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ExKat -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 4:26:10 PM)

I wish I could remember the link, but there's a website that features women who are legitimately caged for long periods of time. I think one girl was there since the start of the website...some three years. There is no play, no sex, presumably there are showers, but the website features live feed webcams 24/7. This fantasy is more than wank fodder for some.

Although I can understand the motivations and might even enjoy it short-term (provided there was considerably Guard/prisoner interaction), I can't imagine living this on the long-term. What do you tell your parents when you're going to be in BDSM jail for 3 years?!

Mmm...delicious dibs. If there could be dibs there, I'd consider long-term prison play.


~Katie978




kiwisub12 -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 4:27:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Popping bon-bons and watching Dr Phil. 


wow - i would have thought that all they would have in their cages would be stale bread and water, and a small high window for entertainment.

obviously , your  goal is way more high class than mine.




windchymes -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 5:21:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ExKat

I wish I could remember the link, but there's a website that features women who are legitimately caged for long periods of time. I think one girl was there since the start of the website...some three years. There is no play, no sex, presumably there are showers, but the website features live feed webcams 24/7. This fantasy is more than wank fodder for some.

Although I can understand the motivations and might even enjoy it short-term (provided there was considerably Guard/prisoner interaction), I can't imagine living this on the long-term. What do you tell your parents when you're going to be in BDSM jail for 3 years?!

Mmm...delicious dibs. If there could be dibs there, I'd consider long-term prison play.


~Katie978


Do you think that what is shown across that reliable internet is honestly 100% live feed, 24/7/365, and there's no way they could have a tape "looped" ?   (I forget the actual terminology.....like they did in the movie "Speed" to get the people off the bus Sandra Bullock was driving.) 




Lynnxz -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 5:28:51 PM)



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ORIGINAL: windchymes

quote:

ORIGINAL: ExKat

I wish I could remember the link, but there's a website that features women who are legitimately caged for long periods of time. I think one girl was there since the start of the website...some three years. There is no play, no sex, presumably there are showers, but the website features live feed webcams 24/7. This fantasy is more than wank fodder for some.

Although I can understand the motivations and might even enjoy it short-term (provided there was considerably Guard/prisoner interaction), I can't imagine living this on the long-term. What do you tell your parents when you're going to be in BDSM jail for 3 years?!

Mmm...delicious dibs. If there could be dibs there, I'd consider long-term prison play.


~Katie978


Do you think that what is shown across that reliable internet is honestly 100% live feed, 24/7/365, and there's no way they could have a tape "looped" ?   (I forget the actual terminology.....like they did in the movie "Speed" to get the people off the bus Sandra Bullock was driving.) 


Are you talking about the old Insex movies? They were 24 hr live feeds, but I don't think anyone was in a cage for 3 years straight.  The girls were paid by the hour, but the rate increased exponentially by every hour they were in there. O.o

Then the laws got crazy, and they had to quit doing that.




twilightblue -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 8:07:22 PM)

While clearly being caged 24/7 is more of an escapist fantasy. I actually find the idea of being restrained 24/7 very exciting. Though my idea is a lot less about lying around all day. Partly I think because that would be so boring as to be detrimental to my health, but also because to be a slave (which I'm not at all sure I want to be, but I fantasize about it) is to serve. The idea came to me a while back that it would be a lot more beneficial to be leashed with no possibility of escape, but able to move around to do chores and such. The best example I can come up with is something like what they did in the move 9 to 5 to the boss. So I'd be say, locked up all day in the kitchen to clean it spotless and have a meal ready when Mistress gets home. Then put in the cage at night when she's done with me. Still really impractical I'm sure, but at least including some idea of service.




Padriag -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 8:44:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

With all this said, how many people find this to be the case more times then not.  That an S-type with a desire to become a captive prisoner has a deep desire to literally live out life in a manner that is a form of real punishment for them?  Also, what are some of the other common motivations behind somebody wishing or wanting to become another persons literal prisoner?

Motivations... two most common I've observed are escapism and guilt.  Either they want to escape from a world they either don't want to deal with or don't feel they can deal with, and/or they have feelings of guilt regarding something for which they feel they need to be punished.  This isn't simple guilt, its a deep rooted guilt that doesn't easily go away, being punished only gives them a temporary release before the guilt re-asserts itself and they again feel the need to be further punished.  In some cases they're trying to escape from the world for specific reasons, for example their attempts at leading a "normal" life may have resulted in painful experiences they now are willing to go to extreme lengths to avoid.  Or, it may be they lack any confidence or faith in their own ability to cope with the "outside world", perhaps they grew up too sheltered, and so they resort to such extreme lengths to avoid it.

I have learned to just avoid those who harbor these fantasies.  Having a chick caged in your basement isn't nearly the great fun it might first appear to be.  I mean sure, its all chuckles and laughs showing her off to your pals an such... but then you discover she won't leave that cage an you have to feed her, clean up after her, deal with her emotional outbursts, etc.... an she's probably not capable of giving much back.  Pretty soon you'd like to just be rid of her... but she won't leave... and you aren't entirely sure how the cops would react to you trying to evict a chick who lives in the cage in your basement... I mean... what exactly does the law say about that?  So there you are, stuck with a free loading emotionally unavailable chick living in the cage in your basement... whom your friends have all seen an its no longer cool... just annoying... an now you resent the hell out of each other.

Take my advice, just don't.  But if ya gotta... I got this chick in my basement who needs a new basement to live in....  help a guy out... please... [:D]




marieToo -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/1/2008 8:52:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Fantasy?

I'd be really surprised if any of them actually followed through into real life.  Even more surprised if they were all females doing more than writing out fantasies and wank fodder.


This is what I'm thinking as well.  

From the other side, I've also encountered Doms who had a prisoner fantasy.  "You will be kept in the basement, caged, and you will be fed once a day, yada yada yada".
 




PainCompliant -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 10:45:42 AM)

For a long time captivity (NOT prisoner/guard roleplay) was , and maybe still is, my primary interest in the BDSM world.  I have spent many a three or four day weekend confined.  The longest I have been held, so far, is eight days.  It was one of the toughest experiences of my life, mostly because of the tedium, but it was also one of the more meaningful.  E-mail me I will be glad to share my diary of that experience - it was originally published in Dungeonmaster, about fifteen years ago. 

It has been my experience that many people, especially masters or captors or whatever do not understand or seek such an activity.  That is cool until they start to put down or discredit what they do not understand. 

Here is the what and why of what I seek and what I get from captivity.

1.  Reality.  I suck at role play.  I don't believe the level of control I seek and need can come when I have choices, when it depends on my continuing cooperation and acceptance.  Being anchored by a shackle or collar on a chain removes all options.  Being locked in a cell or room removes all options.  I have given someone total control over me and, unless I can talk him out of it, there is nothing I can do about it.

2.  Intensity.  I quickly become totally dependent on my captor - not only for sustinance but for attention and human contact.  With every day that dependence grows.  He determines my sense of time, my comfort level, my diet, my cleanliness, my degree and quality of sleep.  Everything.  If the person is skilled and has the inner strength it takes, this process will break me to instant obedience.  There is one case where, after a period of four days confinement, I met that person in a social situation a few months later.  The intimidation and sense of his control immediately returned.  He owned me.

3.  The boredom changes me.  I am the sort of person that needs constant input - noise, conversation, visual stimuli.  I have to learn to deal with the tedium.  After a few hours I am having a hard time handling it.  After a couple of days I want to stop, need to stop.  When my captor hangs tough, the captivity becomes real and I have to adapt or go crazy.

4.  The sound of approaching footsteps.  They offer a break to the loneliness and tedium.  I don't know whether they bring sustinance or pain.  But either way I welcome them because they bring human contact.  If it is pain, I will not enjoy it.  I will suffer.  I will want it to stop.  I will be greatful when it ends.  But the next time I hear those footsteps, I again don't care why they approach.

5.  No options.  So far I have been lucky.  I have not been confined in a house that burns down on a regular or even a non-regular basis.  If a guy's house burns down every few weeks I want to know and will probably pass on letting him confine me.  At the same time, I don't want a safe out - a key I can reach, a phone I can use.  It immediately gives control back to me.  If that happens, what is the point?  Nor do I want a captor  I can convince to free me just because I want out.  This is also a battle of wills - one that I will probably seriously try to win because I am bored and lonely, but don't want to win.  When I start this sort of thing, I cede my captor total control.  From then on, I try to regain as much control as I can.  I validate his control when I can not win back some of his control over me.

6.  The challenge.  One time I was chained in a basement.  The keys to the locks were well out of my reach, hanging on a far wall.  However my captor had been careless.  There were some spreader polls and scraps of previously used duct tape scraps.  I managed to tape together a pole long enough to retrieve the keys.  I escaped, got in my car and headed home.  I've escaped a few times.  That is part of the reality.  As much as I seek confinement, I did not like it while it was happening.  If I can get free, I do.  I am disappointed when I can escape.  But the only way I can prove to myself that the control is real, is to test it, to challenge it, and lose.

7.  The Captor.  Not everyone is suited for this sort of thing.  Probably most are not.  If he thinks of himself as serving me, as waiting on me hand and foot, it is not going to work.  If he is not willing to accept the minimal risk of leaving me confined when he goes to work or leaves for other reasons, it is not going to work.  If he worries that I will later turn him in to law enforcement for keeping me a prisoner against my will, it is not going to work.  If he believes that the 3' x 4' dog cages are practical for a multi-day period of confinement, it is not going to work.  The captor has to be driven to have real and total control and power over another human being.  If not, this is not for him.

8.  Time Span.  I would like to arrive at a 24/7 TPE, but am not sure my life will permit that.  It will take a lot of creativity to make it happen for real.  Until then, this approach permits periods of intense and real total control that can be worked into the rest of my repsonsibilities.  I will emerge broken by another man.  Depending on that man, his power over me will be deeply etched into my psyche.  In a way, his power and control will always be with me - buried, but if our paths again cross, immediately brought to the surface.




justgemmie -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 11:55:03 AM)

greetings PainComplaint ~~

when i first read this thread, and the responses to it, i was like "shrugs, ah well, to each his own, not interested, don't really care, yada yada"  but i like the OP so wanted to read what He wrote.

your post, however.  Wow.  although this is not something i think i would like to do, i did wish to thank you for sharing your thoughts and insights.  it has given me a much better understanding of why someone might like being a "prisoner," and i also wanted to thank you for sharing so well such an intimate part of your life.

gemmie




variation30 -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 12:30:31 PM)

Hm.

This guy who comes and sprays for bugs would have a story to tell at the office.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 4:49:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: asubmissiveheart

well - that took care of 10 minutes - what the heck would slave do for the next 23 hours and 50 minutes?


Ideally, sobbing, struggling, and thrashing in a blind panic.




SirLordspet -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 6:55:21 PM)

i have to agree.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 7:39:48 PM)

Hey, it's a fun aesthetic. :)




Lordandmaster -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 7:46:09 PM)

One thing you have to remember--and I'm afraid this will dampen your fantasy a bit--is that women who are REALLY imprisoned like that over a long period of time become physically repulsive very quickly.  They age artificially because they inevitably become malnourished.




Ialdabaoth -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 7:47:54 PM)

Actually, not necessarily! Depending on the age you start at, you can delay the aging process through proper malnourishment. You have to pay very, very close attention to what you're doing - it's the sort of thing you'd need to consult a doctor for, if that weren't absurdly impractical given the nature of the goal. But it can be done right - it's just an engineering problem, after all.




hardbodysub -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (9/5/2008 8:08:18 PM)

PainCompliant and Wheldrake, excellent answers. You explained very well the feelings that make this type of situation exciting.

Many of the other responses were somewhat amusing. People who don't understand try to ascribe motivations to those who do, and they're almost always way off target.




edgepassion -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (10/24/2008 3:02:27 AM)

Ran across an account of an "Incarceration Session" on Informed Consent and thought I'd share the link for those of you who are interested in that kind of "play".

Both the "Jailer" and her "prisoner" are extremely bright, and I found both of their accounts to be enlightening, sexy, touching, romantic even - seems it was the catalyst for their marriage.

http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/weblogs/Red_Spark/




stripmymanhood -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (10/25/2008 4:46:13 AM)

i must say this is an interesting thread...a few years back, i thought i was about to go into long term (anywhere from 2-6 months) incarceration at the hands of a Mistress with the intention of her creating a human who was only about being her slave, trained to her specifications...i was ready to do this...knowing i'd go in one person and likely leave another...it's hard to gauge how serious she was about it, as it wound up not happening...she had outside life problems creep up...and once it was stopped once, i didn't feel it would be safe to do this, as if she lost interest once, what would happen if she lost interest when i was 'inside the box'.

i do understand what the Dom(me)s are saying...it's kind of like having a human goldfish...and of course...making arrangements for disposal of excretions would become an issue, or at least it could...depending on the setup...and it would be quite a bit of responsibility to take on...but i'd also imagine it might be very rewarding for someone to create their own slave from head to toe.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (10/25/2008 9:40:32 AM)

I would think the interest in being a prisoner isn't much different than those who want to be used as objects, a much more common kink.  Frankly, the desire to be an animal is probably another fairly close mental space.  To be freed from the responsibilities we face.




antipode -> RE: Prisoner Slave submissives (10/25/2008 11:28:03 AM)

I agree with others - wankfodder. I've been interested in the "prisoner" thing ever since I read about it in a German sub's profile elsewhere, but those few I have actually talked to were all just cyberfreaks. Other than that, I think the desire is an extension of sensory deprivation and bondage, and I know from experience the sensory deprivation sub exists, so one would assume the prisoner thing does to. But giving up one's everyday life for three months captivity - the girl/boj would give up her apartment, phone, paying bills, anything that needs regular attention/doing, stash her belongings, etc. And then what afterwards? Quite elaborate - 24/7 and moving in with the dom is easier.




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