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Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/18/2008 7:02:37 AM

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A Manhattan S&M club that billed itself as the "Leading House of Domination in NYC" was put out of business Wednesday after the NYPD busted its manager and seized its business records.
The ladies at the Walker St. club, Rapture, all had "extensive and rigorous" training in the art of bondage, and customers of the Tribeca dungeon were whipped and poked by professionals, its advertising claimed.

On the walls of the club were lists of at least 17 dominatrices - and a list of their special skills.
Whips, chains, hoists and sex toys filled the rooms

"The NYPD does not know the difference between prostitution and freedom of expression," said Reeve's attorney Salvatore Strazzullo.
"There is nothing on the books that states S&M is illegal," Strazzullo said.

Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/09/17/2008-09-17_tribeca_sm_palace_raided_owner_domina_he.html

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/18/2008 12:23:33 PM

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From the same link .....

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allegedly offered an undercover vice cop a "prostate massage" for cash, court records stated.

The first question I thought of was massaged with what? A vibe? Dildo? Strapon? Hand?

Sounds like the Bill Clinton defense. Ass-sex is not ~real~ sex so you cant charge us with prostitution.

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/22/2008 7:29:25 PM

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yeah keep telling yourself "this has nothing to do with me......."

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/22/2008 7:36:47 PM

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NYC has been cracking down a lot; some of my friends were arrested at another place (where I had also worked). They never even bothered to file charges. This has such BS, following the Spizer arrests....I think this is the 3-4th place...

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/23/2008 5:00:44 AM

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It just is not safe for kink these days.

We need somebody for us in office, srsly.

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/28/2008 4:16:00 PM

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go back 10 years,things have not change,I tryed to make changes than ,but no one backed me,now 10 years later same game no surprise! Mistress Christianna

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/28/2008 7:02:36 PM

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God forbid someone enjoying a 'prostate massage' should break free while a murderer sits drinking coffee in the deli.
What a messed up world we live in.

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/28/2008 7:48:16 PM

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So...prostate massages don't count as sex?

Or are we defending prostitution?

Dominatrixes walk a fine line, and they know it. All of the strong defenders of the "Domination is not prostitution" belief are very strict about not crossing that line...in my opinion, a prostate massage does cross the line into prostitution territory.

I don't really consider professional domination as having 'anything to do with me'. I practice BDSM in private, for my own pleasure, they do what is a pretty sexual activity in public for cashy money. When cops start raiding private bedrooms, I'll start getting nervous.

But if we're just advocating professional prostitution, then: Yay!

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/28/2008 8:16:47 PM

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The reality is that the many of the clients DON'T come info anal play but the ones that do essentially only come in for that. SO those who are looking for actual BDSM such as bondage, spanking, flogging, etc are getting screwed so that the vocal minority that equate anal play with ‘domination’ get their fill. No, not every one does it either, but by not doing it, you are essentially talking yourself out of money. I have asked a lot of cops this, including clients, and all I would get back is that it was a ‘grey area’. I know woman who had been picked up at an earlier raid who said that not only were they treated obnoxiously (the cops at the raid, besides making the lewd come-ons also tried to stand there as they changed into street clothes and take photos of them in fetish gear). Once they were processed, no charges were actually filed. Everything got dropped (the cops were claiming they had voice recordings but since none of the woman, in fact, said anything about anal play what was already a weak case was nonexistent). What is basically going on is they are just trying to shut the clubs down. No women, no clubs.

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 9/29/2008 12:04:50 AM

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This is what happens when you don't keep up with the bribes.
They should post a few pics of top cops wearing butt plug tails.

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 10/2/2008 7:18:03 PM

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Charges getting dropped happens a lot in the city. It starts with people complaining about the foot traffic. Then the vice squad comes in with a under cover and asks for a prostate massage which according to the nypd equals penetration and thereby prostitution in their eyes. The charges get dropped when they give the case to the DA and they drop the charges. They cant arrest you for wearing latex, playing with wax, bondage, or flogging but the prostate massage is their catch 22 with fetish clubs. When the cops speak to the DA they don't see it the same way and the charges get thrown out but the Mistress got arrested and they can make the people that were complaining happy. The law defines prostitution as sexual contact so i could see them even seeing CBT as prostitution.

NYS Penal Law
§ 230.00 Prostitution.
A person is guilty of prostitution when such person engages or agrees
or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for
a fee.
Prostitution is a class B Misdemeanor.

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 10/6/2008 2:20:38 PM

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To paraphrase another poster here, Saw V's coming up this Halloween, but you wanna get tied up and spanked (or get a "prostate massage"), then FUCK YOU, ya sicko! You can only enjoy pain when you're watching someone else suffer!
It's the same sorta logic that's applied to prostitution; You can give it away for free, but you can't sell it!

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 10/6/2008 3:54:18 PM

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FYI- some in the scene are trying to organize a 'DomPac'- a lobbying group to get local laws written to protect BDSM Houses.

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 10/6/2008 3:59:35 PM

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Wonder whatever happened to COYOTE and their lobbying efforts? (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics)

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 10/6/2008 5:57:06 PM

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My mom just emailed me the NYPost article re the DomPac etc. I can’t tell if it disturbing or funny that she is like the BDSM/ProDomme clipping service for me lol. I can't speak about Coyote, but this new efforts seems aimed at the Pro scene vs general restrictive sex laws (or am I missing something re coyote?).

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 10/6/2008 7:53:00 PM

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They were an advocacy group for hookers (back before it became a PC violation to refer to any group by a slang name), and against sex laws in general... more on the West coast as I recall.

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 10/6/2008 7:56:12 PM

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and sex toys filled the rooms

so much for the thought of "pro's dont offer sex"

proof in the pudding!

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RE: Tribeca S&M Palace 'Rapture' Raided - 10/6/2008 8:37:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

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and sex toys filled the rooms

so much for the thought of "pro's dont offer sex"

proof in the pudding!

Thank you for your Palin-esque over simplification of what goes on in a ProHouse. Considering that items such as floggers, crops, rope, and yes *gasp* dildos* (the protocol is for clients to use it on themselves) are considered 'sex toys'. I worked at a NYC house for almost 2 years both part time and full time and at the location where I was at and during the shift I worked (i.e., what I was personally witnessing) anything I saw was easily viewable at any public play munch. Take your uninformed judgments and join the ‘Pros are all cheap whores *wah*!’ clique.

< Message edited by LadyLupineNYC -- 10/6/2008 8:39:00 PM >

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