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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/29/2008 5:20:36 PM

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Second thoughts on this. I'm sure it's a fake or fantasy profile because unless they do it themselves with a pair of pliers, it isn't going to happen. No dentist would agree to remove healthy teeth, ever. They'd lose their license for that.

Stuff that seems so extreme like this usually isn't real. In fact I'd go as far as saying not one in ten thousand is real.

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/29/2008 5:22:29 PM

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I am telling you, I saw it, it was a 'bait' profile...the author clearly was looking for attention and used some hapless girl's photo.

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/29/2008 6:44:00 PM

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Second thoughts on this. I'm sure it's a fake or fantasy profile because unless they do it themselves with a pair of pliers, it isn't going to happen. No dentist would agree to remove healthy teeth, ever. They'd lose their license for that.

Stuff that seems so extreme like this usually isn't real. In fact I'd go as far as saying not one in ten thousand is real.

Um... this is not true. Cosmetic dentistry allows the removal of healthy teeth and the placement of cosmetic implants. Unless someone charges malpractice and it can be proven, a cosmetic dentist will not lose his license, and he certainly cannot lose his license simply for removing teeth in a safe, sanitary, manner. Dentists at the hospital at which I work do cosmetic procedures all the time, removing healthy teeth to facilitate other types of maxillofacial cosmetic procedures or to alleviate pain. Actors and actresses occasionally choose to have one or more healthy teeth removed and replaced with implants in order to correct appearance issues surrounding their mouths and jawlines. I also had a personal friend have healthy teeth removed to have custom-designed 'vampire' implants put in, and replacement of one or more permanent teeth is not uhneard-of for other body modification practitioners. I'd be happy to share links to pictures of actual human beings who have had their teeth removed and implants done for purely cosmetic/personal/social reasons, if you like.

Not every dentist will do these procedures. Insurance won't cover them. However, they can be done without jeopardizing the doctor's license (whether xhe feels it is appropriate to do them ethically is another matter entirely, and that, combined with the doctor's concerns about 'buyer's remorse', especially from post-operative pain, which I've heard can be extreme, and an ensuing lawsuit -- which would cost him money but wouldn't cause his license to be suspended unless he could be proven to have committed malpractice -- may contribute to the small number of cosmetic dentists willing to do body-modification-style extractions or implants).

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/29/2008 6:47:44 PM

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I'm sure you are correct, but did you friends have all their teeth removed to be a better slave? I would think (although I'm no expert) that there would be some sort of plan worked out with the dentist in advance. I guess it could happen, but i would think one would have to look long and hard to find a dentist that would just pull teeth so that someone could give a better bj, for example.

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/29/2008 8:49:20 PM

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The issue I am taking is with acts against another which are no reversible. Those things that leave permanent marks, disfigurement, or death that just can not be taken back.

Wow... see, you say you can live and let live and then you go and say something like this. i consider myself a fairly well-adjusted adult. i'm educated, hold a respectable job (am an RN actually) and am going to be back in school in January to further my education. i would LOVE to be involved in a relationship where i was irreversibly marked... tattooed, cut or maybe even branded. All of those things would leave me permanently marked - some people would even say disfigured, yet i would see them as something to be proud of.
Seems to me you can't really live and let live unless people hold the same views as you... something to think about if you want to claim to be nonjudgemental.

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/29/2008 8:51:30 PM

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Hop off of that soapbox before you fall and hurt yourself.

Or before someone accidentally brushes him off :)

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/29/2008 8:52:41 PM

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Hop off of that soapbox before you fall and hurt yourself.

Or before someone accidentally brushes him off :)

HA!

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/29/2008 11:17:38 PM

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ok lord,

i am about to jump outa my seat here. i didnt make it any farther in this thread than this. now i know that i dont really need to respond to this this, but i cant resist. see i am on the other side of that scapel and those needles.

let's see, as a masochist that leans towards the blood play (one true fetish) and the extremer side of things. i got a perm cutting cutting a few weeks ago. the last count was somewhere in realm of 12 orgasms during the whole procedure. ok, not so much the whole lighting me up to cauterize the thing, but you endure certain things for your art. BLOOD excites me. i get all primal, ferral when i get cut, and when i smell my blood. when i am restrained (i ripped pleats out of hospital restraints last time) i let go. we like it. we crave it. it is our thing.

so there are certain risks, but you know there are risks everytime i get into my car. there are risks everytime i have sex. you manage risks. otherwise you choose to survive in a lil' bubble. where is the living in that? so i get exicited about standing in front of bull whips for as long as i can find someone to weild them. so i get excited over someone shoving needles into my body, or someone nailing my nipples to a board. there really isnt much difference than when i got bi-lateral peircings there. it isnt for everyone, but some of us relish in it. it isnt even a huge margin in our own community. believe me. try finding a partner.

but aside from all that, sitting in judgement of those of us that do crave this, or enjoy it, why? there are 20 somethings that do have enough life expeirence to draw on to make informed decisions such as these. the sad part and the thing to be outraged about is that they do. the part to get pissed at is that someone 17-22 years old has been forced to face enough demons in thier lives to make this kind of informed choice.

of course the wonderful option is too, that they have the option, that it does exist. that at such a young age, they dont have to stumble along, or just luck into this life like we did. they can discover and live as they choose from the get go. not wait half thier lives going duh!!

ok end rant..

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/30/2008 10:32:48 AM

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let's see, as a masochist that leans towards the blood play (one true fetish) and the extremer side of things. i got a perm cutting cutting a few weeks ago. the last count was somewhere in realm of 12 orgasms during the whole procedure. ok, not so much the whole lighting me up to cauterize the thing, but you endure certain things for your art. BLOOD excites me. i get all primal, ferral when i get cut, and when i smell my blood. when i am restrained (i ripped pleats out of hospital restraints last time) i let go. we like it. we crave it. it is our thing.

You know this is getting out of hand. I started this thread because one profile bothered me. As many have said rightfully so it was probably just a fake profile at that. The exact situation was a 20 year old sub who started they would have their teeth removed for the pleasure of their multiple doms.

Most of you seem to agree that this is distrubing although again probably fake any way.

I want to talk specifically to and about Leakylee's post that is commented above. It definitly sounds like you enjoy what I would consider way extreme. My question is how does these actions affect your health long term? I assume as long as you are using sterile supplies there is no long term health risk involved.

I never should have pursued this conversation in to the knife play. I don't like knife play but I can get it. I'm not crazy about the concept of drawing blood on someone I care about. If it is done in a way that the cuts heal without permeant scarring then it would probably even fall as something with in my standard of acceptable for me.

I noticed that a few have menationed Branding and body art. I have never been a fan of tattoos. I think that it detracts from the beauty of the human body. But of course most everyone has them and if I was really "anti tattoos" - I would have a very hard time living in this society. I wouldn't even rule out the possibility of such a thing - but not now, not for me.

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but aside from all that, sitting in judgement of those of us that do crave this, or enjoy it, why? there are 20 somethings that do have enough life expeirence to draw on to make informed decisions such as these. the sad part and the thing to be outraged about is that they do. the part to get pissed at is that someone 17-22 years old has been forced to face enough demons in thier lives to make this kind of informed choice.

Ok this is the other point of my original post. The age factor. I have a few people question me suggesting that I am unfairly judging someone based on their age.

All I have to base this on is what I have discovered through my short life. I do not believe it is possible for a 20 year old to know what turns her/his life will make in the future. As you get older the path becomes clearer but even at my age now of 34 there are still a few surprises that have happened.

YES a 20 year old can have more life experience then I do at 34 or then some people do at 65. YES they can be smarter and more prepared to face life. All this says to me that they will be all that more experienced and smarter at 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70.

But at least in my experience - I didn't stagnate between 20 - 30. It was probably the single most important decade of my life so far. But considering I've only lived 3 full decades well who knows. I don't know that I made massive changes in the last decade so much as I started to get the answers to the WHY's do I feel the way I feel. I started to look back on those decisions, see where my life went and really understand the outcome. A more big picture view. At 20 I had big goals and plans but was much more living for the moment.

It is my believe that 20 years from now I will look back at my life and say man 30 year olds don't have a clue. If history is any indication to me I will have a much clearer understanding of who I am at 50 then I ever do now.

And that is a good thing - I am constantly moving forward.

(P.S. - Please excuse the spelling errors in this message. Logged in from my laptop which doesn't have any spell check capability)

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RE: WTF is wrong with these people? - 9/30/2008 11:28:42 AM

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I noticed that a few have menationed Branding and body art. I have never been a fan of tattoos. I think that it detracts from the beauty of the human body. But of course most everyone has them and if I was really "anti tattoos" - I would have a very hard time living in this society. I wouldn't even rule out the possibility of such a thing - but not now, not for me.

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And it's great that you know this about yourself. You must realize, however, when you hop up on that soapbox denigrating those of us that DO like them (and maybe some branding someday) that you are bound to get a bunch of not so pleasant replies. i stand by my previous comment that you can't claim this," I pride myself on being someone who can look at different points of view and even I don't agree with them I can usually understand where they are coming from," and then turn around and bash people for YOU consider "extreme."

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