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FTopinMichigan -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/7/2005 12:11:17 PM)

I've enjoyed a few play partners that would put their own collars on, prior to a scene. It was for their own enjoyment. It was "their" collar.

Another man, I was seeing, put his collar on prior to a night of play, and I asked him why he was doing that, as I didn't require it, or request it at the time....he politely asked if I didn't want him to, but I was curious as to why he just placed it on, as if it was what I wanted, without even asking. It was "his" ritual"...not mine. I had no issue with it, as we weren't a couple, and he wasn't my sub. He was only a friend.

He would also wear a chain with a lock when we went to fetish events together. It looked nice, and it was his "jewelry," as well as his own symbol to announce that he was in fact a submissive. The only problem that happened was that many people automatically assumed that we were "together." They came to me, to ask permission to speak to him, when this wasn't, nor has it ever been, a requirement for me, when I'm with a man, at a public function.

The point? And yes, I have one [:D]....you can see that it means so many things to others, from the other posts here, and it meant something different to each man I enjoyed too.

I tend to take the symbolism of it a bit more seriously than just an adornment, or a part of the night's gear though.

Nice that it can be so many things though, to so many people.

K



jamesthehumanrug -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 1:10:55 PM)

greetings i lene cynthia
certainly it is a token
i find embarrassing like wearing underware in public
but it depends on who you're with
i found out it really meant something ,after all
hey what real slave genius you think really did the song
LETS GET SERIOUS
first two guesses dont count, since it was' plagiarized'.....



candystripper -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 4:46:31 PM)

i want one collar (not necessarily one piece of jewelry to symbolise it) for all my life, from my One. To me, it would symbolise a commitment to a much more intimate, trusting relationship than mere marriage entails.

candystripper



KatyLied -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 4:48:53 PM)

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To me, it would symbolise a commitment to a much more intimate, trusting relationship than mere marriage entails.


Nope. Marriage is a civil, legal comittment, recognized by that state. A collar is no such thing.



candystripper -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 5:50:26 PM)

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Nope. Marriage is a civil, legal comittment, recognized by that state. A collar is no such thing.

KatyLied


You are correct; but i meant in terms of what i promised; what my Honor would dictate i fulfill; etc. i actually want both, but feel the collar is the deeper commitment (to me).

candystripper



LadiesBladewing -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 6:19:40 PM)

The key word here is "symbolize", Katy.

Mathematically speaking, it has been proven that artificial intelligence is unlikely to spontaneously generate. The reason for this is because the mathematically structured mind is incapable of assigning symbolism. What this means to humans is that the capacity to take an inanimate object, lines on a page, or pictures on a wall and create -meaning- for them outside of the tangible thing itself is a strictly human characteristic, unable (at this point anyway, with our current understanding of mathematics and physics) to be duplicated in the laboratory.

The other thing that this means is that each of us will see symbols differently. For one, a collar is strictly a symbol of this particular relationship, or even a personal reminder of a certain style of play or headspace for that play. For others, it is a symbol of caring, compassion, protection, control... for another group, it holds the same symbolic meaning as a wedding band -- a life-long commitment to the person on the other end of the leash.

There are many of us who are in relationships that are -every bit- as committed as any marriage out there, and probably more committed than many... and yet we are not "legally sanctioned". The law does not make a commitment "real" or "solid" -- it only makes it legally convenient. What makes a commitment real, and gives strength to the symbols of that commitment is what is inside the individuals involved, and the meaning that they give to the symbols that they carry/wear/give.

Lady Zephyr


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

To me, it would symbolise a commitment to a much more intimate, trusting relationship than mere marriage entails.


Nope. Marriage is a civil, legal comittment, recognized by that state. A collar is no such thing.



AlderTheKitty -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 7:05:54 PM)

i like others think that a collar is a bond and more importantly a bond of honor un like a wedding ring which is a legal bond for me i am bound by my honor which as a sub is the most vable thing i can have because who would want a sub who was disloyal i value my loyalty and honor allot so if i accept a collar i am loyal to that person and as long as it is with in my limits and is SSC i will do allmost any thing they ask of me there are times when i will break down and say no but when i find the domme i am ment to be with and i know she is out there and might be close she will be ready for these break downs and ready to teach me how to over come my demons so the collar is also a symble of trust and i think i started on a rant so i'm gonna stop



KatyLied -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 7:50:12 PM)

Yes, and agreed, as a symbol it can mean what you want it to mean.



Sensualips -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 8:03:35 PM)

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You have made the decision to be with this person the rest of your life. No turning back. No changing your mind, so it must be a very well thought out decision.


Damn, I thought that was what marriage meant too. I was so silly when I was young!

(My sarcasm is not directed at Sub4hire, but at the state of holy matrimony.)



truesub4u -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 8:57:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterFerdinand



A collar, accepted willingly by a slave, placed by her Master symbolizes the bond of Ownership. As long as she wears it, she is aware that she is owned, and she can't slip it off, like a wedding ring. It represents the strongest of mental bonds, the most powerful oath Y/you can take. He has Mastery over her, but also Ultimate responsibility. she willingly accepts that she no longer has the right to make decisions for herself.
Awedding ring however represents a bond of partnership, not Ownership, and can easily be slipped off, or ignored. I think the collar represents the most intimate Bond Y/you can have.



As this is exactly what it means to this one as well. My firs collar was to the Death... (I still miss him very much)... my 2nd was removed as he went back to a vanilla life. I hope.. that should I ever be allowed a 3rd... it will be my last. Because I hate the lost feeling it leaves, when removed. And I too think it's not to be removed, even after death. And mine would not of been, had my freedom not of been part of my first Master's wishes in his LW&T.



Marquisd -> RE: What does a collar mean? (12/12/2005 10:46:09 PM)

To me and only me it means:

HANDS OFF! not yours.

play collar for an evening, without strings

permament collar with attachment = commitment.

different folks different views. If I see someone wearing a collar I respect it as if it was my pet.

cheers

Marquisd



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