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Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 10:57:28 AM   
LadyTantalize


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Another raid..... #2257 at work!

Police Raid Connecticut BDSM Site Owner's Home
by Darklady
For YNOT.com
ENFIELD, CT â€" Michelle Silva thought that things were starting to
settle down in her life. She was getting her finances in order and
had found that selling home-made bondage videos through her website
provided her with the economic independence she needed to accomplish
her goals. She had her professional ducks in a row and was preparing
for a successful and satisfying future. In order to comply with all
local laws, she possessed the appropriate business zoning permits. In
order to comply with national 2257 regulations, she kept appropriate
model documentation. Yet on the afternoon of Wednesday, November 16,
she says that as many as 30 members of the Enfield Connecticut police
unexpectedly entered her home, repeatedly made derogatory comments
about her lifestyle, and confiscated not only all of her computer and
Internet technology related possessions, but also every piece of
bondage furniture and BDSM equipment likewise involved. No arrests
were made.

What happened?

"We can only speculate at this point," her newly appointed attorney,
Daniel Silver states. "I know that they did not come in looking for
child stuff â€" and there is no child stuff. The authorities admit
that this is not a seizure for the purpose of child pornography."

Could the seizure be related to obscenity prosecution?

According to Silver, who was recommended to Silva by the Free Speech
Coalition, there has not been an obscenity arrest in Connecticut in
at least 20 years, which makes this situation all the more baffling.

Although the Enfield police department insists that it presented
Silva with a search warrant, which would provide information about
the reason for entering her home-based business, she insists that
such is not the case. According to an email sent by Silva, the
police insisted that they were "looking for something specific" and
that they would present the warrant once that had been located.

Regardless of whether or not Silva was presented with a warrant, her
attorney is clear about the fact the "at this point, I don't have it.
I have requested it and Ill get it, but needless to say, I'm not
waiting for them to do that."

Indeed, Silver, a First Amendment attorney who exclusively represents
members of the adult industry, says that "appropriate measures are in
the process of being filed with the Superior Court in Connecticut
seeking immediate return of all items seized." As Silver explains, he
views all confiscated items as "protected material," which are
covered by different laws from those concerning other forms of
contraband.

Silver insists that nothing on Silva's EmpressM.net website is
unusual or extreme.

"I think the important thing is that it's disturbing that in the
state of Connecticut they would even bother with this type of
situation because, as I indicated, there has not been an obscenity
arrest in 20 years."






*****(Excerpt from post made by Empress M at All Star Doms!)
"Here is the story from EmpressM"

On Wednesday, November 16th, 2005 at 2pm my business and home was
raided by the CT local and state police. The door bell rang, "I
asked who it is?" Before I could open the door, THEY pushed the door
in yelling, "POLICE, SEARCH WARRANT!" Over a dozen officers entered.
We were ordered to sit on the couch. We asked to see the warrant and
they refused to show it to us. They told us they were looking for
something specific and told us not to worry about it, we would get
to look at it when they finished the search.( WE NEVER SAW THE
WARRANT) We were terrified because there were over 30 officers
ripping apart my home and business confiscating everything they
deemed as unusual such as my leathers, bdsm furniture, personal
effects such as collars, entire inventory to my on-line store,
fetish novelties, expensive snake skin hand made whips and floggers,
all my fetish toys and many more items. While they packed the stuff
in to boxes they were making remarks about how unusual it was to
possess these strange items. They told us they did not know anything
about bdsm.
At this point I noticed there were two, possibly three dozen
officers in the house. They were making degrading and humiliating
comments about the things they were taking. At the same time we were
being questioned by the officer who was guarding us, about our
fetish lifestyle. He picked up a fetish magazine and in a sarcastic
tone asked me, "Did you make the cover?" He then discovered my
pictures in the magazine and then shouted, "Hey, they are in this
magazine!" To which several officers began passing it around, making
jokes and discriminating comments about our lifestyle tastes. I
asked him if we were being arrested and he said no. We asked him why
they were taking our things?. The officer replied, " I'll bet if we
looked, 95 percent of the homes in town here would not look like
this inside." He added, "That makes it contraband and that is why we
can take it during a search." (These toys are legal in CT and can be
found at a store right near our house).
They began asking questions regarding my adult based business
claiming that I did not have a permit to run it. I told them that I
had a permit from the town and was approved to run my adult BDSM and
fetish websites as my business. I also have two rooms in which I
shoot content for my sites.
This is all documented and filed as an Adult based website with my
town. We are also 2257 compliant. I explained that I am in
bankruptcy and have proven in court to the judge and the trustee the
legitimacy of my business and all income from it. I have all the
proper paper work as well as being approved to run my business.
No one was arrested. All my computers, two rooms of BDSM furniture
and all my equipment for a total of 20,000 dollars worth of items
were seized at the time. I did not get an itemized list for any of
the items that were taken. They left without showing us the warrant,
without telling us what they were looking for. I believe my rights
have been violated.
(Some more facts)
They entered without showing me the warrant.
Never left a copy or showed me what was on it when they finished
there search.
Made harassing comments about my lifestyle and degraded us for it.
When we asked to use the phone with the intent to call a lawyer we
were denied.
They did not ask if we had any medical problems that would be
affected by not allowing us to eat drink or if we took any
medication.
I asked to take my migraine medication after the whole incident
started and was allowed to because it was prescribed to take every 4
hrs by my doctor.
They told us that we could not eat or drink because we could claim
that it caused a reaction from them giving it to us.
For 5 hrs we were ordered to sit on the couch, while being denied
water or food.
They all got bottled water and some even had food while here.
No one asked us if we needed a drink.
I needed to use the bathroom and was told that there were no woman
officers here so they would call one. AFTER waiting another 30
minutes, I asked again to use the bathroom and was escorted by a
male officer upstairs to the bathroom. He stood outside the door and
told me that I could not close it all the way. To keep it half open.
And I should not be embarrassed because I'm used to it because of my
BDSM lifestyle.
He laughed and said I hope you're not going to charge me a tribute.
This happened twice.
They looked at fetish magazines and made comments about the fact I
was on the cover of one and passed it around to others showing me on
the inside.
They teased us saying that our TV would look good down at the
station and that they only took stuff that's not junk.
They continued to raid and invade my home but complained that it was
getting late and that they wanted to go home. Dozens and dozens of
police carried out all of our possessions for our business and
personal life.
I also have a dog that has a medical condition and takes medication
for nerves. They did not take him out at all, or give him fresh
water or food. They kept him in the bathroom the whole time.
No charges were made or arrest but I lost everything and will now
lose my home due to not being able to make my trustee payment and my
mortgage and bills.
I called the attorney that the Free Speech Coalition told me to call
and I have a meeting set up with him on Monday at 4pm.
He said that there would be a retainer and that we could talk in
detail on Monday.
I need to raise money for legal defense and get my computers and
things back. This is urgent as my business is my sole source of
income.
What can I do to fight this? How do I move on? Where do I raise
money for legal and living expenses? How do I get my stuff back? I
still don't know why they picked my business to destroy. Originally
the town approved it, we are now in fear of them entering our home
again without cause.
Please let us know what i would need to do to get help with my case
before anyone else rights are violated.
M.



*heavy sighs*


Lady T.




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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 11:14:59 AM   
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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 11:37:45 AM   
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This occurred two weeks ago on the 16th any update? I'll peruse the net but assuming the facts are true as stated, if there has been a fund set up regarding her defense please post or send us a note through our profile.

THANKS!

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 12:36:56 PM   
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Of yes, I neglected to include the contact and legal fund information, of which can be found on her website! Apologies!!

http://www.empressm.net/

Such frightening times for we kinksters!!!


Truly,

Lady T.


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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 12:38:59 PM   
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quote:

Although the Enfield police department insists that it presented
Silva with a search warrant, which would provide information about
the reason for entering her home-based business, she insists that
such is not the case. According to an email sent by Silva, the
police insisted that they were "looking for something specific" and
that they would present the warrant once that had been located.

Thats her first mistake. Police show you a warrent before they enter, they don't and want come to my house? Hope they are far enough back cause if not they are getting a broken nose when I laugh and slam the door in their face. I'd also do anything doable under the law for police misconduct, abuse of power, and anything else that happened I don't have details to know about. And any halfway decent lawyer would get any charges at all thrown out because the search wasn't conducted properly. No search evedince equals no case.

They don't show me a warrent and force themselves into my house? Several of them are going into the hospital or the walk in cooler and I'm going to jail because I am going to treat it as any other home invasion, and home invaders don't get a kind reception in my home.

I have a ton of respect for respectable police. I have zero for ones that play supercop.

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 12:44:33 PM   
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quote:

Such frightening times for we kinksters!!!


Unless we keep our kinkiness private, that is.

I just don't understand how they were permitted to search the house without a warrent, they aren't supposed to be allowed......

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 1:02:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: siamsa24

quote:

Such frightening times for we kinksters!!!


Unless we keep our kinkiness private, that is.

I just don't understand how they were permitted to search the house without a warrent, they aren't supposed to be allowed......


Police do lots of things they "aren't allowed" to do. Do a google search on cointelpro, and that's just federal. They aren't supposed to frame people either, but it didn't help Joseph Salvati.

As for how they did it, how would you go about stopping a dozen or so armed men?

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 1:07:02 PM   
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quote:

As for how they did it, how would you go about stopping a dozen or so armed men?


Well, I wouldn't have waited around that's for sure. I would have up and left. Asked if I was under arrest and up and left, gone to anyone who would listen. Or made my own list of things that were being taken. Taken pictures. Or something. I am not one that can just sit around like that. I am not saying that she was wrong, but that's just not what I would have done, I couldn't have.

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 1:34:27 PM   
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I'm jsut going to laugh if something usful for the police comes out of this cause even a half wit lawyer will make anything from that search unadmisable. And armed? Whats your point? We arn't a disarmed police state...yet.

Only thing in a situation like that that would have kept me from blasting half of them to the great beyond is the fact I know they are cops, aholes or not they aren't criminals (and their misconduct is likly the result of their CO and not the one doing the grunt work) and aren't going to come in looking to kill me. Least if they are cops I am going to assume as much. Best thing to do when a cop does something he isn't supposed to it grunt, baer it, and then let your lawyer have a field day and get rich from the lawsuit.

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 1:51:57 PM   
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quote:

Unless we keep our kinkiness private, that is.



YIKES, how to respond to this......

All of the adult entertainment industry is under the gun right now and I for one adore porno and do feel that I, as an adult and living in the land of free speech, do have a right to watch porn - therefore adults must have the right to create, produce and distribute porn. I'll be happy to keep my porn viewing private but then how would it get made if others could not produce it?

Currently raids have occured on a "fetish" porn producer and an "erotic stories" website owner where merely the written word was deemed obscene - these are ones I know of - there could be more. I want to watch porn and read erotic stories! Next they will be burning books by such authors as Tennessee Williams and Sylvia Plath - think about it.

As to keeping personal kinkiness private..... I'm an advocate for PRIVACY RIGHTS and I've been in numerous debates that the declaration of my kinkiness via bumper stickers or BDSM flags flying is not required to be sincere and devoted to the leather lifestyle. I believe in personal privacy.

But, much like rights for women, rights for gays and lesbians, various religious creeds, etc., etc., why SHOULD we have to keep our kinkiness private merely because someone of a differing ideology (albeit a narrow-minded one) doesn't understand WIITWD.

Personally, I think the right-wing Christian coalition needs to keep themselves more private and Americans need to fight for the separation of church and state.

But yes, those of us who continue to be "public" and put ourselves out there are doing so with full knowledge of the risk.

True, it's unthinkable that the manner this mess went down could occur in America in 2005. Granted, I don't know her personal thoughts, but I imagine M. was fearful therefore doing what you are told when a massive amount of police force are storming your home seems feasible. Truly, it's a crying shame but as another poster mentioned - I hope she kills in the lawsuit!!


Lady T.



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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 2:27:54 PM   
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Agreed in part. I personally keep my lifestyle choice private and while I don't think you have to hide it you don't need to air it. I support someone's right to be gay and wlak down the street holding hands but I don't support their right to go down the street half naked barly covered by a few strips of leather yelling it at the top of their lungs. Same basic principle. For anything that isn't the "norm".

And I disagree with with the right wing comment. To me the far left in this country is just as if not more dangerous as the far right die hard Christians. Both have their good points, their bad points, and their hypocritical points.

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 3:12:46 PM   
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I would hazard a guest that half the nazi thugs that barged in to her home have used their handcuffs on more then just criminals in their time.

Even the hard right neo cons have closets full of skeletons, some clad in leather to I'll bet.I'm a firm believer in the old saying " Me duth thinks you protest to much." Does anyone else get the feeling that the people making all these outragous laws. Are going a little over the top. Perhaps they're trying to hide the fact that they themselves have their own dark secrets.

This is getting out of hand and if these law makers and nazi like police aren't riegned in quickly , it's only going to get worse. Like it was mentioned a few posts back, they'll be burning books next.

What's needed is a few good lawsuits to be won by our side. When a few cities or towns face near bankruptcy because one of these jack booted raids has trampled the rights of some law abiding kinkster. Law enforcement agencies will be forced to relax their antics by politicians facing certain electorial death sentences because they've had to raise tax's to cover the costs of paying out large settlements.lol.

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 3:43:08 PM   
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I support someone's right to be gay and walk down the street holding hands but I don't support their right to go down the street half naked barely covered by a few strips of leather yelling it at the top of their lungs


Wolf,
Except for the yelling part you described the Folsom Street Fair. There is no better place to be on the last Sunday of September. No arrests that day BTW.

As far as the right wing / left wing. Back in the day, the right wing was for less not more government. That "less" included a lot less government intervention into peoples personal business. The problem occurred when religion was able to infiltrate and "Borg-like" assimilated the right.

Blame/Credit (depends on how you look at it) Clinton's victories over Bush I, and Dole which caused the right, aka Republicans, to get in bed with the conservative religious voting block. It won't be over until the religious block loses. As bad as this situation is for the people involved, and the others who are also under scrutiny, it helps. Who reading this story does not see the comparison to Nazism? A lot more people than the government would like to admit periodically coat their "vanilla" with some sort of flavoring. Surely it isn't just us BDSM "perverts" buying all the leather goods on eBay, or keeping those "adult "Toy Stores" stores open.

But this current problem is, this occurred two weeks ago. I could find no reference at either the NCFS (http://www.ncsfreedom.org/news/index.htm) or ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/) sites.

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 4:05:55 PM   
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Agreed. As I said there are morons, idiots, lairs, hypocrits, etc, on both sides of the two party system our country is locked in. Personally I am libertarian on things with a bit of a conservative lean. But that's just me and sad as it is I think it's a good few years before any third party has a real chance.

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 7:53:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize

Currently raids have occured on a "fetish" porn producer and an "erotic stories" website owner where merely the written word was deemed obscene - these are ones I know of - there could be more. I want to watch porn and read erotic stories! Next they will be burning books by such authors as Tennessee Williams and Sylvia Plath - think about it.



Just a question: Who found the written word obscene?

There are charges of obscenity but only a court could find them obscene. I haven't heard that yet. This would be big news because it would reverse almost a century of legal decisions in the USA.


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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 11/30/2005 11:10:57 PM   
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for what it matters,... i do..feel bad for You.

and my shrink asks me why i don't like this world????



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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 12/1/2005 6:28:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

Lady T<<

for what it matters,... i do..feel bad for You.

and my shrink asks me why i don't like this world????





Don't feel bad for me. Feel bad for Empress M - it happened to her. I've merely made some changes to my website and my ProDomme business. Feel bad for all of those who suffer at the hands of discriminatory tactics and repression.

Lady T.

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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 12/1/2005 6:42:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize

Currently raids have occured on a "fetish" porn producer and an "erotic stories" website owner where merely the written word was deemed obscene - these are ones I know of - there could be more. I want to watch porn and read erotic stories! Next they will be burning books by such authors as Tennessee Williams and Sylvia Plath - think about it.



Just a question: Who found the written word obscene?

There are charges of obscenity but only a court could find them obscene. I haven't heard that yet. This would be big news because it would reverse almost a century of legal decisions in the USA.




My take is that the FBI found them obscene.

https://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=news_article&sid=9839&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Friday, October 07, 2005

Second FBI Raid This Week: Erotic Stories Website Hit, Apparently Over Obscenity
by Connor Young


[Mod Note: Please don't post news stories from other sites here in their entirety, the link to the story is more than sufficient. Thank you.]


Resources:
http://www.avn.com/2257

http://www.fleshbot.com/sex/straight/text/obscenity-task-force-103194.php

http://www.adultchamber.com/members/2257.htm



Related story....a few years ago I attended a Leather History Class given by Viola Johnson and it was incredible. The memorphilia from our leather history was revealing and touching - items to be saved and cherished, especially since so many zealots want that history destroyed. During the class, Viola talked of a bidding war the erupted on a certain auction site over out-of-print copies of one of her books and then learning that one of the other bidders also was bidding on various other kinky works, hence I beleive communication started (I imagine she assumed she was chatting with a fellow kinkster with an appreciation for erotica and BDSM education) - no, a religious zealot who promoted the fact of being affiliated with a grass-roots campaign to purchase and destroy "obscene materials". That's right, they were buying her book to destroy it. Now I have no proof of such and my relaying the story is heresay, but as dedicated to the leather cause that I know Viola to be, and knowing the fanatical mindset of some over this matter - I believe the story!! Now that's SCARY!

Moral of the story.... donate to the FSC and the NCSF, sign petitions and purchase every piece of leather memorphilia that you can to save and cherish for our future generations of kinksters.

Yes, it's amazing that such repression is happening in America in this century - but it is!

Truly,

Lady T.


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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 12/1/2005 6:46:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

[But this current problem is, this occurred two weeks ago. I could find no reference at either the NCFS (http://www.ncsfreedom.org/news/index.htm) or ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/) sites.




Good point and strange!! I do know that the FSC directed her to a top-rate attorney also affiliated with the FSC. We shall see.

Lady T.



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RE: Another Raid - #2257 & Obscenity laws at work - 12/1/2005 6:53:43 AM   
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I support someone's right to be gay and wlak down the street holding hands but I don't support their right to go down the street half naked barly covered by a few strips of leather yelling it at the top of their lungs.



Why not, it's our streets too as we also pay the taxes that maintain them. (Umm, I use the collective "we" as I recollect looking quite fetching in a Pride Parade or two!!) The Gay Pride Parades, the Folsom Street Fairs - all are fun-filled and full of opportunities to support various charities and I'm proud to participate in those I can.

As for the right-wing being more dangerous......sorry, I truly cannot buy that as throughout history liberals have always shown more compassion for their fellow human beings of any race, creed or religion while the right-wing only wants to help those who follow their mandates. Not the mention the extreme righters full of hate-crime mentality or even those adverse to technology and medicine who have let their children die because "God said no doctors".... yikes - they scare the bejeesus out of me - I'll take a liberal any day. **Apologies for the mini-rant; got off on a tangent there** **No offense just passionate about this issue, I guess** *smiles*

Lady T.

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