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wulfgarw -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 1:21:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach Anything by Wagner, Listz, Tschicovski, or Bach. Most of the earlier Mozart string pieces - at least the movements which are in minor keys. Several Chopin pieces that are done in minor keys. Basically - look for anything written in a minor or with significant use of 7ths. These tends to sound "darker" or more "brooding" to Western trained ears. Forgive my ignorance, but what is a minor key? And is that 7ths as in 7ths of a note? I can't read music and only a base grasp of the basics, but give me the sound and/or light board and associated technical stuff and there I will do well.

Alumbrado -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 1:57:54 PM)
Good question.... been a looong time since I've had to stop and remember what makes things what, instead of just using them... Your basic do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti-do set of notes is a scale that is called 'major'... picking 3 or more notes out of that scale and playing them at once makes a chord of some sort out of that major scale. The 1st(do), 3rd(mi), and 5th(sol) note combination is simply a major chord...adding the 7th note (ti) would make the chord a 7th, which is a pretty standard variation. Our listening reactions are more sensitive to these contrasts than we may be aware of , so little changes create interest, making the music 'move'. If you take the 3rd and lower it's pitch the equivalent of one fret on a guitar, or one piano key, the resultant chord has that 'darker' sound mentioned above. And finally, when someone writes a musical composition, and uses the minor chord as the basic one for the piece, that makes its 'key' a minor key. Just simply lowering the pitch of one of a set of notes that little bit, changes things that dramatically.

uniboyblue -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 2:06:23 PM)
Mahler's 8th comes to mind immediately, but I see it has been mentioned. Called the 'Symphony of a Thousand', there's one verse: "You who do not avert your gaze .. From women who have sinned" Seems appropriate ;-)

seeksfemslave -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 3:40:23 PM)
I lurve clasical music but I wouldnt try to recommend anything. What I will do is offer a big kiss from ugly old me to all those who have posted suggestions. Is the Mahler 8th that has been mentioned at least twice the one that was the soundtrack to the film Death in Venice? I know thats in Csharp minor, beautiful beautiful music. I always characterise it as music to commit suicide by. later: checked it out and what I was referring to was the adagietta from Mahler's 5th symphony. Achingly beautiful music.

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 5:19:37 PM)
Danke, Alumbrado - I've been busy and hadn't logged back in to answer Wulf's question, so I'm quite glad that someone else thought to do so! (Had I been thinking about the "non music" people on the forums, I would have put a bit of explanation of the terms in my original reply.)*

Alumbrado -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 5:26:20 PM)
Or I could have just posted this...[;)] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZOHY7Z5eaQ&feature=related

Jeffff -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 5:27:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach Basically - look for anything written in a minor or with significant use of 7ths.* These tends to sound "darker" or more "brooding" to Western trained ears.* 7ths are used in the blues too....... and a nice.....slow. ......dark ........blues song.......:) BlindLemonJeff Tension.................. and release

Termyn8or -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 8:55:17 PM)
wulf, music can be "transposed". For example, although I have sworn off it I can play Simple Man by Skynerd, I can play it they way the played it, which is in A. I can also play it in E, for which I had to make up a specific B chord. I don't know alot about it but I can give a basic explanation. Someone put up a graphic of what is called a clef. It is a G clef, but there is something that looks like a b right after it so it is not. When it has a simple G clef, the five lines are E, G, B, D, F and the spaces between are F, A, C, E. However when the little b, or a # appears right after the clef it changes what the line or space means. If you have a guitar and can play a basic full E major chord, all it takes to change it to a minor chord is to drop on of the notes of the chord by one half step. This changes the character of the music, the minor chord actually has an emotional effect on some listeners. It sounds jist a bit different, a bit moody for lack of a better word. There are many different clefs and I admit I don't know them all. But I do know what they are. I hope this is a satisfactory answer, it is all I have. Now if you give me an electronic schematic .......... T

NuevaVida -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (8/31/2008 11:05:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave What I will do is offer a big kiss from ugly old me to all those who have posted suggestions. Gladly accepted, Seeks! Good to see you around again. From, your Spike Jones friend, in a different name. [:)]

seeksfemslave -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 1:06:09 AM)
OK NuevaVida luv you madly [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif[/image] I send some shimmering sharps and flats especially for you Just to add I believe NeuvaVida means NewLife so I assume you have made some personal change. I hope it all "works out" On a technical note music in a minor key is not always "moody or dark" As Gershwin said It aint necessarily so. Lots of light fast music is minor. Figure this out , I forget what its called and you will know what I mean. Its by Mozart di dada, di dada di dada di di didi di didi di didi geddit lol I can play it nearly as good as this . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpLpDaw1RKc This is how it should sound. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_s0HCoTYkk Middle bit of Rondo Capriccioso (sp?) by Mendellsohn (sp?) is light airy fast and minor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN5_c4RBTdI clapped out video but believe it or not this is in E minor.

slvchris -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 2:49:10 AM)
For some classical music that isn't scary but moody and more gentle how about: The slow movement from Bach's Double Violin Concerto (sublimely beautiful - ideal for 'coming down') The slow movement from Mozart's Clarinet Concerto (ditto) Ravel 'Pavanne pour une infante defunte' - either the piano or orchestral versions (very beautiful, sad and plaintive) Sibelius 'Swan of Tuonela' (very atmospheric and evocative) By the way, the minor key has the 6th and 7th notes flattened by a semitone, as well as the 3rd. The change from key to key and from major to minor is one of the ways that emotional mode (and momentum even) is developed in music, e.g. the stomach churning feeling you get sometimes when a key changes. There are many other ways of forming a scale from the 12 subdivisions of the octave that we use, it's just that western music has settled on two of these 'modes' - the major and minor scales.

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 6:51:09 AM)
Oddly enough, while I love Listening to classical music - I go to the symphony on a fairly regular basis (where I inevitably get stared at due to all my ink lol) - I hate Performing classical music. It's what I studied. It's what I performed countless times as contest pieces from grade school through my first trip through college. It's what I performed for my college entry Juries, and end of semester Juries as a voice major. I'm good at it. But I detest the vast majority of it as performance pieces! Things like Cleopatra's 6th Aria from Julius Ceasar, Bach's Haleluia (a solo piece that's almost nothing but extended multi-octave reaching runs - not the Handle chorus) and Zerlina's Aria from the end of Don Giovanni are pieces that I spent HOURS working on so I could perform them in front of a panel of music professors ready to tear apart the slightest little hicup or deviation. If I'm going to Have to perform it, I'd much rather do something written in a minor key. They aren't my forte, but I still prefer them. When I sing for FUN - it's Blues, Jazz, 50s & 60s bubblegum rock, and sometimes a bit of classic country.

NuevaVida -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 6:56:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave OK NuevaVida luv you madly [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif[/image] I send some shimmering sharps and flats especially for you Just to add I believe NeuvaVida means NewLife so I assume you have made some personal change. I hope it all "works out" Thanks, Seeks Dear. I happily accept the sharps and flats! Yes, New Life is the translation, things have changed and all is working out well. :) quote: Figure this out , I forget what its called and you will know what I mean. Its by Mozart di dada, di dada di dada di di didi di didi di didi geddit lol I can play it nearly as good as this LOL I actually sat here trying to sound that out and figure out the piece. I failed miserably but my cat stared at me, trying to figure out what I was doing.

seeksfemslave -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 7:11:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave OK NuevaVida luv you madly [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif[/image] Figure this out , I forget what its called and you will know what I mean. Its by Mozart di dada, di dada di dada di di didi di didi di didi geddit lol LOL I actually sat here trying to sound that out and figure out the piece. I failed miserably but my cat stared at me, trying to figure out what I was doing. I bet your cat could sing as well as the violinist on this the first vid I posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpLpDaw1RKc By the way thanks again for intoducing me to YouTube.

NuevaVida -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 7:17:19 AM)
The kitty is pretty bashful, vocally, but that violin caught his attention! I remember when you discovered YouTube; you were up all night, all day, all the next night....heh....are you still at it??? Have you slept? Eaten? Is that where you've been? [:D]

seeksfemslave -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 7:31:58 AM)
Yes I watch YouTube lots.So much there. I carried on my rant against Evolution .lol Havent changed any body yet! I regularly logon to CM but just dont post as much. Cya seeks

windchymes -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 8:13:39 AM)
Not sure if it fits in the topic header, but another gorgeous piece of music, my all-time favorite, is Khatchurian's "Spartacus" ballet. Especially the 2nd movement "Spartacus & Phrygea" (sp?). (It's like Gladiator meets Men In Tights!) It will bring tears to your eyes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn9574q51bY&feature=related Khatchurian isn't so well known, but is my favorite of the Russian composers. His most well-known piece is "Sabre Danse".

hisbabybird -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 8:23:11 AM)
What a wonderful question! I love all the suggestions that were given; I'm going to have to go off in search of all these pieces. If I were to add my two cents in, I'd suggest a couple of choral pieces (or instrumental versions): Rachmaninov's "The Bells" and Faure's "Requiem." Continuing along that line, I'd also suggest some old arias sung by Caruso. Woody Allen used a few of them in his film, "Match Point," which is where I first heard them, but I think they definitely have a very melancholy air to them. Wikipedia linked up free downloads of Caruso's arias here: http://www.archive.org/details/Caruso_part1 A list of the songs used in "Match Point" are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Match_Point

MrRodgers -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 1:58:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wulfgarw I want to find other deep, dark classical pieces that would be useful in either a dark scene or halloween setting. Ones that aren't as recognizable as the aforementioned or Midnight Syndicate. Stuff that invokes mental images of dank dungeons, vampires, dark candlelit bedrooms with heavy velvet and cold winter nights. I'm needing headspace music to listen to while working on various halloween projects and getting bored with Midnight Syndicate and Nox Arcana... This has to rank pretty high in any list: Rachmaninov_ Prelude In C Sharp Dark, mysterious...brooding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wddtne7KSs&feature=related This is Rachmaninov himself so turn up the volume...it is from the 1919.

bipolarber -> RE: Attention classical music lovers! (9/1/2008 4:22:51 PM)
Another thought: since you are looking for "Dark Halloween" type tracks, you might also look for "Art of the Theremin" by Clara Rockmore, (classic favorites played on my favorite insturment... okay, second favorite insturment.. LOL) and "Age of the Harpsichord" which has some really wonderful chamber music on it, all with that lovely 17th century feel to it, which will always be connected with vampires, and Lurch from the Addams Family, at least to me.

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