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Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 12:19:47 AM

LadyAngelique01

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A story that a female dom shared at the last munch was passed on to me. I'm curious about the damage and don't generally do anal myself, so I figured I'd ask here. The story was shared by the dominant herself.

It seems she was angry at her sub for topping from the bottom. So before dismissing him, she decided to punish him. She grew out her nails, filed them to points and had him come over. While using her hand for anal, she scratched him badly. He had some bleeding for several days.

Wouldn't there be a big concern about infection setting in with this type of "punishment"? What other risks could be involved? I'm concerned because a sub that is a close friend of mine has been considering playing with her.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 12:34:37 AM

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She grew out her nails, filed them to points and had him come over. While using her hand for anal, she scratched him badly. He had some bleeding for several days.

If this is her reaction to being displeased, your sub friend should run the hell the other way, IMO. This person intentionally inflicted damage to a very sensitive area that is prone to infection because her sub "topped from the bottom?" and this right before she "dismissed him?" Holy shit.

Others may disagree, but what would the reaction be if a male Dom ripped up a female submissive's pussy with barbed wire as "punishment" before "dismissing" her? I don't see a difference.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 12:48:35 AM

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No difference at all Wyld Hrt.
Would not recommend getting involved with that "Lady"

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 12:48:44 AM

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That is a dangerous punishment.

She did not discuss it with the sub beforehand nor did she treat him after.

If she hadn't washed her hands in awhile, there should be serious concern about infection. And beyond that, if the tears don't heal right, there could be scars, desensitivity and general anxiety about anything anal--including a simple prostate exam.

If the Domme feels she did nothing wrong, then I would tell the potential/friend to steer clear!

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 1:05:36 AM

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Thank you all for your input. Those were my feelings. I was even more surprised that the other Doms present just went on discussing their favorite punishments. Hopefully my friend will listen.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 4:46:53 AM

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To play devil's advocate here, it's possible that the subbie was interested in that type of play. I'm not saying that it's safe, and if the bitch did that out of sheer vindictiveness, well...you have your answer. But if the guy was the average male subbie blockhead who we see around here sometimes ("Is it safe to have my balls popped?") then he might have been into anal abraison or super-super rough anal play.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 10:07:42 AM

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She's lucky he didn't sue her to cover the medical costs involved in treating the damage done.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 10:16:35 AM

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ExKat - the story didn't make it sound like something he wanted, simply like vindictiveness.
But, let's examine it from the possibility that this was his number 1 fantasy.
This is high risk play. It could flare into problems days or even a couple of weeks after the problem. It might require medical care.
Now, we all decide which things are too much for us - I personally am more a 'RACK' person than an SSC person.

But she did this and then dismissed him. She willingly risked real damage, then removed herself so that she would not be around if he needed help.

That alone makes it inapproprate, even if it would have otherwise been consentual.

I personally do not recomend risky play with a casual play partner, but, tht is a personal decision, like everything else.

But they were not casual play partners when she asked him to submit to this - and THEN she immedeatly removed herself. That alone makes it non-consentual. He submitted, thinking he was in a relationship with her and she would be there to help handle any fall out - and she did it, knowing she had already decided otherwise.

The desire to punish or correct someone does not make blatently nonconsenual activity okay. Honest communication is still required.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/11/2008 3:29:20 PM

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Punishment/revenge/vindication should never be a motive to physically harm someone.

Where was self control??

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/16/2008 9:31:24 AM

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Form what she told the group, there was no consent for what she did. He came over not even knowing there was a punishment coming. She felt it was fine because her subs aren't allowed to have opinions.

Very much not someone I want my sub friends playing with.

edited to add:
Actually this is something that if the doms at munch are ok with, my friends and I will be looking for another munch. I'm going to munch tonight. I'm going to ask her directly if the story I got was accurate. If it is, first thing I'm doing is telling her stay far way from my subs.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/16/2008 9:44:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelique01

Form what she told the group, there was no consent for what she did. He came over not even knowing there was a punishment coming. She felt it was fine because her subs aren't allowed to have opinions.

Very much not someone I want my sub friends playing with.

edited to add:
Actually this is something that if the doms at munch are ok with, my friends and I will be looking for another munch. I'm going to munch tonight. I'm going to ask her directly if the story I got was accurate. If it is, first thing I'm doing is telling her stay far way from my subs.

This kind of thing greatly disturbs me for several reasons. IMO this sub was essentially anally raped by the Domme you speak of. Not only was he physically injured, he was very likely emotionally injured as well.

To me, anal play should be enjoyable and not painful. He's likely going to have difficulty relaxing and enjoying these kinds of activities in the future. As was noted above, the next time he has his prostate examined, he may have an emotional reaction from what occurred. On the really serious side, the Domme risked puncturing the lining of his rectum by what she did, which could have put the man's life at risk by releasing toxic materials into his body. That involves much more than a visit to the ER to treat.

All around this is not someone I consider a responsible woman that I'd have any desire to serve.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/16/2008 4:51:59 PM

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I would be very very wary of a woman like this and would not go anywhere near her.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/17/2008 12:34:02 PM

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Run, do not walk away, imo.
I've chopped (Or, in the heat of necessity bitten) off some pretty nice claws as not to even risk internal anal damage to a partner; to intentionally file one's nails in a fashion as to make more likely perforation of the colon is premeditated intent to do harm.
Not SSC, not RACK (The letters I most personally identify with), but assault.
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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/17/2008 2:09:54 PM

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Yes, there is a high chance of a scratch along the interior walls of the anus and colon to become infected which could lead to serious complications. There could also be a risk that an infection could affect his prostate gland, though that isn't painful, it will cause his seminal fluids to be a dark rusty color indicative of infection. Mild scenario is a mild infection treated with antibiotics, worse case scenario is a severe infection that affects other internal organs.
IMO, that type of punishment is going way overboard though I'd really wonder about a person's mentality if that is what they consider "due" punishment. seems to me there's other ways to punish a sub that isn't a health risk in that manner. YMMV.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/17/2008 11:36:32 PM

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Speaking from a medical view point - this woman is downright dangerous.

The lining in the rectum is extremely fragile and filled with blood vessels and capillaries, not to mention nerve endings. The damage she could have caused is severe. She could have ruptured his colon, first of all (which would have required extensive surgery and a long hospital stay). She could 'simply' cause an infection. I use the term simply extremely lightly, because as mentioned before, all the blood vessels and capillaries send the risk for sepsis (massive infection carried through the blood to all portions of the body) through the damn roof. And worst of all, as many have mentioned, she very well may have damaged him emotionally.

I know what it's like to have someone violate that trust (though thankfully I wasn't physically damaged in the process). To this day I'm stone cold terrified of any kind of anal play, and petrified of anal sex. My Owner, bless Him, is diligently working with me to ease this fear...but honestly, He shouldn't have to, and it irritates the crap out of me that this task falls to Him because someone else was an idiot. This woman needs slapped, in my opinion.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 10/18/2008 6:44:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelique01

A story that a female dom shared at the last munch was passed on to me. I'm curious about the damage and don't generally do anal myself, so I figured I'd ask here. The story was shared by the dominant herself.

It seems she was angry at her sub for topping from the bottom. So before dismissing him, she decided to punish him. She grew out her nails, filed them to points and had him come over. While using her hand for anal, she scratched him badly. He had some bleeding for several days.

Wouldn't there be a big concern about infection setting in with this type of "punishment"? What other risks could be involved? I'm concerned because a sub that is a close friend of mine has been considering playing with her.

What is really scarey is that this was not a knee-jerk reaction in the heat of the moment. This sounds like this was premeditated for some time. I mean she had to grow her nails out and file them AND invite him back over. A "normal" person without any anger management problems would get over it shortly there after.

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RE: Question about anal damage - 11/19/2008 4:20:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: RealSub58

Punishment/revenge/vindication should never be a motive to physically harm someone.

Where was self control??

Not only THAT, but it wasn't a spur of the moment incident done out of anger (which should never be how punishment is handled, but nonetheless) it was thought about, long enough for her to grow out her nails, then file them to points. That kind of thing is "premeditated" in legal terms, and can take a misdemeanor all the way to the top of the felony charts if they can prove it. And she brags about this? Even with a consenting partner that kind of play is risky, and IMO not totally sane. This was done against the poor guy's will.

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