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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/22/2008 4:35:55 PM   
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For those of you who have learned nothing at all about yourselves, why is that?

Probably because I don't really invest myself in these boards.  To learn something about yourself, you've got to be involved in the situation or circumstances... here... I'm just not.  I learn about myself almost everyday offline, out there in the real world dealing with my job, businesses, friends and family.  Today I learned that how much a value the friendship of one person... and where some of my limits are when the pressure is really on.

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And, for those of you who seem to have nothing but negative experiences here, why are you still here?

Not all my experiences here have been negative... most of the time I find a lot of people on here to be either very negatives or very screwed up or both.  But to tell the truth most of this just amuses the hell out of me.  You people are just so damn funny.  Besides... here I don't have to care... I don't have to be emotionally involved.  I can talk to other people and not have to get involved in their lives or problems... I can offer advice and have no strings attached to it.  Best of all, when it stops being amusing I can just skip away...  unlike my real life where I have to deal with tons of problems everyday, too many of which don't have any good solutions and where everything has very real consequences and far too many strings attached.

To tell the truth... I don't give a flying fuck about most of you, you're blips on the screen to me, people who I will probably never meet.  Strangely, it helps keep me sane.

Life's funny that way.

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/22/2008 5:27:27 PM   
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1.  Few people understand the reality that we are all judgmental and that even when people agree it is still a judgment.
 
2. That ya can’t win no matter what—this isn’t submissive enough, that isn’t dominant enough, if you agree with the majority you are sheep and if you don’t agree you are just…disagreeable.
 
3.  And I like it here, overall.

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/22/2008 5:37:51 PM   
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i learned there's a whole lot of pussies that masquerade as men on this site and vice-versa.

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/22/2008 5:59:26 PM   
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Well this is scary... we agreed on two things in one day... what were the odds of THAT ever happening?

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/22/2008 6:12:53 PM   
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Well this is scary... we agreed on two things in one day... what were the odds of THAT ever happening?




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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/22/2008 7:25:46 PM   
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For those of you who have learned nothing at all about yourselves, why is that?


I have learned that my time is more productively spent elsewhere if I want to learn about myself. I have learned quite a bit about myself over the last two and a half years... but not from CM... just from life.

I will say this board opened up many discussions that when I spoke with my Daddy about them we learned a lot about each other


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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/22/2008 9:59:04 PM   
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i don't really read the message boards enough to feel i have learned anything from them.
As you already know MissTress.

i learn, or hopefully we all learn, from life itself.

i have learned to accept myself as i am and to be honest with myself, not always so easy.
i have learned that one cannot change a person. A person can only change themselves.
i have learned to let go and accept the things i cannot change.
i have learned that sometimes it is best to keep ones mouth shut and that a wise person knows when that 'sometimes' is.

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/23/2008 8:05:47 AM   
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I have learned that I have pretty good instincts.

I have learned that I am actually pretty good at expressing myself in a written environment.

I have learned that I like sharing my thoughts and opinions with others for the random times that it strikes a chord with someone and helps them in some small way.

I have learned to block out the bad and focus on the good that I gain from this board and for that I enjoy being here.

I have also learned not to let Miss Tress near me when she has a hammer in her hand  *eg*

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/23/2008 9:19:53 AM   
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Until I came to this board...I ONLY thought....I knew how to spell *true*...
 
 

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/23/2008 9:59:05 AM   
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In my journey on these boards I remember why I stopped posting the on here.  When ppl don't agree with posts they resort to personal attacks.  Life it far to short to tolerate simple minded folks like that.

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/23/2008 11:52:40 AM   
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I'm not sure if I've learned new things, specifically, but reading and replying to these threads has given me a chance to, A) appreciate experiences that I've had and people I've known in the past, and, B) think about how I'd like to shape my relationships now and in the future.

So, I could say that it "teaches" me appreciation (or at least it gives me an opportunity to reflect on things appreciatively), and helps me bring into sharper focus the way that I'd like to experiment with things in the present or future.

One example are the various ritual and protocol threads. I'd like to work and play and generally pay more attention to certain kinds of ritual and protocol in my relationships in the future.

There are dozens of people (posting both pro and con - sometimes within the same thread) who have posted things on these boards that have struck me and helped bring a certain kind of clarity to an idea or two.

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/24/2008 7:09:39 PM   
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i've learned what the word "munch" means. 

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/24/2008 7:26:21 PM   
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I don't make a habit of this, but thought that an article I wrote a while back was particularly germaine to this thread.  Anyway, it's entertaining.
 
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From There To Here…
… and what I’ve learned along the way.
by Rover
Copyright 2007
 
 

 I’ve learned that the beliefs I once held and professed seem pretty silly today.  When it seems that I’m unfairly picking on someone else’s silly beliefs, keep in mind that I recognize them from personal experience and that I’ll be the first to admit it.  Keeping my yap shut does no good to those that must go through the same process of consideration, contemplation and evolution.  It’s not healthy (nor possible) to stick everyone in some sort of cocoon that protects them from ideas and opinions that challenge their own. 

I’ve learned that despite all the perceived distinctions that exist between Leather lifestylers and vanillas, we’re far more alike than different.  It’s ok to recognize those differences, and even celebrate them; but not to the point that it serves to diminish our “humanness”. 

I’ve learned that BDSM has not descended upon us like the Holy Spirit, imbuing us with qualities that we did not already possess prior to our discovery of Leather.   BDSM has not made us honest if we were not previously trustworthy.  BDSM has not made us communicative where we once had walls.  BDSM has not made us healthy, where once we were “broken”.  In point of fact, BDSM has not “made” us anything.  It’s we who have made BDSM what it is for each of us, individually.

I’ve learned that the majority of Leather leaders are politicians with the fundamental purpose of retaining their perceived power.  They behave with the intention of furthering that objective, not for your benefit as a member of the BDSM community.  And that’s ok, so long as you’re aware of the reality.  That’s not to say that they aren’t “good” and “nice” people.  Just that being human, they place their own self-interests above yours. 

I’ve learned that most of these Leather leaders have more in common with Ronald Reagan than they’d care to admit.  It was Reagan that coined the “11th Commandment” for Republicans… “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican”.  In Leather it’s seen as a necessary demonstration of unity in the face of constant struggle with external forces that mean us harm.  I see it as a “bunker mentality” that ensures the continued exoneration (intentional or inadvertent) of the worst amongst them, thereby contributing to the disparagement of BDSM as a haven for fools and fantasizers, which marginalizes us all.  Of course, it may simply be a defensive posture to retain their perceived “power” within the greater Leather community.

I’ve learned not to trust those that purport to have good reasons to avoid the BDSM community.  Sure, there are exceptions to every rule.  But it’s not in my best interest to pretend that everyone is that exception.

I’ve learned that people have the habit of believing what they are told based upon who is doing the telling, rather than the weight of the logic and veracity of what it is they have to say.  Not because they know the individual the telling and their truthfulness, but because they know the name of the teller, under the misguided notion that the two are interchangeable.

I’ve learned that people are generally lazy, and won’t put forth the effort to educate themselves despite the fact that it’s easier to do in today’s electronic age than at any time in history.  It’s this “consensual ignorance” that the less well intentioned amongst us prey upon.

I’ve learned that Leather has a tradition of not judging other people’s kinks.  But I’ve observed that, over the years, this noble purpose has morphed into the suggestion that we should not judge other people at all.  Frankly, I find this notion silly at best and dangerous at worst.  Remove our ability to judge other people, their behavior, abilities, characteristics, etc. as “good” or “bad” for us (relatively speaking) and we’re no more than compliant idiots to be taken advantage of soon and often. 

I’ve learned that “tolerance” has undergone a similar metamorphosis.  Whereas Leather has a tradition of tolerance as it relates to other people’s kinks, it’s often implied that we must be tolerant of all behaviors and all things.  Reality and logic dictate that there are some things we should not tolerate, either on an individual level or within the greater Leather community. 

I’ve learned that while the internet has become an enormous gateway for the discovery of BDSM, it has not contributed in any great numbers to their active participation in our BDSM communities.   Without any evidence to support my opinion beyond the observational, I can only conclude that for the overwhelming majority of this multitude, BDSM is something they fantasize about and “participate” in online.  Let’s stop buying into their fantasy by perpetuating myths to the contrary.

I’ve learned that a significant number of people (evidently) feel the need to “make” BDSM into something it’s not.  What with all the fantastical Leather histories, wild portrayals of BDSM and its devotees, personal histories, experiences and abilities that are bandied about, I’m left to conclude that a good many lifestylers are either dim-witted fools or desperately in need of something “special” to believe in and be a part of.  It’s my considered opinion that the reality of BDSM is sufficiently “special”, with a glorious history and no need for imaginary elaboration which only serves to marginalize all of BDSM.

I’ve learned that many lifestylers are prone to expressing their opinions as facts, with the expectation that those opinions will enjoy a reception and consideration identical to the facts that contradict them. 

I’ve learned that the portrayal of fantasy as reality is nothing more than a lie.  In our politically correct BDSM culture we tend to dance around calling a lie what it is, often with the caveat that “one person’s fantasy is another’s reality”.  And that’s great if we’re talking about winning the lottery, but not so realistic (or factual) if we’re talking about a BDSM house in Arkansas which traces its history back through 4,000 years of familial membership. 

I’ve learned that a great many lifestylers are selfish, manipulative and exploitative.  Now that’s not so surprising since we’re all human and those are (to one degree or another) universally human traits.  But it certainly contradicts the skeletal pretense that somehow BDSM is “above” (or “beyond”) those human frailties.  Keep that in mind and you’ll find yourself better able to pick and choose what works for you, rather than what works for someone else (committed power exchange relationships excepted).

I’ve learned that I’m nobody’s “bro”.  There’s a reason that bad “hip” lingo died out in the seventies.  I’d have to resist the temptation to bitch-slap my own biological brother if he started using that dated expression.  The fact that we share an interest in BDSM doesn’t mean that much to me, and certainly doesn’t put us on anything approaching kinship terms. 

I’ve learned that theoretically BDSM embraces diversity and tolerance, but that in a practical sense there is an implied (and at times overt) pressure towards conformity and intolerance.  What you say, who you say it about, what you look like, your political persuasion and much more are under attack, often with the tacit approval and/or outright support of “Leather leadership”.  I’m not talking about expressed disagreement or the competition of ideas in the public arena, or even that elusive “respectful” manner in which its expressed, but rather your “right” to have (and express) a competing opinion or idea at all.  That is a fundamental distinction, and one that should concern all of us.

I’ve learned that whoever first distinguished between submissives and slaves by saying “My girl is a slave, yours is ‘just’ a submissive” was a genius.  Sheer genius.

I’ve learned that lifestylers seem obsessed with handing out awards to one another.  So much so that major events can become object lessons in self-masturbatory adulation that devalue and demean the very awards being given.  It’s the politically correct “everyone is a winner” attitude.  Well, in life everyone isn’t always a winner every weekend, and that’s ok.

I’ve learned that there is little to no consensus on the definitions and meanings for everyday BDSM terms, including those that may be fundamental to our self-awareness.  And while there is no BDSM version of the Merriam-Webster dictionary, there are plenty of people who act as though there is (or they are).

I’ve learned that you don’t have to like everyone, and it’s not necessary that everyone likes you.  The trick is to like yourself and to have your friends like you for who you really are.

I’ve learned that, beyond the constraints of a power exchange relationship, a sizeable number of people are not comfortable being themselves… that they think, behave, and look as they imagine other people expect of them.  Be yourself.  No one is better at it than you are.

I’ve learned that many people have no idea why they act as they do or enjoy what they enjoy, and in that vacuum they’re prone to make up reasons in order to give the appearance of rational justification.  It’s enough to say that you do something because you enjoy it.  Who can argue with that?

I’ve learned that it’s impossible to accurately judge BDSM (both the “good” and the “bad” of it) by virtue of a single munch, or even a single region.  There is an enormous amount of diversity of opinion, interests and expectations and since birds of a feather tend to flock together what you see is not representative of the community as a whole.  If what you find at one group doesn’t appeal to you, move on to the next until you find what best suits your needs.  Or consider starting a group of your own… build it and they will come.

I’ve learned that magnificent fantasies sometimes make for crappy realities.  Some things simply cannot be done.  Some things should not be done.  And still others do not enjoy the same appeal that we imagined they would.  It helps to be realistic about fantasies, in order to avoid some embarrassing, disappointing or potentially disastrous consequences.

I’ve learned that despite the freedom to make BDSM whatever works best for you as an individual, there are many people who feel more comfortable seeking out the established customs, behaviors, protocols, etc. of others.  Better yet if they have some real or contrived history to them.  There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, to the extent that these practices are not portrayed as “the one true way” (which is often the case).

I’ve learned that a mutual interest in BDSM is not (often) enough for a sustainable personal relationship.  And while that initial attraction may be strong, it’s not (likely) enough to fill the void if the other elements that make for a “good”  and “healthy” (admittedly relative terms) relationship do not exist. 

I’ve learned that we tend to focus upon the exceptions in BDSM, rather than what we have in common.  That’s particularly true as it relates to power exchange relationships, and in doing so we lose the commonality of what could be shared experiences.  We’re consumed with “possibilities” rather than “probabilities”.

I’ve learned that a great many people will disagree with me, and I’m ok with that.  Doesn’t mean I’m right, or they’re wrong.  Listen to both sides and decide what’s right for you.


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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/25/2008 7:40:38 AM   
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What have you learned?



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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/25/2008 8:35:46 AM   
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i have learned my mistress looks awesome wearing a 10 in strapon  i have learned once shes wearing it we both know where its going  i have learned once she has lubed my ass and slid it in it does feel good i have learned i love being fucked in the ass by her with it  i have learned once she has me relaxed and opened up her fist is coming next  i have learned to always be clean for her inside as well as outside i have learned i love being fisted anally by her even more then strapon play i have learned once shes in my ass my prostate is at her mercy until she has milked all the cum out of me i have learned she will feed me back my cum until i swallow it all i have learned i love my time together with my mistress ..she is a awesome lady indeed  have fun everyone ..mal  i have learned i still love to use the smileys ...nowadays lately smiles are hard to cum by

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/25/2008 8:39:47 AM   
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quote:

 How to use the "quote" feature  


YAY!!!!  (it took me awhile to figure it out too)

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/25/2008 9:40:39 AM   
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Oh wow, there is no way I could list everything I've learned since I first came to this site. Some of it has been directly due to the forums, some of it has been because of people I've met on the site, and some of it has been an aside.

I think a big one for me, was realizing that being a sadist or masochist, did not automatically make you a nutcase. Many will laugh at that statement but you have to understand where I came from, both physically and otherwise, to understand why that was a big one for me.

Then I quickly got rid of the idea that BDSM was practiced by super elegant, special people that all belonged to this internationally connected secret society and lived in castle like mansions. All somehow, more ethical and living with a wonderfully strict moral code that the rest of the world "didn't get".

I realized that very few, at least online, BDSM people even have a clue how to have a sucessful long term relationship, let alone one that is somehow better than old Mr and Mrs Vanilla that have been married for 35 years.

During my time here I've have some amazing self growth. Alot of it has been partically due to consistantly reading some of my favourite posters, realizing that I don't have to always agree with them to admire them, and that really is okay. I've found my own path and really don't mind at all if no one else travels it with me, it's mine and that's enough for me. I had to come to the realization that my path may not fit anyone else, regardless of gender, sexuality or relationship role. It doesn't make them wrong, just different, which shoud be embraced not ridiculed.

I've learned to tone down my, sometimes immature snarkiness, and realize that some people's paths involve actions and/or thoughts that I will see as sublimely rediculous and stupid and no amount of bashing whether in good intent or not, probably will not change their path. All I can do, is hope it ultimately serves a positive purpose for them or someone else. If only as an example of what NOT to do.

And most of all, at the moment, this place continues to help teach me how really very funny life is. Even when it's not supposed to be.

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/25/2008 11:52:18 AM   
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John, excellent article, quite a few things in there that I hope many people learn through out their life experience.  Some I am still managing to learn.

LaT, great post, thank you for sharing your thoughts.



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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/25/2008 12:49:05 PM   
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Thank you Rover for placing that here to read. 

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RE: What Have You Learned? - 10/25/2008 12:55:00 PM   
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lovely read Rover

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