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Mercnbeth -> RE: The Great Debate Tonight!!!!! Hell yeah! (9/27/2008 9:53:10 AM)
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MC,
I don't want you to mistake my pragmatic position regarding Iran as a rationalization for the US doing anything for Israel. My preference for the entire region is for the US to get completely out and let all concerning get on with the ongoing 5000 year war. Oil is the practical consideration. The US obviously lets people go on killing each other over religion anyplace else on the globe.
If there is any concern and subsequent 'policing' it should come from Europe where the 'fallout', both literal and political, will effect them first. Ironically a weak US, financial and military, doesn't bode well for peace. Without a US leash, Israel will take preemptive measures. They promise that in the same way Ahmadinejad commits to Israel's destruction.
Based upon what I heard yesterday an Obama Presidency is a clear path to that goal.
Meanwhile, the current 'official' as well as the 'man on the street' Iranian position is best summed up here.
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Iran does not recognize the Jewish state, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has attracted international condemnation by repeatedly predicting Israel is doomed to disappear and branding the Holocaust a "myth." The commentary inside the book includes anti-Semitic stereotypes and revisionist arguments, casting doubt that the massacre of Jews took place and mocking Holocaust survivors who claimed reparations after World War II. One comment, in a question-and-answer format, reads: "How did the Germans emit gas into chambers while there were no holes on the ceiling?" Answer: "Shut up, you criminal anti-Semite. How dare you ask this question?" In 2006, the Islamic republic hosted a conference of Holocaust deniers and revisionists and a mass-circulation Iranian newspaper held a cartoon competition on the subject. On Friday, tens of thousands of Iranians marched in Tehran, chanting "Death to Israel," declaring solidarity with the Palestinians and calling for Jerusalem and Israel to be handed to the Palestinians. Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080926152921.p3wozs19&show_article=1&lst=1
Again - Is there any indication of a "live & let live" attitude? What would be Senator Obama's opening offer-Relocating the Israeli state to one of those extra 7 of the 57 States he referenced?
PLEASE don't take this as Israeli complicity, or justification for prior Israeli action. Were the media in Israel so inclined getting an Israeli version of the above article directed to Iran specifically and the Muslim world in general, would not be difficult. However, we are discussing the issue as it impacts the US Presidential election. Trying to make a decision about who will best not facilitate over a war that could include the exchange of nuclear weapons. Based upon the pragmatic reality of today, where is the room for 'sitting down'; and what is the likely positive result? Compare that to basically what is the 'status quo'; which doesn't necessarily preclude the exact same result. Therein lays the decision of which candidate gets the check-mark for the 'foreign policy' portion of the 'game'.
It is becoming more and more obvious that is what US politics have become. A game to distract the majority of US citizens from seeing that under current conditions no change is possible. Look at who was on the payroll allowing the current financial debacle - both parties fully represented. Albeit one side gives the excuse of 'good intent' while the other side's goal was 'good profits'; both sides got paid handsomely to create whatever personal rationalization they needed to enable both the financial institutions and individuals to fail. The same bipartisan coalition that wants to now reward that failure.
From your vantage point you think it is any different when it comes to foreign policy no matter what party distinction prevails? Tell me again - when exactly does Senator Obama call for a total withdraw from Iraq? Last I heard was when it was "possible", I do know he supported paying it through 2009 when he had a vote in his hand to end funding it that day - see you in 5000 more years.
Non issue for me - I'm voting for someone not in attendance last night.
Meanwhile...I'm going back to enjoy the festivities of 'leather week' on Folsom Street - a much more fun pursuit than settling a 5000 year old war.
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