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The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 2:20:15 PM

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Ok, if you can't beat them, join them, yet another political thread, but from the viewpoint of us over the pond.

Just listening to BBC1 news here, and there is yet more on Obama, but Mc Cain only briefly mentioned. Now I can't help thinking that either Obama is more popular and therefore more newsworthy, or is it the BBC is again influencing through it's own politics.

From what I hear over here, Obama is known by everyone, and everyone expects he to be in the big chair come November, not many have even heard of Mc Cain.

What do others think here in the sceptred Isle ? Do you see political bias ?

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 3:03:07 PM

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Up until last week, I would have assumed it was political bias. Since Palin, I can see that it's not so much bias, but that McCain just isn't newsworthy enough. He is politically dull. Obama was more 'intersting' as was Clinton. Now, it's all Palin.

McCain is just potatoes. UK media like meat with it's veg.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 3:10:19 PM

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 3:18:23 PM

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McCain is just potatoes.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 3:29:56 PM

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I agree with the.dark. here. Policies aside, Obama is charasmatic, lively, polysyllabic and has that watchable quality that is essential for any politician who wants to really connect with the electorate. McCain, however, is just dull. His eyes are as dead as a sharks, and the way he stands applauding at everything Pitbull Palin does makes him look like some medicated Care Bear. When he speaks his delivery is monosyllabic and enough to put even the most chronic insomniac to sleep.

As for bias, I think that while the BBC is far from being free from bias, it has to follow what makes an interesting story, and McCain's snorefest about his war hero status (this from the man who is on record as saying that he thinks they should have bombed more civilians in the Vietnam war to ensure victory - encouraging for the Iraq situation) is just boring compared to Obama's energy. It doesn't matter what either of them are saying, it's how they say it that makes the news these days.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 3:39:14 PM

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This is Darcy

I agree with the.dark. here. Policies aside, Obama is charasmatic, lively, polysyllabic and has that watchable quality that is essential for any politician who wants to really connect with the electorate. McCain, however, is just dull. His eyes are as dead as a sharks, and the way he stands applauding at everything Pitbull Palin does makes him look like some medicated Care Bear. When he speaks his delivery is monosyllabic and enough to put even the most chronic insomniac to sleep.

As for bias, I think that while the BBC is far from being free from bias, it has to follow what makes an interesting story, and McCain's snorefest about his war hero status (this from the man who is on record as saying that he thinks they should have bombed more civilians in the Vietnam war to ensure victory - encouraging for the Iraq situation) is just boring compared to Obama's energy. It doesn't matter what either of them are saying, it's how they say it that makes the news these days.

Oooo, Darcy and how are you doing these days, well I hope ?

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 3:44:20 PM

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It is people like McCain that hang it out and do what most of you will not. They ensure that you can sit around sipping your latte and thumbing your nose.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 3:56:14 PM

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David Axelrod, Senator Obama's chief political strategist said, "we've heard again and again that John McCain was a prisoner of war, for which we all honour him and respect him. But heck, we knew that before the convention."

Yeah, I'm a Obama supporter.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 4:13:39 PM

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As I said earlier, those of us over the pond from what we are being fed, it is Obama that is going to win.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/5/2008 4:34:26 PM

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As I've said before news organisations always reflect the thinking of their readers... Europe wants Obama so their services lean that way.

But don't be so sure of that outcome.... Americans are finicky

Butch

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 3:38:05 AM

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It is people like McCain that hang it out and do what most of you will not. They ensure that you can sit around sipping your latte and thumbing your nose.

My question is why people have to get so nasty and defensive. So tell me - why do you feel a need to be so nasty and personal when a simple question is asked?

In the UK, few people have heard of McCain or are even aware of his policies, particularly if they aren't followers of politics externally. Therefore, the media is the main source of information. Fact remains that McCain has little charisma. He may make an awesome president, who knows? But when you are running for office, if you want to be heard, personality is everything in a media lead 'world'.

End of the day, the president is nothing more than a puppet front man for more people behind the scenes. Yes he does make decisions but they aren't his alone. Now Obamas 'charisma' might make him end tit's up at the end of the day - again we just do not know. But from a 'newsworthy' POV - it's not about the party, it's about the personality and the gossip.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 3:42:54 AM

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As I've said before news organisations always reflect the thinking of their readers... Europe wants Obama so their services lean that way.

But don't be so sure of that outcome.... Americans are finicky

Butch

I wouldn't be so sure about europeans wanting Obama in. I don't believe that they think he is capable of maintaining stability in external matters. With McCain, I believe people feel he would have more idea military wise and with trade. But Obama gives the impression of being able to broaden the minds internally of the US, that his diplomacy would be a more attractive prospect. But at the same time, they understand that sometimes you have to take the hardline, and McCain offers that.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 3:47:48 AM

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This is Darcy

I agree with the.dark. here. Policies aside, Obama is charasmatic, lively, polysyllabic and has that watchable quality that is essential for any politician who wants to really connect with the electorate. McCain, however, is just dull. His eyes are as dead as a sharks, and the way he stands applauding at everything Pitbull Palin does makes him look like some medicated Care Bear. When he speaks his delivery is monosyllabic and enough to put even the most chronic insomniac to sleep.

As for bias, I think that while the BBC is far from being free from bias, it has to follow what makes an interesting story, and McCain's snorefest about his war hero status (this from the man who is on record as saying that he thinks they should have bombed more civilians in the Vietnam war to ensure victory - encouraging for the Iraq situation) is just boring compared to Obama's energy. It doesn't matter what either of them are saying, it's how they say it that makes the news these days.

Oooo, Darcy and how are you doing these days, well I hope ?

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Yes, very well, thank you Aneirin. I thought it was about time I crawled out from under my rock to toss a few political hand grenades.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 6:48:35 AM

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As I've said before news organisations always reflect the thinking of their readers... Europe wants Obama so their services lean that way.

But don't be so sure of that outcome.... Americans are finicky

Butch

I wouldn't be so sure about europeans wanting Obama in. I don't believe that they think he is capable of maintaining stability in external matters. With McCain, I believe people feel he would have more idea military wise and with trade. But Obama gives the impression of being able to broaden the minds internally of the US, that his diplomacy would be a more attractive prospect. But at the same time, they understand that sometimes you have to take the hardline, and McCain offers that.

the.dark.

You have described one of the cornerstones of the debate in America quite well...But besides your fair mindedness wouldn't you say that in general the British people and Europe are fed up with the Bush type of governing? And because of this Obama is greatly favored over McCain.

It certainly is not an advantage for any one candidate to have the support of Europe that’s for sure. Americans are not happy with the backstabbing they have been receiving. Now don't get ME wrong...I'm not saying it is true...BUT it certainly is correct to say that IS the perception here in the US.

Butch.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 7:00:18 AM

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Could it be that in spite of McCain's recent efforts to reposition himself as a maverick, that the non-US press sees little difference between him and Bush, and they are so sick of Bush they have little interest in anything McCain has to say?

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 7:02:53 AM

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You have described one of the cornerstones of the debate in America quite well...But besides your fair mindedness wouldn't you say that in general the British people and Europe are fed up with the Bush type of governing? And because of this Obama is greatly favored over McCain.

It certainly is not an advantage for any one candidate to have the support of Europe that’s for sure. Americans are not happy with the backstabbing they have been receiving. Now don't get ME wrong...I'm not saying it is true...BUT it certainly is correct to say that IS the perception here in the US.

Butch.

Hi Butch

Yes, I believe there is something to be said about people fed up with the Bush admin in Europe, therefore a certain preference for Obama - but that has a lot to do with the very conservative methods in home affairs that republicans adhere to because europeans have kind of been there done that - like the abortion debate, homesexual debates etc. But I don't believe they 'trust' Obamas follow through in a crisis - does that make sense?

I get that the states might kick back as you suggest with the whole 'rest of the world against us' feeling and bring in McCain. But that would be foolish, they have to vote in what is right for the development of their country, not because it might piss off a certain nation or to say screw you to the rest of the world in either case. Although of course, I would not blame them with the flack the US comes in for a lot of the time.

the.dark.

edit to add - when I mean foolish I mean the reason, not whether its McCain or Obama.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 7:18:08 AM

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Darcy I an surprised that you believe, alone with the rest of Europe, that Bush's hard-line policies were necessary or correct. Many people mistake me for a liberal and an anti-war advocate...it is the wrong assumption. I believe war must be fought all out and won...or not fought at all. Bush's policies only killed 4,000 US troops and settled nothing.

I think McCain may be following Bush's lead in this manner. Surprisingly over the wars and years it is often the Democrats that end a war properly.

But please excuse me I am turning away from the direction of the thread.

Butch

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 7:30:45 AM

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Ok, if you can't beat them, join them, yet another political thread, but from the viewpoint of us over the pond.

Just listening to BBC1 news here, and there is yet more on Obama, but Mc Cain only briefly mentioned. Now I can't help thinking that either Obama is more popular and therefore more newsworthy, or is it the BBC is again influencing through it's own politics.

From what I hear over here, Obama is known by everyone, and everyone expects he to be in the big chair come November, not many have even heard of Mc Cain.

What do others think here in the sceptred Isle ? Do you see political bias ?

Yep! Just like on this side of the pond, Obama has captured the imagination of the liberal media types on the tabloids like the New York Times (Yes, its a tabloid) networks, MSNBC and CNN. The commerical networks here are more interested in the STORYand its attraction of viewers in between commercials than the health and future of the country. Shame on them!
They are trying to pick the President and are losing their audience, and their business, by the way. The Times
on it's present course of being spokesmedia for the DNC will probably be bankrupt down the road. Air America
failed due to lack of audience and the Times and other lib media are seeing the same contraction in revenue while
conservative talk radio prospers. Clearly people like the message and entertainment of Rush, Sean, Levin
Hewitt, and others on domestic talk. I would bet that Keith's contract will not be renewed and that Chris Matthews will wind up at Betty Ford...the poor guy is beside himself and lost for words with the selection of Sarah
Palin who has changed the formula. Although I disagree with Chris Matthews, he is a good guy and needs a rest.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 7:32:40 AM

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Darcy I an surprised that you believe, alone with the rest of Europe, that Bush's hard-line policies were necessary or correct. Many people mistake me for a liberal and an anti-war advocate...it is the wrong assumption. I believe war must be fought all out and won...or not fought at all. Bush's policies only killed 4,000 US troops and settled nothing.

I think McCain may be following Bush's lead in this manner. Surprisingly over the wars and years it is often the Democrats that end a war properly.

But please excuse me I am turning away from the direction of the thread.

Butch

That isn't what I think nor say. I don't believe Bush was right on the Iraq war. I don't believe the interests in Afghanistan are completely above board. I also question his inteference with Georgia. But I do believe that people see Bush and McCain as people capable for war - if it was needed. Whereas I don't believe Europe sees Obama in the same light - It's not about the fairness, but the capability. Is that clearer? I believe Obama knows this - otherwise he would not of joined with Biden. However, I don't believe Europeans see Biden as enough though.

the.dark.

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RE: The BBC's reporting of the presidential campaign - 9/6/2008 7:40:57 AM

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Arguably, the GOP stole the attention back to themselves in the past week

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