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SteelofUtah -> ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 10:53:54 AM)

I realized that I missed the fact that I had been here for over a year and decided to reflect on my going on's here.

There was a Post that made me think about my first few posts here and I was glad to note that I have come full circle, however not the way some people said that I would when I got here.

There is a Thread about Mean People and Getting Beat up for asking questions. I made that same post after I was here for about a month and I was all butt hurt that no matter the point of a thread it is instantly taken out of whatever context it was supposed to be in and made personal. I have tried to start topics and tried to use my relationship with andi as the model to discuss and found it becomes this thread about my actual relationship and people who don't know anything more than the handful of sentenses put on a screen think they know about your life and who you are and how you behave. I am guilty of this to a degree however I try to put myself in check when I ansswer people. I try really hard just to answer the question being asked and not just reflect my opinion on the posters life.

That being said I have come to see the trend and the reasons that so many people are less than gentle with the same questions being asked for the millionth time by someone who may or may not have come to terms with what they are let alone be ready to dive into a BDSM relationship so I thoght I would put down some things that have been helpful to people in the past and hopefully I will be able to send people reference to this when they ask questions in the future.

No this isn't my Manifesto, nor is it a How to, It's just a Common Sense piece that reminds you that you are a free spirit so be free stop trying to find a box to fit in.

First off What BDSM is. What it is, is a Canopy for nearly every kink, fetish, or sexually deviant behavior you can think of. It is a Way of Life, and it is a Bedroom Activity. It is a Philosophy and it is a Faith. It is what is and ONLY YOU GET TO DECIDE WHAT IT IS TO YOU!!!!!!!

BDSM is like Ordering off a Menu, the way that I see it. There are MANY different Items, and you can try each and every one, but eventually you are going to know what you like and that will become your usual or you will like so many different things you will find it difficult to order each time. Now you can take it the way they serve it or you can order it with different condiments and the like. I like My BDSM with Bondage, Discipline, Light S&M and and extra Power Exchange in the D/s. That does not mean that I can't one day order it with No Bondage and Heavy S&M, Sometimes it is as fickle as the Mood of the day.

There are people who no matter how many times they go to the reastraunt they will order the EXACT SAME THING, and it needs to be brought the same way, and they are so adament about this process that they can repeat each step verbatim to anyone they meet, and anyone who serves them can do so as well. There are also the people who don't eat out as much, and when they do they only order al-a-carte, and what they order al-a-carte has to be made special in order for them to even eat it. There are also people who like to order for you and tell you if you are going to have the S&M then you have to have it with the Canes and Singletails or it just isn't a Proper S&M.

But Ultimatly YOU are the one placing the order, You are the one who gets to decide how you will have it. Sure there will be things you are sure that you will never like and will make it known that you will not have if that is how it is served and you may find yourself going to many different restraunts before you find one who serves your need the way you want it served but again the decision is yours.

I hear alot of questions on "Is this Okay?" or "Am I still a (This) if I refuse to do (This)?" and the answer although simple is not always easy to swallow. The simple answer is to you as it applies to you, you are whatever you want to believe you are. Not everyone will share your views and you will be called a myriad of things from Fake, to Wanna Be, to Liar, to Married, or Brat, or Sam, the list goes on ad-infinitum. But at the end of the day you don't have to face them in the mirror you only have to face yourself. and if you want to call yourself a serious pain slut as long as all the things used to induce pain are made from cotton candy then go right ahead just know it might be come time before you find a restraunt who has that on thier menu that way.

I also like to eat at new and exciting restraunts from time to time. I have to remind myself that there was a time in which everything was new to me and I was looking for the right flavor to indulge my desire, so I go to different places and learn from different people. I try to ask "So, why do you do this, this way?" instead of asking "Why, don't you do this the way I do it?" Using a more Literal Food Analogy last night I asked my Father-in-law how he cooks Chicken and Rice because the way andi did it one night was so different than the way I did it I stopped her and ended up cooking it myself. Turns out with the exception of one VERY important step my girl left out she was doing it the way he did. It had never occured to me to make it that way and so I have asked him to make it and we will be having it for dinner this weekend. Point being there is more than ONE way to make Chicken and Rice and there is more than ONE way to be a Sadist, or a Masochist, or a Submissive, or a Slave, or a Master and so on and so forth.

If you stop looking for someone else to answer your desires for you and just try things, and if they work let them work, and if the don't change the menu, then you will find that this lifestyle becomes about only the people YOU are conserned about. Yourself and your Partner or Partners because they are the only ones who should matter in how you do things. Us, the people of the boards, we should have little to no impact on you deciding to be who you are and how you go about the things you want to do. If you want to know how other people do things I would suggest that you find an individual who you respect and wish to emulate and ask them to talk to you about thier philosophies and beliefs when it comes to certain aspects of BDSM, and then to also ask those you don't necessarily care for because they may also be able to give you some insight into what you don't like or even help you to understand why you don't like something.

In the end this is all about you and what you want to get out of things, and even that can be up for debate depending on who you talk to, just remember that you have free will and when it comes to what you HAVE to do, only YOU are qualified to make that decision.

Hope that helps those who are Lurking and afraid to ask a question because of what responce you are afraid you will get, or how you will be seen after you make it. My door is always open for those who want to talk just drop me a line.

As Always

Steel




beargonewild -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 10:57:50 AM)

Very well said Steel. Kudos.




VivaciousSub -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 10:58:54 AM)

Bravo, Steel!

I never thought of using an analogy like yours to describe WIITWD, but it fits perfectly.

And now, I want toast. Hashbrowns too, please!




leadership527 -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 11:14:43 AM)

Yes... that... what Steel said




Mercnbeth -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 11:44:51 AM)

but...but...Steeeeeeeeeeeel....this slave liiiiiiikes the box she found!!!  it's comfy and fits perfectly!!!
haha!!!
seriously though, your menu analogy is spot on.  this slave likes to order "Chicken Marsala" at every Italian restaurant we go to and guess what...it is NEVER the same twice, (unless you go to the same restaurant every time and even then, a change in Chef might change the way it turns out).  frequently, it is so drastically different than the last, it tastes like another dish entirely.[:)]




SteelofUtah -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 12:07:49 PM)

**Mental Note - Beth Likes Boxes**

I agree with that, I like Chicken Marsala too, did you know that some restraunts don't use Marsala wine when they make the sauce though? I think this is one of the reasons the taste is so different some people try to make Marsala without the right stuff.

Steel




Mercnbeth -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 12:27:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

**Mental Note - Beth Likes Boxes**

I agree with that, I like Chicken Marsala too, did you know that some restraunts don't use Marsala wine when they make the sauce though? I think this is one of the reasons the taste is so different some people try to make Marsala without the right stuff.

Steel


***mmmmyeah, AND cages...[;)]***
 
and a big OH YEAH, the sauce (gravy) MAKES it (how DARE those bastards not use Marsala wine!!!)....however, there have been times when the chicken was so tough, the gravy still didn't make up for it.




WyldHrt -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 12:35:51 PM)

quote:

***mmmmyeah, AND cages...[;)]***

and saran wrap.....
*ducks* [;)]

Awesome post, Steel. [:)]




HerLord -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 1:01:16 PM)

Trumpets and horns and sirens...

Steel, I sure did miss the rambling postings that once finished all make so clear the mud that is in our faces.

Brava.

And dammit, stop with the making sense of the senseless. You're giving me a head ache.




Rover -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 1:39:38 PM)

Nope, I don't have a single criticism... it's spot on.  Over the years I've called it the "Baskin-Robbins Theory" instead of using the menu analogy... because I like ice cream. 
 
John




GreedyTop -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 3:21:34 PM)

*applauds Steel*  well done!!  (love to Andi)




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 3:29:36 PM)

Well said Steel,  I've often compared things to "having it my/your way" just like Burger King, except this is Burger Kink.

I terms of having things my way, and the way I enjoy it.  I tend to play up on my own Dom/Master card.  My way is not the way of everybody else nor the world.

There are things that are non-kink and BDSM related that I look for in a partner as well.  Sex, Kink, BDSM and D/s only get you so much milage in a relationship.

There have been moments when I thought I found what I was looking for, only to run face to face with reality.   I can honestly say and express, that an extreme neat freak service submissive ain't it for me.   That a TPE slave who adapts everything about herself to suit my likings and taste ain't it either.   Nice to have sex on demand and all the kink, however not what I wanted in long run.

I have certain emotional needs and desires along with kink, sex and BDSM that need to be fullfilled.   Awhile back, I was debating about things, such as the importantance of unfillfulled fantasies and kinks in my life.   There's certain base line set of kinks that I'm into, that are simply me.

Anyhoo.. along this adventure of becoming a little more in touch with myself.  I've had to admit things to myself and stop seeing what I wanted to see, and see things as they really are.  A lot of fun introspection. 

I've used this message board to explore some past relationships, issues that came up, see what other people's perspectives are on these issues.   I don't feel so alone on many issues.  In many ways, my mind has become open to a few things where it was somewhat closed before.  

All and All, it's about what we as individuals wants and hope to get out of some form of relationship with another person.  Our motives, needs, desires, wants, fantasies, kinks and day to day lives all somewhat different.   It's what two people decide upon and the choices about how they want to live their life is what is most important.

I know that not just any Vanilla girl will do for me,  Vanilla is a little hard to fully describe as much as it is regarding BDSM at times.   There's a reality though of finding somebody who similar views and mindset,  That's why I'm attracted to and drawn to this website.  To be able to communicate with people, that actually understand and get these things.

BDSM is simply a slice of my own life, and it's part of me.  No matter how much I tried to swear some of these things off, to fit into a vanilla jello mold.  All things I had done that well, were not very fair of me to do to myself.

I can honestly express, I have been my own worse enemy at times.  I have been the one that is responsible for a lot of past Drama in my own life.

I've explored many topics and things, and have been becoming more open and in touch with various aspects about myself and my past.  Including some of my somewhat distorted views of the past and even myself.




Mercnbeth -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 3:41:55 PM)

~ Fast Reply ~
 
Ice cream at 'Baskin Robbins' or the buffet line at 'Todai' both point to options and all options should be received with equal value as well as equal scrutiny. It's my opinion that a position forged in a blast furness of dissent and an opinion or belief formed in a desert of head bobbing agreement, don't carry similar value. The Earth as the center of the universe in the western world was the 'one true way' until someone challenged it. It takes fortitude to stand out there and represent yourself naked and try something outside the 'normal' or even the community OTW standard. Those people exist and even without supporting or agreeing with them they should be held in as high esteem as the first person who decided that you can eat an oyster-raw.  

It's only when faced with challenge that thoughts and concepts become firm beliefs. Criticism, no matter the source, or the harshness of the critic, should be relished as an opportunity. Its an opportunity to learn whether you are right or wrong; but more importantly a challenge is the primary source of confidence. Granted - many can't stand up to that assault. Whether crumbling or whining about the critique, speaks to the challenging source or to the believe itself is a matter of result and personal rationalization. 

A person wrong ALL the time is as good a reference source as someone right ALL the time. It's only the vacillators and hypocrites that generate frustration as far as I'm concerned.




SteelofUtah -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 3:56:18 PM)

Excellent Point,

But beyond the ability to stand up to ridicule when faced with being scrutinized over how you do something is the initial choice to actually do that something. In this case I only wish to state that people should choose for themselves what they do and how they do it. That is a basic right, and one that I see being given away for easy answers and for preformed ideas.

We will be criticized for our actions by the world and those who care about criticism will find it hard not to faulter after being the subject of such criticism and that too is okay, but if they never take off the rose tinted glasses of the Social White Wash Society has Imposed then they will never discover who they CAN be. You are who you are. And at 16 I was a very Confused Boy and as soon as I realized that my parents didn't have the right answers for me I started looking for people who were different and doing things that were different and it took one very simple conversation with one very open Man and my life was changed because rather than having someone tell me what I should be I had someone asking me what I WANTED to be and that has made all the difference.

quote:

A person wrong ALL the time is as good a reference source as someone right ALL the time. It's only the vacillators and hypocrites that generate frustration as far as I'm concerned.



That my friend is BRILLIANT.

I am already missing talking at the Green Door. We will have to get together soon.

Steel




califsue -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 6:35:38 PM)

Steel...Great Post! Thank you for sharing.
 




oceanwynds -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/24/2008 6:50:34 PM)

Thank you Steel. Very well put. May I please copy and paste this so i can re-read it from time to time?

oceanwynds





lusciouslips19 -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/25/2008 7:31:16 AM)

However, If I am the "server" at this restaurant, I need to make sure I am giving the "servee" what they ordered. I also have to make sure that I ask the person I am serving what THEY want to order. I cant give them any old thing off the menu and think it will be good for them. Also, if I am ordering for my "partner" I need to have discussions with them to make sure I am ordering correctly for them also.

just something to chew on....




sunshinedreams -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/25/2008 9:35:42 AM)

"I'd like the chef salad please with the oil and vinegar on the side and the apple pie a la mode. But I'd like the pie heated and I don't want the ice cream on top, I want it on the side and I'd like strawberry instead of vanilla if you have it. If not, then no ice cream, just whipped cream, but only if it's real. If it's out of a can, then nothing." 
Btw, I'm like Sally! lol 




SteelofUtah -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/27/2008 10:59:00 AM)

And Yes, anyone is welcome to reprint anything that I write anywhere they like as long as it is stated that it is my opinion only and that I am just a Guy and am in no way willing to be a Guru on any suject.

And if you want to lie and say I look like Brad Pitt's Younger Sexier Brother, Fine by me.

Objects in Mirror are Closer than they appear

Seriously if you think something I write might help someone on thier Path through this lifestyle please by all means reprint it as many times as you like. Same goes for My Journal on my Profile as it was intended to be Published just never got done.

Thanks for taking Interest

Steel




persephonee -> RE: ~~BDSM Please with a Side of Toast and Hash Browns~~ (10/27/2008 12:32:51 PM)

Since when are you not a guru?? i have been duped....in the less sexual use of the term...im a lackey to just a guy?? wtf?
*harumph*

perse
personal assisstant/lackey to SteelofmyHeart/Utah




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