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celticlord2112 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 1:38:29 PM)
quote: There may be an incident where she used her power as Governor, to get an ex-brother-in-law fired... (sort of a mini Plamegate) Or she asked why someone who drank on the job and tasered his 10 year-old stepson was still walking around on the state payroll with badge and sidearm.

Aileen1968 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 2:14:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber There may be an incident where she used her power as Governor, to get an ex-brother-in-law fired... (sort of a mini Plamegate) I think she may be the first and only politician who has ever used their power to get someone hired or fired. We are experiencing even more history in the making. [8D]

thornhappy -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 2:23:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Actually Rasmussen just came out with a poll... 53% of voters say they have a favorable opinion of Palin 48% of voters say they have a favorable opinion of Biden That doesn't surprise me; Biden has a lot more material to evaluate; most, from the sound of things, learned who Palin was on Friday. thornhappy

Thadius -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 2:26:08 PM)
The Six things I think the Palin pick says about McCain. 1. He is not afraid to have a strong woman as his running mate. 2. He understands that having a Washington insider on the ticket probably won't lead to any "Change" of the status quo. 3. He is not afraid to think outside the box, and is not constrained by conventional pidgeon holes. 4. He understands that the top of the ticket is where the teacher should be, not the student. 5. He knew how to energize and motivate his base. 6. He continues to show good taste in women. Just some quick thoughts, Thadius

celticlord2112 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 2:29:52 PM)
The most important thing the Palin selection says about McCain: He plays to win.

kittinSol -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 2:51:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 The most important thing the Palin selection says about McCain: He plays to win. Yep. A gamble, just like I said. Fun at the casino; dangerous for the nation.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 2:55:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Yep. A gamble, just like I said. Fun at the casino; dangerous for the nation. Actually, playing it "safe" is by far the more dangerous game. In the casino and in the halls of government.

kittinSol -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 2:57:39 PM)
Sorry, but this is bullshit, and yet again you are arguing for the sake of it. Government requires planning, not hot headed decisions. And that's a fact.

Thadius -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 3:00:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Sorry, but this is bullshit, and yet again you are arguing for the sake of it. Government requires planning, not hot headed decisions. And that's a fact. I guess the question then becomes, what makes Obama more qualified than Palin? I still haven't seen that question answered, I have been asking what qualifications the man has had for the better part of 16 months.[8\|]

kittinSol -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 3:03:02 PM)
You say you like Palin and McCain; others think Biden and Obama are the business. It's all bogus, and many of us realise this, you included. You're defending McCain's choice because, well, what else can you do? Nobody wants to loose face by admitting their own party and figurehead fucked up.

Thadius -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 3:04:45 PM)
I will take that to mean that there is no difference in the qualifications of Palin and Obama?

kittinSol -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 3:12:35 PM)
Take it whichever way you like: these cheap debate tactics are too uninteresting for words [8\|] .

celticlord2112 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 3:13:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Government requires planning, not hot headed decisions. And that's a fact. Damn, kittin, you are correct. Government DOES require planning. Planning is the fine art of identifying risks, choosing which risks are acceptable, and figuring out how to mitigate the risks that are not acceptable. If you can't take risks, you can't plan, you can't decide, you can't lead, and you certainly cannot govern.

Aileen1968 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 3:15:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Take it whichever way you like: these cheap debate tactics are too uninteresting for words [8\|] . But you still didn't answer. [:)]

Thadius -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 3:15:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Take it whichever way you like: these cheap debate tactics are too uninteresting for words [8\|] . Cheap debate tactics? I asked a simple question. It seems some folks don't want to answer that one question, because it might mean that they would have to wake up from the dream. If asking that question about a man that is running for President is considered a cheap debate tactic, then enlighten me as to what is a fair question to ask about Obama.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 3:20:21 PM)
McCain is a gambler. He's not afraid to take risks and swim against the current. That is why independant voters love the guy and why this election is as close as it is. If this was any other Republican, Obama would win a Reagan-like landslide and would be a an embarrassing loss for the GOP. But because McCain is in the race and shows he still has that mavrick streak to take a risk when needed, the independants (the swing voters who will determine this election) are giving him serious consideration. And I think it is funny how some Democrats are totally surprised and shocked he picked Palin and think it was a desperate move. This was planned for weeks. McCain has been setting up the chess board in his favor for the past 3 weeks and the Dems fell in the trap. First he ran ads for weeks targetted specifically to get Hillary Clinton voters to think. The polls started to give McCain the lead in the run up to the DNC Convention. The Democrats then were forced to shift their primary convention strategy from attacking Bush and McCain to doing damage control with women voters. They paraded Hillary around the convention under the disguise of "party unity." Now McCain knocks Obama's speech off the headlines by dropping a bombshell of adding a woman to the ticket. The fact she is socially conservative will make the base happy. And now the GOP will go full assult on Obama and try to get those Clinton voters and independants during their convention. Many Democrats dont see it, and those that do dont want to admit it, but they were outflanked and got beat by strategy pretty bad.

TheHeretic -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 4:17:40 PM)
Lots of hackery and spin, in that link, O59. "Reason #1: He's Desperate." If this is the kind of decision McC might make in a desperate moment, I want him taking the 3:00 am call. (Just for the record, I did predict she would be the one last week. This little trooper mess will vanish quickly if no laws were broken. I like her, "hold me accountable" approach.) Sarah Palin is everything Barack Obama tries and claims to be, except, instead of talking it, she does it. Barack saw a problem he wanted to help solve, and became a community organizer who didn't accomplish very much. Sarah got herself elected to the city council, then as mayor/manager of the community where she saw a problem, and did well enough to get herself appointed up the ladder. Barack rose high enough to encounter the slime layer in politics, and somehow aquired a nicer yard for his ___'s to play in. Sarah brought down the corruption she encountered. Obama's experience? Legislative, and on committees. Palin's? Executive and committee chairs. Obama talks about moving beyond partisanship, Palin brought down members of her own party. Fundamentalist Christian? Yep. Wanna talk about Jeremiah Wright some more? That's why we have a First Amendment and a Supreme Court. Pro-life? That too, but she walks the walk with it, and knew her youngest would be born with Down's Syndrome. Reagan and both Bushes were pro-life too, and, gee, abortion is still legal and safe. Who cares what the environmental extremists think of her? Are they going to vote Republican under any circumstances, anyway? I think she is a good pick strategically, as well, for exactly the reasons we are seeing in these Palin threads. First, the Dems are betraying everything they were saying about the struggle for gender equality a few days ago. "Is she pretty", comes right after '18 million cracks in the glass'???" It's quick enough for even the slower voters to see the hypocrisy. And then there is the trap the Dems are falling right into, attacking her youth and short experience. Hello! Both are smart, passionate, rising stars, but one is running for intern, and one wants to be CEO. Everything they say, will blow right back onto their own ticket. And then there is the aspect that mostly gets talked about after hours, with the batteries pulled out of the cell phone. The rascist vote, and half of them are women. I'm not talking about the KKK, but the honest, hard-working, otherwise pretty decent folk, with a low opinion of black people in general, even if it manifests in handouts and pity. Obama's nomination is creating some conflict there, and a woman on the R ticket might be just the rationalization they need. Let's not forget that the Republicans still get their prime-time speeches. If the cards are played just right, the race could be over next weekend, and Sarah Palin will be elevated to the ultimate school of governance in January. add: One more thing it says about McCain. He can pull off a covert op, while Obama can't. In the sort of war we are in, that's an important thing to know.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 5:45:13 PM)
Very Well put Heretic. The fact is, Barak Obama is not John Kennedy, he's Al Smith. There will be a Black American President this century but that President will not be elected in 2008. Obama paved they way much as Al Smith did in 1928 for Catholics but Obama will lose, just like Smith lost. The numbers just are not there this cycle. In order for Obama to be elected POTUS, he will need a majority of white voters in the United States to vote for him and that is just not going to happen. Hillary Clinton would have probably beaten John McCain probably 51-49 give or take but in this election, race worked against her and for Obama. Obama worked it effectively as well and in a positive way. Obama worked on the hard left and spoke directly to white liberal voters. Those liberal voters made him a viable candidate. As late as March, black voters were still with the Clinton's but faced with a actual, viable candidate of there own, they flocked to him. They were late to the party, but they came on local level and ignoring the black democrat party structure that was still with Hillary. White elected Democrats and many of the so called super delegates, feared losing their needed black vote and the abandoned Clinton or stayed silent. All politics is after all local and while Obama might not win nationally, they would be in trouble locally if their black voting blocks didn't stay in tact. So now the Democrats have an historic candidate, one that make me proud to be an American, even if I cannot in good conscience vote for him but they also have a losing candidate. Oh and to the future... When that Black American one day does get elected President of the United States, it will be a pretty good bet that he or she will be a conservative Republican.

kittinSol -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 5:47:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Take it whichever way you like: these cheap debate tactics are too uninteresting for words [8\|] . But you still didn't answer. [:)] Who are you again [:-]? This'experience' argument has just been turned around for the benefit of the Republican party because they're quaking in their boots over Palin. According to their peculiar brand of logic, they're comparing inexperience to inexperience, so neither Obama nor Palin should be running. It's all bullshit, and I'm certainly not going to argue over this ad infinitum with a guy I find completely disingenuous, at least as far as this election goes. See [:)]?

Thadius -> RE: Six things the Palin pick says about McCain (8/30/2008 5:57:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Take it whichever way you like: these cheap debate tactics are too uninteresting for words [8\|] . But you still didn't answer. [:)] Who are you again [:-]? This'experience' argument has just been turned around for the benefit of the Republican party because they're quaking in their boots over Palin. According to their peculiar brand of logic, they're comparing inexperience to inexperience, so neither Obama nor Palin should be running. It's all bullshit, and I'm certainly not going to argue over this ad infinitum with a guy I find completely disingenuous, at least as far as this election goes. See [:)]? Okay, let's try a different topic. Since I know you are passionate about women being treated with equality. Why is it that Obama is claiming to support equal pay for equal work, yet refuses to do so in his own senate office or on his campaign staff? quote: "While Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has vowed to make pay equity for women a top priority if elected president, an analysis of his Senate staff shows that women are outnumbered and out-paid by men. That is in contrast to Republican presidential candidate John McCain's Senate office, where women, for the most part, out-rank and are paid more than men." "On average, women working in Obama's Senate office were paid at least $6,000 below the average man working for the Illinois senator." CNSNews.com also points out that "of the five people in Obama's Senate office who were paid $100,000 or more on an annual basis, only one -- Obama's administrative manager -- was a woman." In contrast, women outnumbered men on McCain's Senate payroll by 30 to 16. The women were paid an average of $3,000 more than the men. I know, just a gimmick. [;)]

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