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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/12/2005 5:33:50 AM

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There was a time when I would have said that subspace was just a state, and I needed a guide, in the form of a Dom, to guide me into and out of that state. It is very much an altered state of being, on par in my consideration with activities such as guided meditiations or spirit journeys.

Can you choose to enter these altered states without the assistance of a guide? Yes. Can you choose to leave these altered states without a guide. Yes.

Do you WANT to. That's the kicker, at least for me.

My opinion is this. I can't fly as high, or as far, or dare the double flip up there, if I'm having to watch the navigational controls the entire time. Maybe it's more like having a solid co-pilot than a guide. It's so much easier to relax and enjoy the flight if you're not responsible for all the details.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/12/2005 7:32:06 AM

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After a while, it becomes hypnotic.....a fog that i could not imagine wanting to leave.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/13/2005 1:13:09 AM

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Out of interest can anyone stop themselves going into subspace,

The quickest and easiest way to stop yourself from going into subspace is to have an orgasm. Subspace is reached by a predefined process of hormones being produced and the exclusion of other hormones being produced (all in a set order) and is contingent on how our body responds to this production, it is hard to say we have any real control over the process. What is clear is that there is a definate fork in the road....one leading to orgasm and the other leading to subspace....what happens at that point and time determines the end result...either one or the other. True subspace cannot be reached once the specific group of hormones are produced and released that trigger orgasm.

By the way, the feeling of floating is actually reached prior to subspace and so you can still enjoy this feeling and orgasm too or you can obtain the floating feeling and continue on to subspace.

TMI? Sorry about that...lol I just find it amazing how our brain works and the effects it has on our bodies.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/13/2005 5:53:14 AM

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Subspace is reached by a predefined process of hormones being produced and the exclusion of other hormones being produced (all in a set order) and is contingent on how our body responds to this production, it is hard to say we have any real control over the process. What is clear is that there is a definate fork in the road....one leading to orgasm and the other leading to subspace....what happens at that point and time determines the end result...either one or the other. True subspace cannot be reached once the specific group of hormones are produced and released that trigger orgasm.

I'm not sure what YOU mean by "true subspace" but I know for me, I know that orgasm doesn't change the experience at all. I also know plenty of people who have had orgasms in subspace.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/13/2005 6:44:59 AM

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Out of interest can anyone stop themselves going into subspace,

The quickest and easiest way to stop yourself from going into subspace is to have an orgasm. Subspace is reached by a predefined process of hormones being produced and the exclusion of other hormones being produced (all in a set order) and is contingent on how our body responds to this production, it is hard to say we have any real control over the process. What is clear is that there is a definate fork in the road....one leading to orgasm and the other leading to subspace....what happens at that point and time determines the end result...either one or the other. True subspace cannot be reached once the specific group of hormones are produced and released that trigger orgasm.

By the way, the feeling of floating is actually reached prior to subspace and so you can still enjoy this feeling and orgasm too or you can obtain the floating feeling and continue on to subspace.

TMI? Sorry about that...lol I just find it amazing how our brain works and the effects it has on our bodies.

I disagree with your statement that you can only achieve one or the other ( or did I read it wrong? ) I have gone so far into space and the journey there was accompanied by multiple orgasms, each one helping to push me further and further. The more pain I feel, the more intense the pleasure.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/13/2005 7:17:57 AM

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Out of interest can anyone stop themselves going into subspace,

The quickest and easiest way to stop yourself from going into subspace is to have an orgasm. Subspace is reached by a predefined process of hormones being produced and the exclusion of other hormones being produced (all in a set order) and is contingent on how our body responds to this production, it is hard to say we have any real control over the process. What is clear is that there is a definate fork in the road....one leading to orgasm and the other leading to subspace....what happens at that point and time determines the end result...either one or the other. True subspace cannot be reached once the specific group of hormones are produced and released that trigger orgasm.

By the way, the feeling of floating is actually reached prior to subspace and so you can still enjoy this feeling and orgasm too or you can obtain the floating feeling and continue on to subspace.

TMI? Sorry about that...lol I just find it amazing how our brain works and the effects it has on our bodies.

seems your a Hans Meijer - http://www.powerotics.com fan.... and enjoyed his article of "What exactly is "subspace" and ... what is it not?"

It is likely the most misleading article I have seen to date........ what makes it so dangers it appears to be rooted in some sort of scientific fact and tries to present itself as an authority on the subject. ... when no such facts exist and no authority medical or otherwises exists. The article that gives rise to the opinion that orgasm and subspace can't happen in unison has been posted in a thread here in "ask a submissive" - I think the thread started as "what is subspace".

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/15/2005 5:23:27 AM

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I know I can keep myself out of subspace, I've done that successfully
I imagine I can also drag myself back out of it as well, although I've never had to do that
and not sure I'd look forward to it at all!

and yes, I've enjoyed orgasms while in subspace
intensely pleasurable ones
and i too thought the article was bogus
but only have my own experiences to go on
*shrug*
don't really care if anyone else can do both
just happy I can, lol

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/15/2005 6:04:26 AM

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I know I can keep myself out of subspace, I've done that successfully
I imagine I can also drag myself back out of it as well, although I've never had to do that
and not sure I'd look forward to it at all!

and yes, I've enjoyed orgasms while in subspace
intensely pleasurable ones
and i too thought the article was bogus
but only have my own experiences to go on
*shrug*
don't really care if anyone else can do both
just happy I can, lol

Those who can control it by themselves are lucky lol. I can't control it myself, but the person I am with can control it for me. And coming down...no control there either unless my partner decides to take me back up again.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/15/2005 9:45:06 AM

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Well i'm sure that i could control it, but i've never tried. Why would i want to?! i live for a great flogging that puts me into sub space. It's such a great feeling. Now i'm sure that if i had to control it i could just move slightly and get flogged in an undesired area. LOL!! i dunno...i'm not pulling myself out anytime soon unless it was asked of me.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/15/2005 1:21:03 PM

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i have not as of yet reached subspace so i cannot answer the question directly..however.. I have been very close to slipping over the edge and Master always brings me back.
I ask Him why He does this and He said "You belong to Me , and i am not ready to take you there yet"..oh well .. guess i gotta accept that huh? (lol)

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RE: subspace can you control it - 12/15/2005 3:27:20 PM

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Well it sounds a great place to be. I only wish i had the opportunity to experience being in 'sub-space' but that day is a long way off for me yet. It sounds like a trance like state of total submission...cool. Lucky you in reply to all that go there

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RE: subspace can you control it - 2/4/2008 12:18:16 PM

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i have done this twice now. lol and OMG! what heaven it is. :) in reply to LA :)

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RE: subspace can you control it - 2/4/2008 12:43:18 PM

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Yes and he can stop me and even pull me out of subspace if I am in it. He tends to prefer to keep us on the edge of subspace.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 2/4/2008 12:49:32 PM

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I have never experienced subspace and I'm not sure I would relinquish control sufficiently to do so. A well known hypnotists couldn't hypnotise...me for the same reason

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RE: subspace can you control it - 2/4/2008 12:58:10 PM

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I suppose before I could learn to control it, I would have to reach it in the first place. It is something I have yet to experience, but look forward to!

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RE: subspace can you control it - 2/4/2008 4:49:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: champagnewishes

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Out of interest can anyone stop themselves going into subspace,

The quickest and easiest way to stop yourself from going into subspace is to have an orgasm. Subspace is reached by a predefined process of hormones being produced and the exclusion of other hormones being produced (all in a set order) and is contingent on how our body responds to this production, it is hard to say we have any real control over the process. What is clear is that there is a definate fork in the road....one leading to orgasm and the other leading to subspace....what happens at that point and time determines the end result...either one or the other. True subspace cannot be reached once the specific group of hormones are produced and released that trigger orgasm.

By the way, the feeling of floating is actually reached prior to subspace and so you can still enjoy this feeling and orgasm too or you can obtain the floating feeling and continue on to subspace.

TMI? Sorry about that...lol I just find it amazing how our brain works and the effects it has on our bodies.

I beg to differ on this point. It's usually while I'm flying that I orgasm, and usually just from the pain. Subspace is a nice floaty feeling, warm and soft and dark and cozy, but not quite orgasmic. And yes, it is possible to control it, stay out of it or go in as you desire. Once past subspace though and gone flyin', there's not much control going on (but lots and lots of orgasms).

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RE: subspace can you control it - 2/4/2008 5:18:11 PM

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Out of interest can anyone stop themselves going into subspace,

Sure. If I don't relax and force myself to think about the most offensive things possible, I could probably do it. But then I wouldn't be paying any attention to him so I don't see the point.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 2/4/2008 8:41:59 PM

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I am not sure if I can control sub space I have never tried because I don’t want that much control in our relationship. I have no rights to I am his to do what he wishes with. I know Master can control it, he decides if I go into subspace when I go and how far I go. Sometimes he likes to keep me on the edge, sometimes he like making me feel every strike. I love going where ever he takes me, so everyone is happy.

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RE: subspace can you control it - 4/23/2008 7:57:31 PM

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I have never experienced subspace and I'm not sure I would relinquish control sufficiently to do so. A well known hypnotists couldn't hypnotise...me for the same reason

I now have to eat my words - having experienced it this weekend!

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RE: subspace can you control it - 4/23/2008 8:23:19 PM

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I agree with you littlebitxxx. I find that the pain is replaced with pleasure, at least for me it morphs into something akin to that....along with the floaty feeling. You can even orgasm from just a strapping alone when in that state. The first time that happened to me I wasn't sure what was going on, but I had total trust in Sir. All I know is everything changed, was a wonderful feeling. Well it is a wonderful feeling. As for controlling it, maybe it's something you can learn to do in time. I haven't tried yet, because I love the feeling. Though when Sir wants to keep me out of it, he can by switching to a toy or prop I don't particularly enjoy, a different action or so on. I don't like having my feet cropped, along with a few other things...and that usually works like a charm. But everyone is different.

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