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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 9:47:31 AM   
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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 9:52:48 AM   
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all i know about the debate is that it took too long and offset the entire night's programming schedule and ruined the night for everyone


For "everyone"?   Not quite.  Besides, if not getting to watch your 2 hours of mindless programming on the tube is enough to ruin your evening, then you need to reassess your priorities in life.   Read  a book.  Take a walk.   Volunteer at a homeless shelter.  Do something that helps someone. 

Some of us are actually interested in political matters that affect us greatly.  

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 9:53:44 AM   
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One thing I sorely wish Sarah Palin had pointed out is the difference between why McCain once voted against a troop-funding bill and why Obama did likewise -- the "time-line" issue.  McCain voted against a troop-funding bill specifically because it contained a time-line WITH a firm/set date for all of our troops to be out of Iraq, while Obama voted against a troop-funding bill specifically because it contained a time-line WITHOUT a firm/set date for all of our troops to be out of Iraq.  Whether one is losing or winning a war, the VERY LAST thing one should do is tell their enemy they are going to quit fighting on a specific date!  That Obama-Biden don't get that or, worse yet, do get that but won't acknowledge it for political reasons, is the pre-eminent reason why they should not be elected. 


She didn't have to, Biden pointed it out for her. 

She was more concerned with telling everyone how she was goin' to be a doggone, gosh darn, heckuva vice-president than actually dealing (I'm mean dealin' in Sarah-speak) in facts.

BIDEN: Gwen, with all due respect, I didn't hear a plan. Barack Obama offered a clear plan. Shift responsibility to Iraqis over the next 16 months. Draw down our combat troops. Ironically the same plan that Maliki, the prime minister of Iraq and George Bush are now negotiating. The only odd man out here, only one left out is John McCain, number one. Number two, with regard to Barack Obama not quote funding the troops, John McCain voted the exact same way. John McCain voted against funding the troops because of an amendment he voted against had a timeline in it to draw down American troops. And John said I'm not going to fund the troops if in fact there's a time line. Barack Obama and I agree fully and completely on one thing. You've got to have a time line to draw down the troops and shift responsibility to the Iraqis.


Biden did indeed point it out to Palin. However, Biden failed to mention that Obama's "clear plan" is predicated upon telling the enemy we'll quit fighting in 16-months. Note that in order to differentiate himself from Hillary Clinton on this issue during the Democratic primary, Obama's original "clear plan" was having all of our troops out of Iraq by the end of 2009. Apparantly Obama himself isn't "clear" about his plan.  The draw-down plan currently being negotiated between President Bush and Iraq's Prime Minister Maliki is NOT the same as Obama's but, rather, more like Bush's/McCain's in that the draw-down time-line is not only 24-months rather than Obama's 16-months but the pace of the draw-down is predicated upon what is happening "on the ground" rather than Obama's cast in stone draw-down pace.  That Biden said he is in full and complete agreement with Obama vis-a-vis withdrawing all of our troops out of Iraq by a specific date IRREGARDLESS of Iraq's ability to assume responsiblitly proves they are the odd-men out here. Period.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 9:54:19 AM   
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For those that insist on facts.. check out factcheck.org


Factcheck.org is owned by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, which ran the Annenberg Foundation, which gave Obama his start in "Community Organizing".

Hardly an unbiased, non partisan group.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 9:55:32 AM   
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all i know about the debate is that it took too long and offset the entire night's programming schedule and ruined the night for everyone


For "everyone"?   Not quite.  Besides, if not getting to watch your 2 hours of mindless programming on the tube is enough to ruin your evening, then you need to reassess your priorities in life.   Read  a book.  Take a walk.   Volunteer at a homeless shelter.  Do something that helps someone. 

Some of us are actually interested in political matters that affect us greatly.  

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.


from what i hear (see) seems the debate fits right in on the "mindless" factor of late-night TV, Ma'am. good thing i have movie channels


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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 9:58:46 AM   
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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 10:00:46 AM   
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For "everyone"?   Not quite.  Besides, if not getting to watch your 2 hours of mindless programming on the tube is enough to ruin your evening, then you need to reassess your priorities in life.   Read  a book.  Take a walk.   Volunteer at a homeless shelter.  Do something that helps someone.

That would require effort.  Michael doesn't do "effort." 

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 10:04:59 AM   
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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 10:05:17 AM   
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For "everyone"?   Not quite.  Besides, if not getting to watch your 2 hours of mindless programming on the tube is enough to ruin your evening, then you need to reassess your priorities in life.   Read  a book.  Take a walk.   Volunteer at a homeless shelter.  Do something that helps someone.

That would require effort.  Michael doesn't do "effort." 

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Yes, I've noticed.  

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 10:13:13 AM   
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try taking care of a disabled gf day in and day out and tell me about effort. **leaves forum before MODs step in**


EVERYONE copes with a lot of demands our time, effort, and energy, between job, family, and everything else that makes demands on us - and yet we still have the time and energy to care about the world that we live in.

We only get one world.  We're all responsible for taking care of it.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 10:23:09 AM   
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Most alarming is when she stated the VP office needed more power and that she would not talk to the media until after the election.  This is very troubling to me. 



And nary a word on this from the supporters.

These views are the result of her 34 year affiliation with a religious sect that believes in dominionism. Its not that they simply dont believe in the seperation of church and state, but they believe their church should be the state.

Gosh darn it, where is the national debate on her affiliation with radical religion?

Radical Islam is not the only element with a sleeper cell in this country.



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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 10:26:54 AM   
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Yes, I've noticed. 

He is, however, a virtuoso at concocting excuses. 

Anywho...  I don't think there was a clear winner of that debate, because it wasn't really a debate.  Biden made it through without coming off as the heavy and Palin managed to survive without sounding too much like Miss Teen South Carolina.  Nothing earth-shattering there.  Gwen should have had a buzzer wired to each of them so she could zap them when they took a left turn and went into talking point mode rather than answering the questions they were asked, but I don't think viewers really learned much about either of them from this meeting.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 11:09:18 AM   
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Gwen should have had a buzzer wired to each of them so she could zap them when they took a left turn and went into talking point mode rather than answering the questions they were asked.

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I would have paid to see that!  Might have kept the debate on point.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 11:09:34 AM   
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I think the fact that she STILL didn't know the basics about the job, as defined by Article One of the US Constitution, was the most disturbing "gaffe" of the evening. Sorry, but anyone who can read at a fourth grade civics level should know that : a) the VP is part of the executive branch, and b) that the only Constitutional duty of the VP office is to break a tie vote in the senate. Period.

Only "Darth Vader" Cheany and his dark minions seem to be of the opinion that the VP is, to their minds, a "Secondary President" that does not have to conform to basic political process, or checks and balances... Although we can't be sure about McCain, it DOES seem that Palin is looking forward to giving us "more of the same" in regard to the Office of the VP. (Only this time, it'll be a Moose hunt, rather than a flightless bird hunt. LOL) I wonder if she'll be required, as VP to have a pacemaker put in, like Dick has, so that she can be better controlled by her masters? Sort of like the "heart plugs" used by House Harkonen in the novel "Dune."

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 11:27:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Michael, you are welcome to find something else to waste your time on. Really.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 11:33:15 AM   
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I think I liked the health care topic the best.

We want to give you 5 grand to get your own health coverage, but most middle and lower class families wont be able to afford the premium for more than that 5 grand will cover. And realistically, that 5 grand will most likely go to something like paying for gas to get to work, or to heat a home before it will go into buying health care.


Yeah, let's not forget that those of us who get health insurance through our employers are gonna get kicked in the crotch when McCain taxes our health benefits.  Employers will start dropping coverage, and due to health factors both my daughter and I are uninsurable outside of employer health plans.  I still think the best option for health care would be to open up the federal employee benefit program to every American who wants it.  My mom has it for less than $50 a month and it's fantastic coverage.  The really, truly poor could get some help paying their portion of the premiums and hospitals would fare much better knowing they are going to get paid for the care they provide.  Good all around, imo.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 11:35:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly, having seen the ugliness of health insurance from the inside, the best is group coverage. Take that away and it gets really ugly, really fast.


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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 11:35:56 AM   
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In my humble opinion Sarah Palin hit the nail squarely on the head when she pointed out (in effect) that as a candidate during the Democratic primary Biden himself reaffirmed his long-held opinion that Obama lacks the experience and judgment to be POTUS.  Although Sarah Palin didn't point this out, also as a candidate during the Democratic primary Hillary Clinton, whom most Democrats profess is the most experienced and smartest female politician in America, also said Obama lacks the experience and judgment to be POTUS.  Finally, during the Democratic primary I also recall Bill Clinton, whom most Democrats profess is the smartest President in modern history, also said Obama isn't ready to be POTUS.

Given the above it's absolutely, completely, totally and utterly incredible how anyone can actually believe that Obama has the experience and judgment, and is ready to be POTUS.


Um, they said what they said because they were COMPETING with him to become the presidential nominee for their party.  They aren't going to say he's ready when he's insanely charismatic and connects with voters...they might as well had just forfeited.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 11:38:18 AM   
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from what i hear (see) seems the debate fits right in on the "mindless" factor of late-night TV


.......only if you think that American Idol is as important as a general election.........those that do not engage in political debate and thought are doomed to be victims of politics. You clearly reject all attempts to engage you in constructive debate, therefore next time you whinge about something political i shall call you a hypocrite.

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RE: So what did you think of the debate? - 10/3/2008 12:47:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		...and one other thing... some of you voiced suspicion that Biden's "choking up" when talking about his late wife and kids was just for "dramatic effect." Well, okay... so then Palin's family rushing the stage and virtually lobbing the special needs baby to Sarah, before the cameras cut away, wasn't ALSO a political stunt? Oh, look at her! She's a Mom! You can't tell me that they couldn't have held onto the kid for a few moments longer until all the bruhaha of the post debate handshaking and backslapping was over...

Exploiting her own Downs Syndrome kid, just for political effect... disgusting.

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