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darkinshadows -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (11/30/2005 2:40:37 PM)

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Question:

If you were the Governor, do you feel you could deal with the responsonsibility of having to make clemency decisions as part of your job? If so, how would you personally deal with it?


On Topic - If you accept a position, you would be aware of the job and all it entails. Therefore One would do the job, not just to the best of their own ability, but do what you signed up for.
As for dealing, I would have no problem making clemency decisions. But then, I would not place myself in that position so my response is void.

On a side note - I do not believe in the death penalty and find no justification to it's usage.

Hope that answered jali!
Take care

Peace and Love.



darkinshadows -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (11/30/2005 2:46:13 PM)

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"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." - Al Capone


Is it just me, or is there a certain irony on quoting a mass murderer to justify murdering?[:'(]

Peace and Love



Mercnbeth -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (11/30/2005 2:59:17 PM)

~Angel,
Quoting Al Capone!!!???
Next time maybe you'll use this one. I actually thought of you when I saw this recently. It's not "my side" of the argument, but a thought provoking quote none the less.

quote:

So long as governments set the example of killing their enemies, private individuals will occasionally kill theirs.
Elbert Hubbard



darkinshadows -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (11/30/2005 3:28:51 PM)

LoL Merc - Thanks for the quote.

It wasn't me quoting, but dekley.(If you click the response button you can read it) I just found irony in his quoting someone who was a murderer to support his thoughts (re other pages and posts)...LoL...

Personally - I prefere Chains quote[:)]

Peace and Love



MadameDahlia -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (11/30/2005 4:16:59 PM)

I think that executions should occur only when there is indisputable evidence... (Unaltered video and audio recordings, several, trustworthy witnesses, confessions that have not been coerced)

And then I think that the executions that stem from violent crimes (rape, murder, torture) should be done in public - or at the very least put on TV.

And I think they should be every bit as violent as the crime itself. (None of that cruel and unusual punishment stuff should apply wherein the person is unquestionably guilty)

But that's just my opinion.



dekley -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (11/30/2005 9:49:04 PM)

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You are off topic. What does persuasion have to do with anything?


Since this seems to have gone over your head, let me spell it out for you... My Capone quote was in response to your Gandhi quote and was intended to make the point that there is both good and evil in this old world. If the good refuse to defend themselves (i.e. Gandhi) against the evil (i.e. Capone), then the evil will eventually win (they're willing to use the gun). By the same token, had Henry Brisbon been sentenced to the death penalty and that sentence been carried out in a timely manner, then there would be one more innocent person alive today. Point being, in this example, the death penalty would indeed have prevented another innocent person from being murdered. Bottom line... I simply don't buy the arguement that the death penalty doesn't deter violent crime. If nothing else, it keeps them from killing even more innocent people.

On a broader scale, had our parents and grandparents refused to kill Germans and Japanese during WW II (i.e. Gandhi), then none of us would be here today, as most of those parents and grandparents would have perished in German & Japanese concentration camps. Remember a place called Pearl Harbor?

As Kenny Rodgers sang in 'Coward of the County' - "Sometimes you gotta fight when you're a man."


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Is it just me, or is there a certain irony on quoting a mass murderer to justify murdering?


And BTW, just for the record, Al Capone was never convicted of a single murder. Remember... Innocent until proven guilty in the USA.

Dekley




Chaingang -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (11/30/2005 10:34:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dekley
Since this seems to have gone over your head, let me spell it out for you... My Capone quote was in response to your Gandhi quote and was intended to make the point that there is both good and evil in this old world. If the good refuse to defend themselves (i.e. Gandhi) against the evil (i.e. Capone), then the evil will eventually win (they're willing to use the gun).


I find it hilarious that you believe the above statement. Gandhi won his battle, or is that part lost on you? I believe the British well know how to use guns, BTW. Capone lost his battle, despite all of his guns. Guns weren't his problem, nor part of any possible solution either.

So yeah, you're right - your point went over my head. I have trouble thinking like a bonehead. You will have to teach me, being an expert and all...



dekley -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (11/30/2005 11:21:39 PM)

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I have trouble thinking like a bonehead. You will have to teach me, being an expert and all...


I've always heard that the debate is typically lost by the first person who resorts to name calling. Have a good day.




Chaingang -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (12/1/2005 4:56:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dekley
I've always heard that the debate is typically lost by the first person who resorts to name calling. Have a good day.


Nope, that's not correct either.

It's just another technique of rhetoric, albeit not a well-respected one. Ridicule disarms one's opponent by way of an appeal to pathos - or emotions. In this case you seem ready to quit the field instead of coming back with an engaging retort. At the same time your suggestion that I didn't get your earlier statement, that it went over my head (as strangely convoluted as your apparent argument turned out to be), was itself an obvious attempt at ridicule stating in other words that I am not as clever as I think I am. But I am as clever as I think I am, and I responded in kind. So don't go away mad thinking I started this - you did.

An eye for an eye, right? Isn't that your ethic?



darkinshadows -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (12/1/2005 8:53:01 AM)

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And BTW, just for the record, Al Capone was never convicted of a single murder. Remember... Innocent until proven guilty in the USA.


... And you have just proven how ridiculous the US Law system is then, no more no less...

I would much rather hang out with Gandhi than Capone... and as for freedom - I would suggest there is alot more than being free than purely fighting... and your analagy actually has nothing to do with the OP and takes the focus of the original question. I would suggest there are plenty of other posts about war and fighting for freedoms than drawing away from the original question.

Peace and Love



LeatherBehr77 -> RE: Could you handle the responsibility of this job? (12/15/2005 8:24:47 AM)

As was stated earlier by sub4hire:

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It's part of your job, you know it when you run for election. So, I sure hope I'd be able to deal with it.



This sums it all up for me as well.

One would think that in taking on a job such as is in question here, it would be evident that you would have to know all the in's and out's of the job prior to running for office....so it would definately be expected if not required that you be able to deal with situations pertaining to issues of penalty/punishment within the penal system among many other "touchy" issues.



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