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Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 10:44:00 AM   
zakkan


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Status: offline 		In my region, there are quite a few doms with profiles stating things like "you need to know how to cook!" or "you need to be a qualified accountant!".

Do doms everywhere look for such skills in subs? What are some of the skills you require your sub to have?


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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 10:52:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I actually have some pretty stringent skill requirements in subs I'm looking for right now, but I'm more than willing to train those skills myself.

Primary among these are gymnastic/contortion skills. I need someone who can do a good backbend, needle, and eventually a triple-fold. I need someone that can go en pointe in ballet heeled boots for hours at a time. I need someone who can stay balanced and poised in ballet boots, an armbinder, a corset and a posture collar.

I'm more than willing to spend about a year to train these skills, but the basics of poise, balance and flexibility are going to need to be there from the beginning.

Of course, for just a casual play-partner, I'm not looking for quite so much with bottoms - but it would still be nice. ;)

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 11:20:44 AM   
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In my region, there are quite a few doms with profiles stating things like "you need to know how to cook!" or "you need to be a qualified accountant!".

Do doms everywhere look for such skills in subs? What are some of the skills you require your sub to have?



We do have some skills that we would like to have someone capable of managing, however, we don't demand every skill from every servant. For a prospective servant looking at our household, there are typically two questions we ask. The first is "What does 'service' to myself and/or my Darling look like in your mind?" This helps us to ascertain whether they have any skills that might be particularly beneficial to our Household. The second question we ask is "What would you like to get out of this relationship?" or, depending on the person, I might ask "What are the expectations you have from me/us out of this relationship?" Either of those tend to lay out what a servant's expectations are, so that we can decide whether those expectations are ones that we can meet.

One thing that is very challenging to us, and which has become enough of a pet peeve that we actually include a -practical- in the interview process for these gentlemen, is the prospective servant who indicates that he would like to clean or launder for us -- and we discover that he has no clue about how to clean and no idea how to do a woman's laundry, much less a female scientist's laundry (yes, that is a special category). If someone is going to advertise as a housekeeper, it makes sense that he can keep house, yes?

One other thing that is more important for -my- servants than my Darlings is the capacity to sit still while I am piercing, branding, cutting, etc... I may eventually be comfortable working on 'wrigglers', but in general, I prefer someone who can hold still while I work. (I could also bind them so they couldn't move -- but I get a kick out of the self-restraining servant... it's part of the rush for me.

That being said, not every servant who comes to us is going to be a skilled housekeeper, cook, be available to meet our schedule all the time, or be into my blood-sports... so how they serve us becomes very individualized. (We do require, though, that they be poly-flexible, and capable of functioning in a well-established hierarchy).

Firestorm

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 11:47:39 AM   
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Do doms everywhere look for such skills in subs? What are some of the skills you require your sub to have

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 2:08:59 PM   
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What are some of the skills you require your sub to have?

Master desired/required that one becoming His property have a sharp mind, lots of common sense, a good sense of self, be an open-minded free-thinker and just basically be able to engage in intelligent conversations and be willing to explore new things.  He found all that in me.  You may say those aren't "skills" per se but I'd say if they aren't, why do so many not exhibit said attributes?  All "skills" don't necessarily involve being able to "do" or "make" something................luci

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 2:14:56 PM   
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Do doms everywhere look for such skills in subs? What are some of the skills you require your sub to have

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Nah, MOST look for the ability to give a great blow job!  Honesty comes next!

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 5:17:54 PM   
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In my region, there are quite a few doms with profiles stating things like "you need to know how to cook!" or "you need to be a qualified accountant!".
Do doms everywhere look for such skills in subs? What are some of the skills you require your sub to have?



Skill requirements I don't need.
But to speak your mind about what you want is  IMHO the best thing to want.
There are far to many subs who want you to figure it all out for them and that's simply ridiculous.

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 7:03:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		When Master trains slaves for other masters, the first 3/4 or so of the training is based on skills that almost all masters want... obedience, sexual skills, house keeping, speech protocols, and all that kind of stuff. But that last part of the training is customized for the needs of masters who want their slave to have some specific skill. It could involve sending the slave to cooking school or massage school if that was something he wanted, or well whatever particular skill(s) he needed. So, yes if a slave is going to serve a master, she needs to be able to do what is required by him. It is up to him to determine what his needs are, so yes, many doms require skills, though many are willing to teach you them if you do not already have them.

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 7:54:20 PM   
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Do doms everywhere look for such skills in subs? What are some of the skills you require your sub to have

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 8:01:05 PM   
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I actually have some pretty stringent skill requirements in subs I'm looking for right now, but I'm more than willing to train those skills myself.

Primary among these are gymnastic/contortion skills. I need someone who can do a good backbend, needle, and eventually a triple-fold. I need someone that can go en pointe in ballet heeled boots for hours at a time. I need someone who can stay balanced and poised in ballet boots, an armbinder, a corset and a posture collar.

I'm more than willing to spend about a year to train these skills, but the basics of poise, balance and flexibility are going to need to be there from the beginning.

Of course, for just a casual play-partner, I'm not looking for quite so much with bottoms - but it would still be nice. ;)


en pointe in ballet heeled boots for hours at a time!

backs away very slowly---> then runs!

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/7/2008 11:43:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's actually not that hard - if you treat it as an engineering problem. I've had success with training two different girls to do this, in fact - and neither of them was in any way permanently damaged.

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 2:35:59 AM   
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Do as you're told.

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 3:32:17 AM   
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In my region, there are quite a few doms with profiles stating things like "you need to know how to cook!" or "you need to be a qualified accountant!".
Do doms everywhere look for such skills in subs? What are some of the skills you require your sub to have?



Skill requirements I don't need.
But to speak your mind about what you want is  IMHO the best thing to want.
There are far to many subs who want you to figure it all out for them and that's simply ridiculous.

M




Comeon now...wouldnt wanna be accused of TFTB now would we?? Hehe...nope, communication is key to a great relationship of any sort.

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 3:44:08 AM   
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It's actually not that hard - if you treat it as an engineering problem. I've had success with training two different girls to do this, in fact - and neither of them was in any way permanently damaged.

I would love to pull your ear on the other side about ballet boot training if you have time.

as for the Op,
Master dident want me to have any particular skills, but he adores the fact I made and am making a point to learn new things to make his life less stressfull. and currently that learning is going into website building....

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 4:35:01 AM   
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I've had success with training two different girls to do this, in fact - and neither of them was in any way permanently damaged.


No offense Sir, but this girl is a professional ballet dancer and has had training for this skill for 32 years and even she would be hard pressed to spend that amount of time actually en pointe. As for the untrained body....well it takes years of training to build up the muscles and sufficient strength to hold ones body en pointe because for one thing one has to actually pull one's body up and out of the shoe. Having trained many dancers, there is a very specific way to train this and it should only be taught by professionals. Yes, damage can occur which may not be apparent at first- in the way of joint problems...things like knees, hips and especially toe joints. Bunions, tendonitis, bursitis, stress fractures...all are things that even trained dancers occasionally experience... those who are untrained (meaning 10 years of training in a professional school) are even more prone.... and some bodies are not suited to it all no matter how much training they receive simply because of the way they are built (some have tendons that are too short, foot shapes that are incompatible etc.) Sorry to go on, however this girl has read and respected what you have had to say in many of the posts she has read by you thus far, and she feels that you are the sort of dominant who would want to be aware of the dangers. Having said all that, a short while in ballet boots may be ok... just wouldn't recommend a long time.

Hope you are not displeased by this girl's post, but she just had to put on her professional hat for a moment (or shoe, lol)

Regards,

anna

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 10:07:54 AM   
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Having trained many dancers, there is a very specific way to train this and it should only be taught by professionals. Yes, damage can occur which may not be apparent at first- in the way of joint problems...things like knees, hips and especially toe joints. Bunions, tendonitis, bursitis, stress fractures...all are things that even trained dancers occasionally experience... those who are untrained (meaning 10 years of training in a professional school) are even more prone.... and some bodies are not suited to it all no matter how much training they receive simply because of the way they are built (some have tendons that are too short, foot shapes that are incompatible etc.)


This is all very important information. I've done a bit of research on my own, but I'm of course in no way certain that I know everything I need to.

Here's been my strategy (and rationalizations) so far; any criticism would be very, very appreciated:

1. I reinforce the heels of the ballet boots. The difference between being truly "en pointe" in ballet shoes and being "en pointe" in a ballet-heeled boot is, of course, the heel - in ballet, you have to support all that weight yourself, with the tendons of your instep/hamstring/etc. With the boot, the boot's ankle itself should be doing much of the work that the dancer's hamstring would normally be forced to do, and the heel should be supporting at LEAST two-thirds of the weight. Likewise, with the boot more padding is always better - a true ballet dancer always needs to "feel the floor", but for ballet boots that's nearly irrelevant. So while there are a lot of superficial similarities, theer's actually quite a bit going on in real ballet that isn't happening in ballet boots, when it comes to force vectors. Am I making sense? More importantly, am I ignoring anything vitally important?

I spend a lot of time engineering the boots to the girl - measuring exactly how much weight is on the heel vs. the toe, adding toe padding

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 10:14:10 AM   
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More importantly, am I ignoring anything vitally important?


Yes.
The ever so important (tongue in cheek) not asking your girl to do anything you wouldnt be prepared to do.
 
Lets see you .........
stay balanced and poised in ballet boots, an armbinder, a corset and a posture collar.


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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 10:22:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heh. ;) Actually, I HAVE gone en pointe before, and done a lot of flexibility/balance/endurance tests on my own body before even asking my girls to do it - if you're going to push someone else past their soft physical limits, it's important to know what the difference between a soft limit and a hard limit feels like. It also helps to be able to pay attention to what muscles *I* use, and then describe it to the girl.

And as far as "let's see you"... I must respectfully decline your invitation. Although you MAY see me parading about in white pony-boots, a white corset, a white cape and a white leather mask sometimes, if I ever get back into stage performances.

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 10:33:39 AM   
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Although you MAY see me parading about in white pony-boots, a white corset, a white cape and a white leather mask sometimes, if I ever get back into stage performances.


 Ill pass on that thanks

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RE: Skill requirements - 9/8/2008 11:16:06 AM   
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1. I reinforce the heels of the ballet boots. The difference between being truly "en pointe" in ballet shoes and being "en pointe" in a ballet-heeled boot is, of course, the heel - in ballet, you have to support all that weight yourself, with the tendons of your instep/hamstring/etc. With the boot, the boot's ankle itself should be doing much of the work that the dancer's hamstring would normally be forced to do, and the heel should be supporting at LEAST two-thirds of the weight. Likewise, with the boot more padding is always better - a true ballet dancer always needs to "feel the floor", but for ballet boots that's nearly irrelevant. So while there are a lot of superficial similarities, theer's actually quite a bit going on in real ballet that isn't happening in ballet boots, when it comes to force vectors. Am I making sense? More importantly, am I ignoring anything vitally important?


Hello Sir, well, that is true you do have the heel to help support... not sure how this feels in practice, as this girl only knows how pointe shoes work. In pointe shoes, there is a strong shank- a stiff piece that goes under the foot and supports under the heel. Do the boots have a shank too? Also, the fit of the shoe is extremely important. It has to be very snug- more like a glove than a shoe. It is tight around the metatarsals so that the foot cannot slide down so much into the box of the shoe (the part the toes are inside). If it is too wide, the foot slips down and too much weight rests on the toes. Also, the vamp (the top of the shoe over the toes) is cut to just cover the length of the toes and rest under the instep. This also helps keep the foot from slipping into the shoe- obviously in a boot, it would not have this. Ballerinas do put padding in their shoes- at least most do. You are right though, we also have to weigh that against being able to feel the floor. Some dancers only use a little paper towel (these are the masochists, lol) some use a little lambs wool, most use gel toe pads which can be purchased in any dance shop- this girl likes the ones made by "bunheads". Regarding muscles used for balance, most of that comes from the abdominal muscles being held strongly and the pelvis and back being kept flat. Rotating the legs out from the hipsockets helps to lock this balance in place because the psoas muscle runs from the spine through the abdomen and attached to the top of the femur in the hipsocket. By rotating the legs out, it basically pulls the psoas tight and helps prevent back and forth movement of the torso. Sorry if that was awfully technical! And yes, naturally pulling up the quads is important too. The idea is to create a stretch- the legs and shoulders press downward toward the floor, the quads and top of the head stretch up toward the ceiling. This helps maintain balance. A common mistake in students is that they let their shoulders get behind their hips, instead of keeping them over them.

Arm binders too huh? Now that is sadistic! <g>

You sound as if you have had some dance experience yourself and that you perform too? Or did this girl read that wrong?

Be well,

anna


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