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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 7:36:53 PM   
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But but but I thought the right wing's cry was that Maher was sooooo liberal? Hard to follow you guys sometimes.
Not when he attacks MSNBC? K, got it now. tks.

Palin is a pathetic attempt to get the chick vote. Maybe some will go for it, who knows. But a hard core Hillary supporter? Fuck that. Bad move on McBush's part.   


Kind of scary that Maher is critical of these guys, ain't it?  If the very liberal Maher makes a statement like that one would think that it has gone well beyond them being considered journalists.  It has nothing to do with whether I agree with him or not... Then again if that is your position, perhaps I was wrong about my defending of kitten earlier?  See where your logic is faulty?

Since you haven't been around, or obviously haven't seen these talking points discussed already.  I will simply ask you, since you have no problem answering questions.  What has Obama done that qualifies him for the position of Commander in Chief?  What makes him more qualified than this woman? 

I look forward to your intelligently presented argument,
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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 7:36:57 PM   
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Not phony, just typical, and certainly not the paragon of political virtue you painted in that glowing review. However, it is not quite cancelling a project, would you deem it that if it were Obama? Nooooo.

You misapprehend my objections to Obama:  I do not object that he might have changed his mind over such a decision; I object that he has never had to make such a decision.


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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 7:42:42 PM   
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Do I have a rebuttle?     Other than the question previously posed....no ,I like the one I posted(after i added an f )Do you work for these people.You practically regurgitated a hi-lite page from her greatest hits,all correctly slanted .Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the comittee to elect John McCain.




It's rebuttal by the way.
I said this in another thread but it fits here as well. Her two years of governing are more than any of the other candidates involved here. Including John McCain. None of the others have run anything.  Interesting how lack of experience now matters to Obama supporters.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 7:47:19 PM   
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Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the comittee to elect John McCain.

I have not done any formal volunteer work for any political candidate.

At the outset of the primaries, my support went to Rudy Giulani, as I have stated many times in these forums.  Giulani lost.  Sucks, but there it is.

With Giulani out of the race, McCain is the next best choice.  He has a record of accomplishments which may be fairly examined, his leadership abilities are proven, and he actually has a plan of what he wants to achieve and how he aims to achieve it.

Yes, John McCain gets my vote this November.  Not my first choice, but the best choice.


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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 7:50:08 PM   
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Thadius I have been a fan of Maher for years, he is actually the only reason I subscribed to HBO, remeber, when he got canned for saying that the terrorists were well..braver than us? He is not a liberal, really. I can play cut and paste all night with that, let me know if I need to.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 7:55:15 PM   
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What makes him more qualified? How about what makes him more palatable to me? She is first of all a frigging Pentacostal, so the whole talking in tongues thing, well, not really a plus. Anti-choice? Nope, can't vote for that either. Oh, she is a member of the GOP. Oh wait, and wants to teach creationsim in school?  

Obama is not my first choice, but he is the only choice now. Besides, let's be real.  How many of us really cross party lines?  At least I admit it. The enly way I would vote for McBush would be if Cheney switched partied and ran for  the dems. 

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 7:58:14 PM   
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Thadius I have been a fan of Maher for years, he is actually the only reason I subscribed to HBO, remeber, when he got canned for saying that the terrorists were well..braver than us? He is not a liberal, really. I can play cut and paste all night with that, let me know if I need to.


I like his humor and his ability to say what he is thinking.  I may not agree with him about some positions, but I have nothing against the man.

You still avoided the question I asked.  I am honestly looking for an answer to that one question, from anybody.  It's not like I am the first person that comes to mind to jump up and down and demanding the fair treatment of women, know where I am coming from on that one?

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:00:42 PM   
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McCain should have picked Condeleeza Rice for his VP.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:00:57 PM   
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What makes him more qualified? How about what makes him more palatable to me? She is first of all a frigging Pentacostal, so the whole talking in tongues thing, well, not really a plus. Anti-choice? Nope, can't vote for that either. Oh, she is a member of the GOP. Oh wait, and wants to teach creationsim in school?  

Obama is not my first choice, but he is the only choice now. Besides, let's be real.  How many of us really cross party lines?  At least I admit it. The enly way I would vote for McBush would be if Cheney switched partied and ran for  the dems. 


That is why she isn't palatable to you.  I don't think we want to talk about religious choices and the churches that candidates attended, do we?

I am all for you voting for him because he isn't Bush or a Republican, have at it.  I am interested in the qualifications, you know the what makes him able to be commander in chief.  Simply put, What has he done?

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:04:40 PM   
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Aynne the Chaney thing was pure genius,Thank you from the bottom of my laughing heart!!!
Masternslave thank you for the spelling help,that will help on the next test!!!

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:10:05 PM   
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You still avoided the question I asked.  I am honestly looking for an answer to that one question, from anybody. 

I don't have a clue what your question is but:

It's not like I am the first person that comes to mind to jump up and down and demanding the fair treatment of women, know where I am coming from on that one?

See? there is room to find commonality and agreement from all the spectrum. I will run VP on that ticket.


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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:11:28 PM   
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Thadius seriously, with the multitude of time you spend online, read his webiste yourself. One major thing he has done is made a far wiser choice in VP selection than McOld and the Beauty Queen.


From Votefromabroad.org.

John McCain fooled everyone and chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) as his running mate. People had talked about her but not many people took her seriously. She comes with an unusual mix of characteristics. First, she's a woman. Second, she's a woman. Third, she's a woman. McCain is betting the farm that the female Democratic PUMA voters who said they would vote for McCain will now really do it. The (unspoken) reasoning, of course, is either McCain is old and has had cancer four times and might die in office, leaving us with a woman President or in 2012 or 2016 she can run for the office on her own. It is likely that the working-class male supporters of Clinton, especially those in the rust belt will think she's a hot chick (she's a former beauty pageant runner-up and fond of motorcycling) but whether they will vote for her is something else again. She is a very devout Christian with five children, the youngest of whom has Down's syndrome. She is very strongly against abortion. This pick allows him to say to the Base: "You had doubts about me. Look who I picked." It will give him enormous credibility with the evangelicals. In that respect it was a brilliant choice. She is a member of the NRA (and likes to eat mooseburgers), which will be popular with gun owners.

However, the conventional wisdom dismissed her for a variety of reasons that are still true. First, some reporter is going to ask him: "Of the hundreds of governors, senators, congressmen, and business leaders available to you, do you really think that a 44-year old person who has two years' experience as governor of a thinly populated state is the best person in the country to be President of the United States after yourself?" After all, she knows nothing of foreign policy and not even that much about domestic policy except that drilling for oil is a good thing.

Second, picking her destroys McCain's strongest argument against Obama: he has no experience. Little as he has (8 years in the Illinois state senate and 3 years in the U.S. Senate) it is more than she has (4 years as mayor of Wasilla, a town then of 5,000 people, and 2 years as governor). How is he going to argue that she is qualified to be President and Obama isn't. He can say experience doesn't matter (and a case can be made that it doesn't) but there goes his whole argument against Obama--lack of experience.

Third, like many Alaska politicians these days, Palin is involved in an ethics scandal. Her sister was married to a state trooper named Mike Wooten. The two of them got divorced and were involved in a bitter child custody battle. Sarah wanted to help her sister so she asked the state commissioner of public safety, Walt Monegan, to fire Wooten. He refused, so she fired him. He protested so loudly that the Republican-controlled state legislature appointed a retired prosecutor, Steve Branchflower, to investigate whether she abused her power as governor. Needless to say, Monegan is about to get a small army of reporters camped on his doorstep. It seems very strange indeed that McCain wants to be associated with someone under investigation for an ethics violation. The Democrats are going to say: "More of the same." Time will tell how this will play out. One can already envision the Vice Presidential TV debate featuring the long-time member and now chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee facing someone has has been governor for 2 years. Romney or Ridge could have held their own against Biden, but Palin is going to have a tough time.

In short, McCain is gambling that Palin's support among conservatives (where he needs help) and disgruntled Clinton supporters will offset voters who don't see her as qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Despite the closeness of the national polls, McCain probably realized that he is behind in the Electoral college and needed something to shake things up. This might just do it.
As I've stated before McCain is a slot player,one that gambles by randomness. Obama is a poker player,one that calculates odds.
Obama made a far better choice in the vp selection.
Ask yourself which vp candidate would be most qualified to assume the presidency?

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:12:27 PM   
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You are most welcome!

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Aynne the Chaney thing was pure genius,Thank you from the bottom of my laughing heart!!!
Masternslave thank you for the spelling help,that will help on the next test!!!


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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:16:32 PM   
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Sure.
Tough decisions?
She resigned a  commission instead of fighting to change it. Then went after some one who could well have been a political rival.

Just how many folks have  the courage of their convictions?. That in and of itself means nothing. Self delusion is too easy.

She has visited Iraq. So  everyone who visits Iraq is qualified? Or just every Governor?

I say this. you say that........ in the end.... neither of us will change or point of view on this

Jeff

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:17:39 PM   
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Pretty much Jeffff.

Knock yourself out CL and Thadius. http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/obamas-senate-accomplishments/

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:20:36 PM   
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OK, how about this as a compromise?

Let's say that Cheney takes her out grouse hunting in Texas, and she shoots him dead in the goddamn face?  Then she would have as much military experience as the current Vice President.  Kinda get the old boots on the ground sort of thing.  And if she actually shows up, she will have more hands-on experience than the current president of the United States.

Everybody ok with that?  Will that resolve the experience issue?

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:22:54 PM   
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Okay, lets say for the sake of discussion that her experience doesn't qualify her for vp. 

What experience does Obama have that qualifies him to be PRESIDENT?

Maybe the highlighting of the question will help me get an answer.

Lets try to get past the Dem vs Rep thing for a moment.  Simply an honest question seeking an honest answer.


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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:23:33 PM   
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...loves it.

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:27:46 PM   
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OK, how about this as a compromise?

Let's say that Cheney takes her out grouse hunting in Texas, and she shoots him dead in the goddamn face?  Then she would have as much military experience as the current Vice President.  Kinda get the old boots on the ground sort of thing.  And if she actually shows up, she will have more hands-on experience than the current president of the United States.

Everybody ok with that?  Will that resolve the experience issue?

Ron 


I can't say too much here....... but I know a guy. who  knows a guy and........Cheney?.... can;t be killed.

Kinda obvious when you think about it..... I wonder what they are gonna do with him come January?

Jeff



and Aynne?... my response was to CL... lol...from the last page.... so I lag a little......

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RE: Palin as Commander in Chief - 8/31/2008 8:28:07 PM   
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OK, how about this as a compromise?

Let's say that Cheney takes her out grouse hunting in Texas, and she shoots him dead in the goddamn face?  Then she would have as much military experience as the current Vice President.  Kinda get the old boots on the ground sort of thing.  And if she actually shows up, she will have more hands-on experience than the current president of the United States.

Everybody ok with that?  Will that resolve the experience issue?

Ron 
You were right a couple of nights ago Ron,I can't touch the quality of your material....you rock!!!!

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