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RE: Don't call me _____ - 10/21/2008 12:45:19 PM   
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i'm sure tone and delivery of someone's thoughts account for more than the term used itself, which although not clarified, i'm not speaking in regards to reading your messages on CM, the question is all inclusive.

the real curiosity, and though i hadn't thought over what i was wondering about well enough to phrase it quite so clear in the initial post... the replies helped me wrap my head around how to better ask my question.

it a situation where you feel sincerity is absolutely present, and you are complimented or praised in any fashion, manner, or extent... are there compliments [regardless of the wording] that offend you, or that you simply dislike?

it's not whether they call you cute [or anything else], or that they call you that when you're 7, 24, or 90, and it's completely regardless of in what time of knowing you they choose to say it; the question is, does it bother you that they think of/see you in this manner.  for example, if i called a random mistress cute, it is not of my concern [within this topic] if she dislikes it because she thinks i'm sucking up, trying to get in her pants from flattery, or anything else, my concern is whether or not she thinks to herself something along the lines of "fuck you, i'm not cute, i'm too much of a bad mamma jamma domme to be cute".  now i know i could get into another line of territory by asking 'do you just smile and nod your head or do you let people know', but that's not my real interest. 

keep in mind i'm not just saying bothered by the general 'how people see me' i'm talking literal compliments; are you ever displeased to be told things that you should be happy to hear, things people say because they want you to know it makes them happy in some way, and not just because you take it the wrong way?

it's like that hapless person that walks up to some 8 year old and say's "well aren't you just the cutest kid i've ever seen" only to have them cut back at them with "i'm not a kid, i'm 8 years old!".  the issue there is they don't like being seen as a kid, not that they didn't like the compliment of being seen as cute, and that's what i'm interested in.

i don't think theres likely to be any 'wrong' answers in how someone wants others to look upon them, i'm just curious as to whether it bothers people to be complimented sincerely, just not in the way they others to see them, and if that's the case, what are those things? 

myself, i take pretty much any compliment and feel just peachy about it; that goes for remarks of my looks, actions, achievements; personal or professional... and i don't take people complimenting my looks in general to mean they are shallow and inconcerned with the rest of me, or that they are just trying to butter me up anymore than i take people complimenting my writing or art as meaning they want to comission me to do work for them.

a few posts touched on it pretty well, such as being seen as 'adorable' was not pleasant in one case; but most replies seem centered around the belief that maybe i'm just curious if certain forms of flattery aren't well received, or if it's not the best thing to say.  couldn't be any further from the case, and i'll keep giving random people and those close to me as many compliments as i do now, and i do give compliments to so many people; yes even to if not especially those regarding their looks, and to people that i have no interest in pursuing a relationship with.  appearance is the first relation i have of people, and i can't be commenting on things i do not know about unless i truly am just trying to kiss their ass for one reason or another, so compliments on personality and so forth have to wait, but i don't wait to compliment them on looks until i can comliment them on something else as well.

i'm very visual, and very adoring of all sorts of people and things, but in regards to being "creepy" i'm not going to tell someone i've yet to speak to "i've stared at you/your photo for _____ amount of time because you're so pweetty", or that they strike me in such a way i'd really like to draw their portrait... i just want to tell them of my fondness for whatever aspect has my attention, yet usually when i feel such a strong desire to pay people a compliment, i either have no idea what to say, or figure it will be meaningless due to how often they are told it, regarding looks or anything else i might compliment them on.  how many times do you think your favorite author has been told by random people "i love your writing", but does that stop you from still wanting to tell them so as well?

i can honestly say i don't care if someone sees my words as meaningless very much, i care much more if it has the opposite effect that a compliment is intended to carry. 

so in a nutshell, i still can't word this very concisely and have another lengthy post, but maybe this all helps decipher my mind a bit more. 

"i think you're cute, but does it bother you that i do?" that scenario is all it boils down to basically.

perhaps i shall just stick to my safe word and describe everyone and everything as "lovely".

you're lovely
your house is lovely
what a lovely sense of humor you have
oh tea? lovely!



...talk to you later cuties =p

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RE: Don't call me _____ - 10/21/2008 1:05:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hopelesslyInvo

keep in mind i'm not just saying bothered by the general 'how people see me' i'm talking literal compliments; are you ever displeased to be told things that you should be happy to hear, things people say because they want you to know it makes them happy in some way, and not just because you take it the wrong way?



I think this part speaks about something I think most about.

The part where you say... are you ever displeased to be told things you should be happy to hear.  I think to know what someone would be happy to hear, would mean you know them well enough to know they would be happy to hear whatever it is you wish to say.  Without knowing them, you are assuming they wish to hear it and that 'should' is something that brings back a lot of things people have said to me and I know they felt I 'should' be happy to hear whatever it was, but most often it wasn't something I really found real worth in.  Then they would get upset that I didn't respond the way they thought I should and my response wasn't what they expected or wanted.  They did have a purpose and motive in saying what they did and most often it wasn't to please me so much as to work me into a happy they felt I should feel in the words, so that they could get what they wanted out of my happy.

I see pleasing... as not self motivated and more of a gift rather than a give and take of something.  I wonderful gift of words shouldn't be something like a gift that keeps on giving to the person giving the gift.  Give me something that means something and that doesn't require my 'thanks' in a return of some sort.  And that gift should be something I wish to receive, not something that someone expects me to like simply because they offer it up.  Now, don't get me wrong.  I love a gift and I love giving them and I can appreciate someone trying and giving a gift even of something I don't like if they give that gift from a pure heart... one that isn't expecting a certain outcome.

A gift of a compliment even one I am not really into is a gift only if it is given without expectation.  Somone who knows me, knows what I like and don't like and I don't like pretty words that mean little in the long run.  That pretty needs to shine above others and come from a wonderful and sincere place before I see it as welcome.

Edit... I perfere someone to get to know me before they compliment me.  Let's get to know each other without compliments and save them for later when they are more valuable and meaningful.

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RE: Don't call me _____ - 10/21/2008 2:12:46 PM   
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LOL..I did not even finish the sentence about I think she is hot, and knew what was coming!  What "were" you thinking????  You could have picked out a hundred other adjectives and gotten off  without getting hammered. 
HOT means HOT....Next time, if this should happen again, think!   LOL.....to funny
Cute to me is an endearing term.  Hot, is more of a lust term.

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RE: Don't call me _____ - 10/21/2008 2:15:12 PM   
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would you be happier if i called you honey, dude, chicken, love darling etc, that keeps it informal and you strike me as kind of wanting to be easy going communication wise at any rate
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RE: Don't call me _____ - 10/21/2008 2:45:38 PM   
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LOL..I did not even finish the sentence about I think she is hot, and knew what was coming!  What "were" you thinking????  You could have picked out a hundred other adjectives and gotten off  without getting hammered. 
HOT means HOT....Next time, if this should happen again, think!   LOL.....to funny
Cute to me is an endearing term.  Hot, is more of a lust term.


it was multiple choice, cute and hot being the only ones.  when i was talking about this sort of curiosity with her, she believed there is only 2 types of people cute ones, and hot ones.  that's not to say you think they're hot or cute, it's more in which way they the present themselves; sort of a liberal or conservative sort of thing.

besides, i warned her of my honesty, and the reason we started talking in the first place was because she was trying to 'hook me up' with her sister as a favor to her.  go figure.


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RE: Don't call me _____ - 10/22/2008 12:22:21 PM   
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M!!!  Where ya BEEN?    Good to see you.  :)
It's good to see you too.   M

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RE: Don't call me _____ - 10/22/2008 3:44:52 PM   
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Once I was sitting doing something. I don't remember what it was. And out of nowhere my domme says:

Her: Don't call me daughter
Me: <thinking> Daughter? Did I call her daughter? Daughter, Mistress, Daughter, Mistress. Do they sound alike when I say it?
Her: Not fit to
Me: <thinking> Not fit to be? But I didn't call her daughter. And what's this about not being fit to be? I'm so absolutely perfect. What does she mean?
Her: The picture kept will remind me..
Me; <thinking> what picture? Did I take a picture that didn't come out right? Her eyes were closed? It was taken looking up at her and the flash illuminated the inside of her nose? Something like that?

And then I realized that she was just singing Pearl Jam. So I went back to doing whatever I was doing. I don't remember what it was.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Don't call me _____ - 10/22/2008 5:52:17 PM   
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While I identify as switch, I figured I'd chime in here. 
First off, you mentioned calling someone you were dating cute and their sister hot.  Okay, I really pridemyself on limiting my bouts of chickeyness but I think that most would agree that hot supercedes cute.  Your error there, imo. 
I don't have a problem, in theory, with being called cute, hot, or any other positive thing, though gracefully accepting a compliment isn't always the easiest thing. 
As far as compliments: some males who wish to sub instantaneously call any female Ma'am, Mistress, Goddess, or some such.  Few things about this: 1)Of those, the only one I personally like is Mistress and only one person has earned the right to call me that ever.  Anyone else is taking liberties 2)Taking liberties: it's an intimacy, imo, to call someone an honorific and people who haven't earned the right to do so demean the term, and are presuming an intimacy that isn't there or the opportunity to use an honorific would have already been granted 3)If you're presuming to do so, you haven't been instructed asked and, imo, a sub ought to know what their Dom(-me) wishes to be called and comply. 
As far as other compliments, < shrug >.  I wouldn't necessarily take umbrage unless someone were laying it on too thick, disobeying some sort of guideline (Ie: I wish your silence, etc.), etc. 
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