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piss enemas - 8/5/2004 9:27:31 AM

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For a while now my master has been talking about converting me into his personal toilet, whereby I will ingest his urine orally, anally and in my vagina. I am wondering how safe this is and worried about contracting diseases. Does anyone know how safe this is??

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RE: piss enemas - 8/5/2004 9:54:19 AM

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From what I have learned so far in regards to watersports is that in moderation, consumption of urine isn't a problem. I don't know about how much urine we are talking about. Would you be serving as a personal toilet for every instance that he relieved himself? I know some people who take urine in all of their orafices and none have complained of any problems, but again... moderation.

I would avoid ingesting the first piss of the morning. Most of the toxins have been storing up overnight.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/5/2004 10:57:06 AM

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Im not sure how far he wants to take it...... im not sure how i feel about it, so i think he plays on that (smile). We are going to talk about it soon, I just wanted to get more facts about it before we do.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/5/2004 1:39:50 PM

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Here are some earlier threads on urine:

consumption of urine

golden/brown showers

full human toilet

myths of urine

fluids exchanged

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RE: piss enemas - 8/5/2004 4:31:55 PM

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Other than the fact that urine is sterile, and generally won't cause a whole bunch of problems, I'm afraid that I don't have much to offer. I have to confess I am more than a little fascinated as to why this would appeal. Has your master ever told you why this does something for him (if sharing that in this quasi-anonymous format would be acceptable)?

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RE: piss enemas - 8/5/2004 6:12:41 PM

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I hear "urine is sterile" all the time in the hospital and it's not exactly true.

The statement comes from the fact that any medical procedure entering the urethral orifice must be a sterile procedure (such as a folley cath) unlike every other orifice. The urinary tract is relatively free of microorganisms and has to stay that way or infection will follow.

It is "mostly true" in that urine, despite it's "dirty" associations is probably the safest body fluid around. It caries far fewer organisms and far less risk than saliva, semen, vaginal secretions, or even tears. It is not _necessarily_ sterile though. If the urinator has a kidney, blader, or UT disease or disfunction, then diseases can be carried in urine. If he/she is healthy, then the risk is extremely small.

There was a time when doctors actually diagnosed diabetes myelitis by tasting urine to see if it contained glucose. They did this with confidence in it's safety.

Urine in the anus is not very risky. Urine in the mouth isn't either. Urine in the vagina can lead to problems. Not because of germs in the urine (unlikely) but because the chemical balance of the vagina is critical to maintainning healthy flora. Urine can disrupt pH, salinity, and osmotic pressure critical to preventing the growth of pathological organisms normally kept in check by the benign organisms naturally present. I don't know how great the risk is, but it is very real.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/5/2004 6:20:04 PM

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Thanks for setting the record straight. I got a little grief from a nurse friend over that too. I knew about ph being important to vaginal health. Didn't put two and two together though. I guess it is a good thing this isn't my thing.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/5/2004 6:58:34 PM

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Someone once described it to me like this....it's warm, it's wet, it comes from the body of your partner, it's intimate, and it lasts a whole lot longer than ejaculation.

Makes sense to me. :)

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RE: piss enemas - 8/5/2004 10:39:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: WayHome
Urine in the anus is not very risky. Urine in the mouth isn't either. Urine in the vagina can lead to problems. Not because of germs in the urine (unlikely) but because the chemical balance of the vagina is critical to maintainning healthy flora. Urine can disrupt pH, salinity, and osmotic pressure critical to preventing the growth of pathological organisms normally kept in check by the benign organisms naturally present. I don't know how great the risk is, but it is very real.

This is what I've read as well, and it's a pretty big concern. Even washing/douching the vagina too often can cause trigger yeast infections and other nasties.

I've heared that taking asidophilus (god that's not spelled right) supliments or making sure to eat a lot of yogurt can help, but I personally would avoid urine -in- the vagina 'cause it can upset too much.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/6/2004 10:15:58 AM

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I think people are forgetting one point in all their responses it really doesnt have anything to do with safety. But if he enjoys doing oral on you remind him that he's licking his own urine and that there is a residual smell left by that urine. Yes even if you wash throughly over time the smell will be there. I think the key here is just like anything else in life. Moderation is the best policy but if it becomes an everyday thing problems can arise and usually do.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/6/2004 11:44:39 AM

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quote:

I think people are forgetting one point in all their responses it really doesnt have anything to do with safety. But if he enjoys doing oral on you remind him that he's licking his own urine and that there is a residual smell left by that urine.

That's a good point, whilst I do like occaisional watersports its' something that I've only ever done orally - because I'm too used to safe sex the thought of using other orifices worries me perhaps more than it should.

When it comes to swallowing it there's definately a residual smell and taste on the breathe which can be unpleasant.

The natural temptation to brush teeth should probably be avoided, opening up the gums to more direct contact I'm assuming is not a good thing.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/6/2004 2:43:43 PM

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When it comes to swallowing it there's definately a residual smell and taste on the breathe which can be unpleasant.

The natural temptation to brush teeth should probably be avoided, opening up the gums to more direct contact I'm assuming is not a good thing.

Sadistic

You are correct. Brushing your teeth after any sort of bodily fluids in the mouth increases risk. However, the risk with urine is very small so it's probably not an issue. It's more of an issue after oral sex. A better solution would be to gently swish with an antiseptic mouthwath like Listerine.

I've never done this sort of water sports but now that you mention it, the idea of my woman with piss-breath is a real turn off for me. Guess I'll be keeping my urine in the toilet ;-)

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RE: piss enemas - 8/6/2004 9:38:13 PM

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Someone expressed concern over the advive I gave earlier in this thread. She did it on another thread instead of here for some reason so here it is...

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Looks over to WayHome...You are exactly right, not all advice given here is correct, and he who is without sin may cast the first stone...as a slave recalls you made some assertions in the thread about piss enemas, not sure where your information came from, but having a degree in human biology i do know that there are inherent dangers involved in ANY exchange of human bodily fluids, in ANY orifice...infection is a risk anywhere, mouth could have a lesion, so could the anus....but then again i could be wrong...but one thing i do know is that people come here asking advice and opinions, that is what they get....right or wrong, it is the reader that must figure that out.

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I'm not sure what the exact objection is so to be safe, and in case I was not clear, I will reiterate.

I stated that piss is NOT sterile. This common misconception exists even among some healthcare professionals and has it's root in the procedural sterility of the urethra.

Though it's not sterile and some diseases CAN be transmitted via urine, it is safer than most other bodily fluids, including saliva, blood, semen, vaginal secretions, sputum, feces (of course), and even tears.

Urine can be more dangerous if the one urinating is not healthy. Specifically diseases of the urinary tact or kidneys. Trace amounts of blood can get into urine if the person has a problem and that greatly increases risk. In the case of a UTI, bacteria can grow directly in the urine.

There is always risk with any bodily fluid (duh), but piss is not a particular concern.

Now, the issue of urine in the vagina was also addressed. As I said, this can present problems that have nothing to do with contamination of the urine. Disrupting the natural balance of beneficial organisms in the vagina can be dangerous. This applies to urine, douches, and anything else you put in there.

As always, be careful with anyone's bodily fluids, but if you are willing to have semen or vaginal secretions in your mouth or anus, then piss probably isn't worth worrying about.

There was a time when some doctors routinely tasted the urine of their patients, even very sick ones, as a way of diagnosing diabetes myelitis. To me, that says a lot about how safe it is.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/6/2004 9:49:53 PM

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Hello WayHome,
Smiles softly, knowing what she deals with here..your ignorance is showing.
As i said ALL fluids present an inherent danger, write all you want the facts will not change....by the way, i posted in another area, because YOU choose to insult, or try to someone there for what they said...
Good luck and remember all read these posts and all make their judgements here too.
For you to come in and in a couple days insult as many as you have...well good luck, but you WILL find i am not the only one who refuses to allow someone new with less than equal experience to tell me how to act.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/7/2004 12:30:11 AM

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I'm not rying to tell you how to act. You still haven't said what it was that I was wrong about or what advice was bad. I too have a degree and I am a healthcare professional. You can verify what I say the the CDC. I take a required state class on the subject of pathogens and body fluids every two years as part of my liscence.

Can you please try to state what it is specifically that you object to.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/7/2004 10:36:02 AM

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But if he enjoys doing oral on you remind him that he's licking his own urine and that there is a residual smell left by that urine

if you are doing oral on your partner you are going to be getting any residual urine left there after the last time they peed. granted its a miniscule amount, but still is there no matter how many times he shakes it or how well she wipes it.

just my tuppence

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RE: piss enemas - 8/10/2004 1:33:37 AM

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Four days have now gone by since I was accused of "casting stones" and giving incorrect information on this thread at the same time and I'm still waiting to find out what it was I said.

The only clearly mistaken advice I see on this thread was when Leonidas said that urine was sterile and he already retracted that after having it explained to him, like you would expect a secure and confident man to do.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe Gitta misread the statement of sterility as coming from me since I referenced it in my statement of non-sterility.

Gitta accused me of several things including being insulting, being ignorant (in general and also of the meaning of John 8:7), having some online agenda about posting a lot, telling her how to behave, and having a lot to say in my first couple of days on the boards.

Of these, I am guilty of being insulting and having a lot to say. I am often brash and opinionated which seems to make me fit in just fine on these boards. I am also new to the forum (though not new to the lifestyle) which means that I have a lot of enthusiasm. Those that are already weary of my words will be glad when, as usually happens on any internet forum, I start to see the same stuff over and over to the point of no longer being inspired to reply so often. Such is the way of things. Boards always fall into cycles of topics and cycle through posters as well.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/10/2004 2:12:45 AM

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Wayhome,
The event that i was refering to is clearly addressed in the post you quoted me on right here : piss enemas - 8/6/2004 9:38:13 PM Since You posted it here, one thought you would be able to figure it out. My point was that you stated you saw little harm in distributing urine into anothers anus or mouth, i said there are inherent dangers as both areas are prone to lesions.
i did not respond because i firgured you were capable of reading and putting it together. i did not misread anything either.
The casting stones comment was refering to your statement that in the other thread, saying the person was getting less than good information.
Was gone for the weekend, and did not see your post as worth responding to today.
So now i have responded, do with it what you wish.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/10/2004 3:13:57 PM

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My point was that you stated you saw little harm in distributing urine into anothers anus or mouth

That is a very creative paraphrase. I believe your intent was mearly to snipe at me for my disagreement with a particular fellow. I find it ironic that the one you were lashing out in defense of was also the only one that actually made a false statement here. The FACT is that with or without lesions in the mouth or anus, it is considered a low-risk behvior. Of course there is risk (it's NOT sterile). There is risk with ANY human contact. It is definitely less risky than semen in the mouth or anus (semen in the anus is VERY high risk for Hep B and HIV, so maybe not the best example). It is generally considered less risky than oral sex on a woman (unless you use a dental dam).

My statements were sound and verifiable. (Incidentally there is another thread on the subject with much the same information from other sources.)

Answering these sorts of questions is a part of my wife's real-world job and will soon be mine as well.

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RE: piss enemas - 8/10/2004 7:37:13 PM

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If this is going to turn into argument it should end now.

Thanks!

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