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After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 9:54:59 AM

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I have been choked before and enjoy it, but a couple nights ago it went further than ever. I didn't pass out really, but everything went black for a few seconds. I got a raging headache and my right eye was very swollen. Now, two days later its not as swollen but both my eyes are black. I know asphyxia causes bruising, but is this likely to cause permanent damage?

RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 10:13:29 AM

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http://members.aol.com/Oldrope/breath.htm

(excerpted from the same article by Jay Wiseman)

"...The primary danger of suffocation play is that it is not a condition that gets worse over time (regarding the heart, anyway, it does get worse over time regarding the brain). Rather, what happens is that the more the play is prolonged, the greater the odds that a cardiac arrest will occur. Sometimes even one minute of suffocation can cause this; sometimes even less. ...

In addition to the primary danger of cardiac arrest, there is good evidence to document that there is a very real risk of cumulative brain damage if the practice is repeated often enough. In particular, laboratory studies of repeated brief interruption of blood flow to the brains of animals and studies of people with what's called "sleep apnea syndrome" (in which they stop breathing for up to two minutes while sleeping) document that cumulative brain damage does occur in such cases.

There are many documented additional dangers. These include, but are _not_ limited to: rupture of the windpipe, fracture of the larynx, damage to the blood vessels in the neck, dislodging a fatty plaque in a neck artery which then travels to the brain and causes a stroke, damage to the cervical spine, seizures, airway obstruction by the tongue, and aspiration of vomitus. Additionally, there are documented cases in which the recipient appeared to fully recover but was found dead several hours later. ..."

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 10:18:36 AM

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I have been choked before and enjoy it, but a couple nights ago it went further than ever. I didn't pass out really, but everything went black for a few seconds. I got a raging headache and my right eye was very swollen. Now, two days later its not as swollen but both my eyes are black. I know asphyxia causes bruising, but is this likely to cause permanent damage?

Sorry, but the only thing going through my head right now is DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
You are cutting off oxygen to the brain...YES, it CAN AND HAS caused brain damage...permanant brain damage.

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 11:03:45 AM

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my dad works security at the hospital in his town. he was there the night a man brought in his wife, he'd managed to choke her to death while trying breath play. too late to say "sorry honey!" be very very careful. you hear stories, but my dad saw this with his own two eyes.
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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 1:09:02 PM

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Choking causes small bruises to pop up around my eyes, we do it in moderation. I'm sure if we kept it up, my eyes would eventually go black. :) The headache sounds bad though... maybe give it a rest for a while.

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 2:01:30 PM

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I hope you have preplanned your funeral, and having said that - you might want to handwrite something to say that the two of you are doing this, so if something bad happens, he won't -or maybe, might not end up on the wrong side of the bars.

cut off oxygen to the brain, kill a brain cell or two. How many did you say you had to spare?

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 2:02:37 PM

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Ah how I love it when people bust out the Wiseman URLs for anything relating to breath play and commodio cordis, because they always leave out the #1 rule Jay gives with both... Don't do it!

He is quite opinionated on the subjects, to the point I've seen him publicly ridicule a fellow sex educator that even dared to offer a class on the subject of breath play. While I have great respect for the knowledge he has and imparts to the community at large, I do take all opinions and make my own judgement.

As Lynnxz and others have said there are in deed great risks in breath play and unless you're fully aware of the risks and possibly ways it could go terribly wrong is one edge play that I would caution against. Most everything we do has a risk of injury of one fashion or the other but breath play does have one of the higher risks IMHO. I have done breath play before but only with a partner where there was extreme trust and then it was very carefully brought into the scene.

Be careful, be informed and make judgements that you are able to handle the consequences for making.

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 2:13:33 PM

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Remember, just say five Hail Wisemans and ten Chicken Littles and you will be absolved for committing the sin of breathplay.

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 2:51:49 PM

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Yes, by all means...lets not educate anyone on something that they are going to do in private anyway regardless of whether they have been armed with the truth. Lets just let everyone wander about aimlessly making up their own rules about something that is so dangerous and complex. i understand that we are in the middle of a population explosion crisis...but i hardly think the number of folks who want to practice regular breathplay would be significant enough to relieve the pressure of overpopulation.

Wouldnt it be better to have knowledgeable people giving succinct advice and listing off all the complications that could occur than to have "joe six-pack" (sorry, that has been burned indelibly on my brain...damn sarahpalin) just going off half cocked choking people?

im in healthcare...so the more traumatic brain injuries, the more business for me...but comeon.

Jay is my hero....id so blow him

...but lets get real here and allow for people to be informed and make their own decisions about how they proceed.

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 2:55:01 PM

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It can.

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I know asphyxia causes bruising, but is this likely to cause permanent damage?

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 3:01:20 PM

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I'm a big fan of education. Education is wonderful. Saying "that's dangerous and you're going to die doing it" is not.

I just wish that people would more often try to accomplish "A" without resorting to "B".

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 3:22:18 PM

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Zactly....yes indeed. Same with sex education and safer sex practices being taught in school....People who are informed make better decisions about dangerous and life altering activities than those who are left to make up their own rules as they go along.

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/14/2008 7:01:23 PM

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Reminds me of this book on drug use called, I think, Buzzed. Doesn't advocate for or against drug use, but combines scientific research with anecdotal evidence on a huge variety of drugs and lets you decide whether or not you're willing to take the risk.

No pun intended, but sometimes you've got to give people enough rope to hang themselves...or climb out.

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/15/2008 2:51:07 PM

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VS - you are talking about genetic selection in action - a great way to improve the gene pool!

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/16/2008 5:41:37 AM

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quote:

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Ah how I love it when people bust out the Wiseman URLs for anything relating to breath play and commodio cordis, because they always leave out the #1 rule Jay gives with both... Don't do it!

Actually, this is what he states in the same article:
"I'm not going to state that breath control is something that nobody should ever do under any circumstances. I have no problem with informed, freely consenting people taking any degree of risk they wish. I am going to state that there is a great deal of ignorance regarding what actually happens to a body when it's suffocated or strangled, and that the actual degree of risk associated with these practices is far greater than most people believe. "

He is quite opinionated on the subjects, to the point I've seen him publicly ridicule a fellow sex educator that even dared to offer a class on the subject of breath play. While I have great respect for the knowledge he has and imparts to the community at large, I do take all opinions and make my own judgement.

I met him at a lunch in March while he was in MA giving a weekend workshop; what he was vocal about regarding breath control play was that many people who teach about it do not know the material they are teaching; for example: in his experience many educators do not understand about how this activity can impact the functioning of the vagus nerve and what those possible effects are.

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RE: After Asphyxia - 10/16/2008 7:58:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cyis75

Ah how I love it when people bust out the Wiseman URLs for anything relating to breath play and commodio cordis, because they always leave out the #1 rule Jay gives with both... Don't do it!

Actually, this is what he states in the same article:
"I'm not going to state that breath control is something that nobody should ever do under any circumstances. I have no problem with informed, freely consenting people taking any degree of risk they wish. I am going to state that there is a great deal of ignorance regarding what actually happens to a body when it's suffocated or strangled, and that the actual degree of risk associated with these practices is far greater than most people believe. "

He is quite opinionated on the subjects, to the point I've seen him publicly ridicule a fellow sex educator that even dared to offer a class on the subject of breath play. While I have great respect for the knowledge he has and imparts to the community at large, I do take all opinions and make my own judgement.

I met him at a lunch in March while he was in MA giving a weekend workshop; what he was vocal about regarding breath control play was that many people who teach about it do not know the material they are teaching; for example: in his experience many educators do not understand about how this activity can impact the functioning of the vagus nerve and what those possible effects are.

People also may not know he is an expert witness for criminal cases involving breath play or strangulation. He knows this subject well and he might be opinionated but so are allot of others.

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