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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/14/2008 1:51:39 PM

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The government getting into the business of sex isn't new.

If you want a bit of personal history on it, I recommend Steven Toushin's book "The Destruction of the Moral Fabric of America".

Steven is a great guy but he is in this to make money and to push boundaries and he's come up against the law several times.

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/15/2008 4:58:27 PM

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Max Hardcore has a bad rep of forcing girls to go way beyond what they agreed to in their contracts. *shrug* He's a little bitch.

He's not the only one either, it is endemic in the porn industry, especially with "new recruits". What I find distrubing is the way the case was brought in a state where it would seem the prosecution would get a conviction. Irrespective of how odious the man I do hope he wins any subsequent appeals.

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/16/2008 2:14:21 PM

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you know was the last porn made by MaxHardcore like in the 90's talk about beeting a dead horse, I for one love Max hard core vido's, but come on IT ATCTING!!!! the girls or playing dume whores... all I can say it onley a matter of time befor they or knocking on or dore and most in the life stiles dont seem to give a shit!

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/16/2008 4:04:19 PM

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What I find distrubing is the way the case was brought in a state where it would seem the prosecution would get a conviction

I wouldent go bashing the city of Tampa too quickly. Voyeur Dorm v. City of Tampa was one of the best most positive things to happen to internet porn in the past 10 years. If it were actualy true that the government went around cherry picking juristiction, I doubt they would intentionaly choose the same city that had previously given then a giant black eye in regards to porn law.

I havent looked into that one aspect that closely but I would suspect the case of juristiction was kind of like an internet casino putting their web server on an indian reservation then claiming 'wherever the web server is located is where the legal juristiction is'.

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/18/2008 4:27:31 PM

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/18/2008 4:37:55 PM

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I know you don't care much about mass media, but the L.A. times said (in a very matter-of-fact way)

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Justice Department spokesman said the prosecution was an outgrowth of a government anti-obscenity initiative started in 2001 under former U.S. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft.

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/01/local/me-porn1

Well, since everyone seems to be ignoring the real actual danger in favor of the panic induced hysteria of 'the close minded prudes in government hate sex' line I might as well jump on board .....

You do realize that this is second time that MaxHardcore was taken to federal court? The first time was in 1998 under 'child porn' charges. I guess this proves that John Ashcroft is a renegade time traveler?

Ashcroft went after adult actresses acting like little girls in Max Hardcore films. That’s why all adult sites with live performers or models in photos have to have 2257 Law notices about keeping the models actual age on record. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZS.html Ashcroft was actually defeated in his first go at max hardcore and it was found to be unconstitutional the idea of making adults acting underage to be made into kiddy porn

The judge ruling on the case said movies like Blue Lagoon and American Beauty would be open to child porn persecution if the law was enforceable. Max Hardcore has complicated his 2nd case with a DUI but his lawyer claimed Sadomasochism was the main target of the government carrying the heaviest penalties.

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/18/2008 7:40:00 PM

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Ashcroft went after adult actresses acting like little girls in Max Hardcore films. That’s why all adult sites with live performers or models in photos have to have 2257 Law notices about keeping the models actual age on record. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-795.ZS.html Ashcroft was actually defeated in his first go at max hardcore and it was found to be unconstitutional the idea of making adults acting underage to be made into kiddy porn

The judge ruling on the case said movies like Blue Lagoon and American Beauty would be open to child porn persecution if the law was enforceable. Max Hardcore has complicated his 2nd case with a DUI but his lawyer claimed Sadomasochism was the main target of the government carrying the heaviest penalties.

The 'child porn' charges were filed in 1998. Ashcroft was US attorney general from 2001 through 2005. You either have a profound lack of understanding of the julian calendar, or you actualy do believe that Ashcroft is a renegade time travler.

And as long as your pulling out 2257 regulations, you do know that those were put into law back in 1988 shortly after it was discovered that Tracy Lords had been preforming in adult films while underage. Just in case that still dosent make sense, maybee I should specificly state that the year 1988 did not occur inbetween the years 2001 and 2005.

Maybee people actualy DO think Ashcroft is a renegade time travler.

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/25/2008 7:10:55 AM

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Thanks for posting the link HungryTiger. I am a lawyer of many years experience and wanted to suggest to the readers here several things. The most important lesson here is that the jury did not do it's job: Three jurors told the defense they did not want to convict, but voted to anyway. Because they couldn't fade the heat for a few hours, they condemned a fellow citizen to years in prison, loss of property, ruin. All they had to do was hold out and deadlock that jury. What wimps. This why we have the right of jury trial in criminal cases people; it's a final check on the power of government officials, and you must be ready to exercise that power, that final veto, if you serve as a juror. Don't let them confuse and confound you with the law if you know the verdict is not justice.

That said, I'd point out to others that the federal obscenity statutes are quite old and very vague and literally could be used to put any porn maker, seller, trader, etc. in prison. they're antiquated holdovers from a by-gone era. But they're still on the books and they're used selectively by certain federal prosecutors in certain federal districts to shut down anyone they please. This kind of prosecution is one of many over the years. It's nothing new, but it IS high time to get the laws changed. Good luck with that, since the headlines will scream you want to "legalize obscenity." What's obscene to one person is arousing to another, and I take issue with the idiot who said that max hardcore's humiliation stuff is meant to be offensive: Humiliation play is not offensive to those that like it, moron. And plenty of us do.

Regarding assaults, always remember that there is no an assault if it was consented to. This is why they can beat each other up in various sports. Some states, like mine, refuse to allow you to consent to 'serious bodily injury,' --which has a slippery defnition--so you cannot consent to broken bones i suppose, but you'll notice that happens all the time in professional sports. In my opinion there is a double standard applied to ordinary citizens and professional sports players that you cannot reconcile and the law does not condone. It's just that we the people allow our prosecutors, judges, and police to do it.

Lastly, the bdsm crowd needs to know that there is certain legal risk to their fun. I've seen consensual bdsm used offensively in family law court to portray one or the other party as a vile abuser, when it shouldn't matter because again, it was consented to. I've seen criminal prosecutions use consensual bdsm activities to get convictions for domestic abuse. The majority of people out there do not and never will understand bdsm and as a result, you got to be careful. Whenever I tape anything, I make my subject state on the tape she likes and wants and consents to what i'm doing to her.

And please, if you ever sit on a jury, remember your role and your power to return an acquittal under any circumstances without having to explain yourself!

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/26/2008 1:42:47 PM

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I had no idea people were still prosecuted for porn unless it was kiddie porn. Amazing, especially the part about it "not being about consenting adults".
The part about "it gives mainstream porn a bad name" never knew porn had a "good name"??????
Wonder where the judge came from????

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/26/2008 4:18:46 PM

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Wonder where the judge came from????

http://www.flmd.uscourts.gov/judicialInfo/Tampa/JgBucklew.htm

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/27/2008 11:07:07 AM

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you do have to keep in mind he more or less going in to jell for mall ford... wich all and all make it even more odd

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/27/2008 11:13:54 AM

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I rather like his work and always have. Sadly this isn't even his fault. The computer oders that were processed were allowed to be shipped to Flordia and they weren't supposed to. What is really sad is that the Judge has ruled the other way on 4 other IDENTICAL situations when it came to Internet Sales, I believe she just doesn't care for Paul's Work. The Jury were led as if on collars to make the call I would be appealing this charge to the supreme court as freedom of Press and Speach should prevail on this subject.

The Morality of the issue is fine but you have to understand NO ONE who did not WANT the Product RECIEVED IT. They were Ordered and THAT is why they were sent.

I lilve in UTAH where ALL PORN is BAD I can't get much stuff in St George so I have to drive to Vegas and pick up stuff I have Distributors Order for me.

Sad.... Really Sad

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 10/27/2008 1:23:47 PM

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The computer oders that were processed were allowed to be shipped to Flordia and they weren't supposed to.

THANK YOU!

Glad to know someone out there is actually clued in. The endless reciting of 'miller test miller test miller test' while people ignore the real dangers was starting to get me depressed.

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 11/12/2008 11:25:07 PM

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IIRC, this case has been going on for years cause the Bush DOJ made it a priority to make some examples of pornographers. Max Hardcore was interviewed in Reason and his take at the time was that he was basically going to burn through a 300k, probably get convicted by some jury in Pittsburg, then appeal a few levels before finally having the whole thing get thrown out on 1st ammendment grounds.

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RE: Federal Conviction for Hardcore Porn Producer - 11/13/2008 4:27:47 AM

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Thats just the problem with this kind of stuff. The news and information is filtered through faulty human memory and theirfore has a built in bias to it. For someone convinced that 'Bush = Hitler' they are prone to remember and repeat those items that confirm their beliefs.

Just in your one post alone Im spoting indications that your mixing up at least four difrent and seperate news items ..... 1) The Max Hardcore trial of 1998 2) The max hardcore trial of 2005 3) The Rob Zicari trial of 2003 4) The Gonzales misquote from 2005

Now if I went to the trouble of disentangling all these issues, it is doubtful that any effort I go to would be worth while. What I say would just be dismissed with something like 'You are just one of those right wingers who take yoru marching orderts from fox news' or something like that. And on the off chance I was able to explain it all, it would never get repeated and passed alone. But the paranoia of us living in a puriticinal police state woudl get repeated over and over and over and over and over.

Wikiality. Truth is not what happened. Truth is whatever the most number of people repeate to each other.

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