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Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/2/2005 11:56:13 AM   
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This is mostly aimed at sub men.

When you look at profiles, forum posts or emails that you receive, do you find yourself more eager to respond to the femdoms that present themselves as outwardly sexual, tantalizing, dominant, seductive -- vs. those that are more straight forward, down to earth and "vanilla."?

If you had three emails in your inbox from potential femdoms, and one addressed you as a "potential slave" and described in detail what kinds of sensual and sexual acts you would perform, the second was just "you sound like a nice piece of slavemeat. Email me promptly and I'll decide if your worth my time as a slut" and the third was very simple, plain, vanilla....not really kinky at all.....how would you respond to each, and in what order of priority?

Which of these instant messages (from a total stranger) would make you jump to react, and why:

a) "I bet you'd look great on your knees in front of me. Have you ever sucked a strap on cock? I'm wearing one right now, and would love to hear how you'd wrap you lips around it if you were my slut. I'm in the mood -- you up for it?"

b) "Hi, my name is Eleanor. I read your profile and you seem nice. Do you want to chat and get to know each other?"

As a femdom, I know the fastest way to get a submissive "interested" and at attention is to arouse his sexuality and appeal to his submissive side. But I also know how annoying it is as a femdom to get presumptous emails/messages from subs "in role". So it would be mighty hypocritical for me to objectify a man *out of the gate* in email or IM, right? Even though I know he'd *like* it?

A femdom who wrote in these forums in a very slanted....femdomish, slightly cocky, slightly nasty, extremely seductive and flirtacious way....would probably get many of the male subs swooning. Yet the "real" femdoms would roll their eyes and go 'yeah, whatever. I can see right through that.' If a male dom did it, he'd get flamed. The "nasty, seductive, demanding" femdom in the forums would become a hero of the subs reading.

Is there a double standard here?



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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/2/2005 12:06:03 PM   
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Dearest AAkasha.........
is there a double standard?
very well could be..........BUT................then again...........it may be.............just 2 different worlds and 2 sets of rules.
one world is femdom
one is maledom
both 2 different worlds ---- 2 sets of rules
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which would "I" pick? well knowing me........YOU know MY answer. i am NOT s/m so "I" pick the level headed vanilla style. i react more intellectually...not sexually. sex turns me off.
MY double standard..i loathe ANY woman flaunting herself...i prefer a gal to be intelligent..
so NO,,,,,,,,,,,,"I" cannot..........be..........seduced. and no woman has EVER tried either.

have i answered well?


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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/2/2005 2:01:59 PM   
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Personally, I'd rather have a casual conversation to get to know someone messaging me. I don't have intentions of starting a cyber relationship.

As for the double standard, I think it's seated in the men who sleep around are players women who sleep around are sluts theory. Except it's in kind of a reverse relationship in this case. A femdom who treats men loosely is expecting men to act as people expect them to while a maledom who treats women loosely is expecting them to act in a what's considered a disgraceful manner. Hence, one is hailed a hero while the other is made a crispy critter.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/2/2005 6:49:52 PM   
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Even though I am not a man, I am going to answer anyway.

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If you had three emails in your inbox from potential femdoms, and one addressed you as a "potential slave" and described in detail what kinds of sensual and sexual acts you would perform, the second was just "you sound like a nice piece of slavemeat. Email me promptly and I'll decide if your worth my time as a slut" and the third was very simple, plain, vanilla....not really kinky at all.....how would you respond to each, and in what order of priority?


Definitly the Vanilla one. I tend to respond more to a serious, or humurous approach more than anything else.

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Which of these instant messages (from a total stranger) would make you jump to react, and why:

a) "I bet you'd look great on your knees in front of me. Have you ever sucked a strap on cock? I'm wearing one right now, and would love to hear how you'd wrap you lips around it if you were my slut. I'm in the mood -- you up for it?"

b) "Hi, my name is Eleanor. I read your profile and you seem nice. Do you want to chat and get to know each other?"


Definitly the second one. It's worded in such a way that shows a bit of respect and manners as to my feelings.

I tend to take things very seriously when someone emails me, or asks if I would like to chat. So, having the person who initiated the chat be somewhat serious also, helps alot. But, on the flip side, humor is a great incentive with me. I have received requests from others which started with nothing more than a joke, or a funny quote. If it catches my attention, and makes me laugh, I usually respond.

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Is there a double standard here?


While I want to say yes, without hesitation...I can't because quite frankly, I don't get emails from the female population. But, going on past experiences, and past complaints/opinions...I would say that yes, there is a double standard.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/2/2005 7:42:54 PM   
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Id prefer the clean person. The 'you would great on your knees' puts me off. Im not going to submit to someone I dont know.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 3:29:50 AM   
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I remember chatting with girls who start the conversation via the "aggressive femdom" vibe, and although some are better at it than others, I prefer someone who can I can appreciate as an individual person first.

As for the double standard, yes, I think men are more forced to censure their desires publically out of fear of being labelled a perv/agressor etc than women are.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 4:06:35 AM   
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great question! and even though i'm female, i thought i'd answer anyways...

there are a lot of posts about people being turned off by what is sent to them, whether it's sent by a Dom/me or sub/slave. and it all boils down to what's right for one may not be what's right for another and each person needs to decide for themselves what is right for them alone.

personally, when i first joined here, i did have literally hundreds of messages. i was totally amazed at the response i received...of course then i had a long ass profile too :) but i put a lot of thought into my words, stated who i was, what i was looking for, etc. sure i was totally put off by some while others totally made me want to know more...

the response that got to me the most was a long letter that said nothing about sex. nothing about what He was going to do to me. nothing about how i was His or i was to call Him Master or even Sir. no pet names right off the bat. it was about His beliefs in D/s, His views on being a Master in general and what it meant to Him. things to watch out for, things to look at in responses. it was about Him actually and said very little about me other than He saw my profile and wanted to write. He told me about Himself. He actually had written twice before i had a chance to respond (didn't have the time after i read His first letter to put any real thought into a response so i waited ~ which resulted in a second letter <smile>).

anyways. for me, it's about Him getting in to my mind and now that i am His ... i am totally seduced by His words.

hopefully that made sense.

good day to all!

~ r ~

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 5:55:13 AM   
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the vanilla response---if i am going to be submitting myself- there MUST be common ground outside of kink...........
it is most flattering when a master writes b/c he likes your voice.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 8:08:52 AM   
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I think Akasha's post about femdoms approaching male subs highlights the gender differences in response. First, men are usually pigs, so appealing to their groin has a high probablility of success. Second, the numbers game favors femdoms; males subs don't get approached often, so an approach that is more sexual and pushing the submissive button can appear as genuine interest as long as it isn't over-the-top and seeming phony.

Contrast that to the approaches ladies receive on-line -- the majority are already over-the-top sent by trolls and morons. So a guy would have to take the "get to know ya" approach just to avoid getting lumped in with the goofballs to stand a chance of getting any response.

Actually, I don't even thing it is a question of style vs substance -- seems to me it is a matter of timing. Given the numbers game, guys are just open to the more direct approach earlier than the gals; after the getting to know ya period the gals should be open to it too and can actually be disappointed if it isn't delivered when they're ready.

It would be an interesting experiment to see if the response to the type of approach changed if the numbers were reversed and fem subs outnumbered male doms (and impersonators) or femdoms outnumbered male subs. That is one experiment that I don't think can ever be tested.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 8:24:47 AM   
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quote:

So a guy would have to take the "get to know ya" approach just to avoid getting lumped in with the goofballs to stand a chance of getting any response.


Um, they should take the "let's talk football" approach.



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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 9:30:09 AM   
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quote:

Um, they should take the "let's talk football" approach.


LOL, that might work

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 11:13:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

If you had three emails in your inbox from potential femdoms, and one addressed you as a "potential slave" and described in detail what kinds of sensual and sexual acts you would perform, the second was just "you sound like a nice piece of slavemeat. Email me promptly and I'll decide if your worth my time as a slut" and the third was very simple, plain, vanilla....not really kinky at all.....how would you respond to each, and in what order of priority?

Number three would get the first response, largely because it seems a bit more real....something that could develop over time, not necessarily into a relationship, perhaps into a friendship. I would respond with a detail or two that might not be in my profile, and ask questions about her.

Number one would come next. I think I'd ask for a bit more information about the sender, and why she used this approach. Of course, in the back of my mind would be "is this really a woman?" This just seems like so much more of a male message...in fact I have received one or two like it from Doms...the ones who can't read the "no Doms" part of my profile.

Number two, if I replied at all, would likely get not much more than "Thank you for your message. Good luck in your search."


Which of these instant messages (from a total stranger) would make you jump to react, and why:

a) "I bet you'd look great on your knees in front of me. Have you ever sucked a strap on cock? I'm wearing one right now, and would love to hear how you'd wrap you lips around it if you were my slut. I'm in the mood -- you up for it?"

b) "Hi, my name is Eleanor. I read your profile and you seem nice. Do you want to chat and get to know each other?"

"B" first for the same reasons as above.

"A" could be a fun diversion, with someone that I knew in a more intimate way, but as an opening line? Nope, doesn't work for me.



Tasha





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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 11:19:16 AM   
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quote:

Um, they should take the "let's talk football" approach.

LOL, that might work

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i'm sorry? what's football?
seriously. i am one male--------that is not...into...sports.

ANY so called Domme/Mistress/Domina--whatever She calls Herself.......IF She actually tried to get MY attention????????
start talkin scifi or fantasy like piers anthony.
otherwise...you can pretty much hang-it-up...
ya aint gettin MY attention past 10 seconds.

but hey
it's just a me thing here.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/3/2005 2:32:43 PM   
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quote:

i'm sorry? what's football?
seriously. i am one male--------that is not...into...sports.


tsk, tsk, how do you spend Sunday afternoon?
Nah, just kidding, no need to answer.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/4/2005 7:54:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aakasha

This is mostly aimed at sub men.

When you look at profiles, forum posts or emails that you receive, do you find yourself more eager to respond to the femdoms that present themselves as outwardly sexual, tantalizing, dominant, seductive -- vs. those that are more straight forward, down to earth and "vanilla."?


I definitely prefer the more down to earth approach. If my brief experience here has taught me anything, it's that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

As far as profiles go, the vast (VAST) majority of profiles for female dominants tend to de-emphasize the kinky play aspect in favor of domestic service, so one that was overly seductive/tantalizing/sexual would make me very suspicious.

quote:

If you had three emails in your inbox from potential femdoms, and one addressed you as a "potential slave" and described in detail what kinds of sensual and sexual acts you would perform, the second was just "you sound like a nice piece of slavemeat. Email me promptly and I'll decide if your worth my time as a slut" and the third was very simple, plain, vanilla....not really kinky at all.....how would you respond to each, and in what order of priority?


The last one you described would intrigue me the most. For me, simple does not equal plain does not equal vanilla. Simple or plain or vanilla in an initial email tends to imply (for me), "genuine", "human", and "reasonable".

The second one I'd ignore. I've actually gotten one like that, almost exactly, word for word.

The first I might follow up out of curiousity, but I would be extremely suspicious and wouldn't put very much stock in it, to be honest.

quote:

Which of these instant messages (from a total stranger) would make you jump to react, and why:

a) "I bet you'd look great on your knees in front of me. Have you ever sucked a strap on cock? I'm wearing one right now, and would love to hear how you'd wrap you lips around it if you were my slut. I'm in the mood -- you up for it?"


Out of the blue? From a stranger? Forget it. Suck it yourself, bebe.

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b) "Hi, my name is Eleanor. I read your profile and you seem nice. Do you want to chat and get to know each other?"


This has a lot more potential, to me.

quote:

As a femdom, I know the fastest way to get a submissive "interested" and at attention is to arouse his sexuality and appeal to his submissive side. But I also know how annoying it is as a femdom to get presumptous emails/messages from subs "in role". So it would be mighty hypocritical for me to objectify a man *out of the gate* in email or IM, right? Even though I know he'd *like* it?


I think it's a stretch to make that generalization. Some (maybe most) would like it, but some (at least the ones commenting in this thread) would be offended.

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A femdom who wrote in these forums in a very slanted....femdomish, slightly cocky, slightly nasty, extremely seductive and flirtacious way....would probably get many of the male subs swooning. Yet the "real" femdoms would roll their eyes and go 'yeah, whatever. I can see right through that.' If a male dom did it, he'd get flamed. The "nasty, seductive, demanding" femdom in the forums would become a hero of the subs reading.

Is there a double standard here?


Of course. But what's lacking in your question is any sense of what the Domme initiating the contact is actually looking for. If she's just looking for a play partner, something where both parties just want to get each other's rocks off, an outwardly dominant/tantalizing approach would probably work great. If the Domme wants more than that, I think she needs to be a little more circumspect and approach things from the human angle first. We hear this from Dommes all the time. Why should it be any different for subs?

But that's just me. What have you found Akasha? What's your experience been? Would you advise a Domme to court a potential partner by IM'ing him out of the blue with a hot line about what a great strap-on-sucking whore he'd make?

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/4/2005 8:28:43 AM   
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Most certainly the down to earth - vanilla one. As someone else said I'm not going to submit to someone I dont know. It think thats the most genuine, honest approach out there. Certainly more apt to reply to that type than any other. I also feel that contacting someone with that approach has a much greater chance of lasting and evolving, so as a natural result I'll be putting forth more effort too.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/4/2005 9:38:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pollux



But that's just me. What have you found Akasha? What's your experience been? Would you advise a Domme to court a potential partner by IM'ing him out of the blue with a hot line about what a great strap-on-sucking whore he'd make?


I prefer to use the straight forward, normal approach when talking with subs online. In real life, if I am interested in a man, I might be much more seductive about it -- but not overbearing. I'm a shameless flirt when I want to be, and I think getting a man's attention and dropping the necessary "femdom hints" is important when determining initial chemistry.

Online, I think subs "pay attention" more if the language is laced with the stereotypical "femdom bitch" and "I own your ass" type of approach. Sad but true. I know that on my web site the tone I use directly impacts the amount of responses I get -- both from the horny net geeks as well as the guys that are on the "normal" wavelength. And I don't get any "complaints" when I use that kind of language. I recently did a survey on my site to see if readers liked my "down to earth" tone I use as the narrative/hostess, and 41% said they would prefer I used a "demanding, bitch goddess" tone instead of what I do now. That's a pretty high percentage, and a lot higher than I expected.

I know that in the past if I did an online survey, for example, I'd get maybe 15 emails in response. If I did an online survey and wrote it in a way that DEMANDED the readers stop, drop everything and respond to it (with a plug in their ass) the response would be 4 to 5 times higher.

When I write posts on forums that contain practical advice, I know that it might be skimmed but probably not read entirely and given thought. If I write it in a tone that screams "latex clad Goddess demands your attention" more subs would read it carefully.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/7/2005 9:01:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha


This is mostly aimed at sub men.


Which of these instant messages (from a total stranger) would make you jump to react, and why:

a) "I bet you'd look great on your knees in front of me. Have you ever sucked a strap on cock? I'm wearing one right now, and would love to hear how you'd wrap you lips around it if you were my slut. I'm in the mood -- you up for it?"

b) "Hi, my name is Eleanor. I read your profile and you seem nice. Do you want to chat and get to know each other?"





As for me, (a) would be somewhat flattering but definitely not a turn-on. It would probably elicit a reply along the lines of, "thank you for your interest.....I'm flattered!"

(b) would get an immediate reply in the affirmative (if her profile was compatible). I'm chatting now with a really wondereful woman who did just that. She got the impression (how I don't know) that I was just witty and sarcastic enough to be of interest to her. Her profile was interesting so we began corresponding. It's been very nice.

No, you can't lead me around by my cock with just randy words. A leash through the PA, now *that* works!

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/8/2005 12:40:03 PM   
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My experience with the first type is that eventually she will be asking for money, because most men can be easily drawn to the aggressive, sexually-oriented overture. For that reason alone it is a turn-off, at least for me.

The woman who has a sense of humor and an air of intelligence can pursue her desires more subtly, determining whether she has found what she is seeking. Generally, this seems to require them to be a little older, because she has deeper reasoning for her search. i have yet to meet a young "domme" (under 30) who has any idea what she's really doing beyond getting a kick out of bossing someone around.

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RE: Style vs. Substance: Can you be seduced? - 12/8/2005 1:41:44 PM   
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quote:

ANY so called Domme/Mistress/Domina--whatever She calls Herself.......IF She actually tried to get MY attention????????
start talkin scifi or fantasy like piers anthony.
otherwise...you can pretty much hang-it-up...
ya aint gettin MY attention past 10 seconds.


I love Piers Anthony and Sci-fi!!

And I know that you asked for the opinions of subs/slaves... But I couldn't resist putting in my two cents.

I couldn't approach a male sub/slave with sexual innuendos, it isn't who I am. Service is more important to me then the sexual side... But, I've noticed that it doesn't take long for any conversation I may be having with a male sub to turn to kink and sex... seems to be one their most favorite subjects.... So with the exception of veronicaofML and possibly a few others... I would have to say that approaching them as the sexual, tantalizing and seductive femdom would reep more "positive" responses.

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