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Guns Yes or No


Guns are great and usefull tolls
  40% (18)
Guns are ok
  6% (3)
Guns are evil and useless
  0% (0)
Gun laws are ok as they are
  4% (2)
Gun laws need to be tougher
  18% (8)
Gun laws need to be relaxed
  15% (7)
Guns (all or only some) should be banned
  13% (6)


Total Votes : 44
(last vote on : 1/11/2006 7:57:05 PM)
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FangsNfeet -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/6/2005 11:11:14 PM)

Darn, I forgot to mention a few things about our USA presidental assassinations and attempts. All the assassins used guns in to complete or attempt the killings. However:

Lincoln could have been stabed or even just have had his kneck twisted to break.

JFK could have been taken out by a bow.

Reagan could have been hit by a blow dart.

McKinley and Garfield could have been taken out in similar ways since the assassins were in close enough range to use just about any method of bombs/gas, needles/stabs, poisons, and such.

Even if Guns never existed, I conclude these deaths and attempts would have not only still have happened, but would have also been more successful. Reagan and Brady would have been dead rather than wounded.




ragdoll -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/6/2005 11:44:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: michaelMI

i think the world would be a safer place if they replaced all firearms with dildos. (did someone once say, "Make Love, Not War"?)[:D]


Yay.




Wolf1020 -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/7/2005 12:08:58 AM)

quote:

How many times have you defended yourself with your gun? Lots? If so, I'd suggest you might want to make some basic changes in how you're living. I've lived and worked in some really scary places and never been in a situation where I needed a gun. I've made it through 54 years so far, and expect to muddle through a few more decades. Somehow, I manage to go through life unafraid, even though I am gunless. Can you imagine that?

None, but I have never had to call the police for a break in either. I keep self defense guns for the same reason I keep a condom on me. Likely wont need it (least not the condom with my luck lately) but I would rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it. And I am not afraid, has nothing to do with being afraid or otherwise, it has to do though with taking care of myself. When it comes down to it I trust my gun and myself to protect me from a criminal more then I do a cop.

quote:

Also, how do you know most private gun owners are better shots? Not that it matters

Mostly personal opinion. But also just general studying of behavior. Many police who aren't private gun owners themselves don't shoot outside of qualifying. I'm not saying they are all terrible shots, but in general private gun owners shoot better. Go to a shooting match where the cops have a team, bet you ten bucks that in at least two out of three matches (involving all different teams) the cops team is spanked. Cops ammunition is rationed. If they use it all up they aren't allowed more without getting a serious reaming unless they pay for it out of pocket...few do that aren't private gun owners.

quote:

"Irresponsible adults allowed a kid to be irresponsible with a gun that ended in the childs death"

While it is sad, accidental deaths from guns is low it is more the media hypes as many of them as possible. More kids probably die by tripping down the stairs then they do from accidentally shooting themselves with a gun. I also think a lot of those that do happen come from people who hide the gun away like a dirty secret next to mommies "back massager". I know people who grew up on farms and started shooting 22's at the age of five, and were handling them unsupervised before ten. Only one had an accident and that was his friend who accidentally shot himself in the foot. Education prevents accidents IMO not hiding things.

quote:

, then let's remind them that Cars, airplanes, boats, knives, base balls, bats, lakes, swimming pools, bridges, electrical equipment, buildings, and etc etc etc... also kill people and should be band by everybody.

Actually each (cars especially) kill more people then accidental guns do. And you say earlier one of the most fundamental points to people with common sense- if you want to kill someone you can without a gun. Maybe it is magic.

quote:

i think the world would be a safer place if they replaced all firearms with dildos

I think the world would be a safer place if we updated a medieval English law. All male citizens between certain ages should be required to do two hours of practice per week in handguns and a long gun of their choice.

quote:

Even if Guns never existed, I conclude these deaths and attempts would have not only still have happened, but would have also been more successful. Reagan and Brady would have been dead rather than wounded.

Happened plenty pre-gun. Ceaser anyone?





brightspot -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/7/2005 1:05:00 AM)

Gun laws, I think are just as useful and effective as prohibition, laws against prostitution and abortion,
banning illegal substances, no eating meat during lent, etc.

People, if they are determined, will find a way to kill, drink alcohol, use their drugs
of choice or addiction, rid themselves of unwanted children, sneak their meat and get fucked everyway imaginable even if they have to pay for it. The point in IMO is moot.


*Brightspot




pantera -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/7/2005 3:06:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesertRat

I'm not a great lover of cops, but I'd much rather have them show up at my house with guns than you...or my neighbor...or Charlton Heston...or...LOL...Ted Nugent.

Bob


Why do you need somebody to show up in your house and defend you? You should have a gun yorself...

...

and I like Ted Nugent- guys like him make women feel like they are going to be taken care of- (and that they won't go hungry :))




UtopianRanger -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/7/2005 2:30:06 PM)

I think our forefathers had great insight when they said :Only the citizenry, trained, armed, and organized in the militia, could be depended on to preserve republican liberties for 'themselves'.


- The Ranger




Wolf1020 -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/7/2005 3:09:23 PM)

Exactly UT!

Which is why people should have access to the same weapons as the goverment, no more and no less. You know it wasn't untill 1934 that only the goverment had better weapons then a citzen? And even then it wasn't untill after Korea that a soldiers standard issue was better then anything the population had?

Our founding fathers understood the need for a population as powerful as the goverment. Our goverment though has become self absorbed and so far out of balance with what the founding fathers imagined it isn't even funny.




FemDomHouTx -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/17/2005 11:37:19 AM)

Guns are an equalizing force. I am 5'3", 130lbs and although I can (and have) disarmed an armed assailant with my bare hands, I would greatly prefer to be on equal footing.
All tools provide leverage of some sort to increase the power of the individual using them in a particular situation. Whether turning a bolt, hammering a nail or forcing a 250lb dopehead to chose a different victim.




slaveneedledick -> RE: Guns Yes or No (12/17/2005 2:11:01 PM)

Exactly and the people that say guns kill are wrong. It is the bullets and the people using the guns. I personally think guns are useful tools if used properly.





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