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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 7:11:05 AM   
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Love your philosophical viewpoint La Tigresse. Best way to be
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 7:31:42 AM   
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Agree with you that its the more extreme practices that are more dangerous. Disagree that anyone can give a spanking safely.  From the number of guys on this site who i have researched that have ended up with black eyes and scarred buttocks , i think its clear that a green Dominant who does not have much awareness of what she is doing is a danger to a guy.  Thank you Lady Constanze
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Without trying to be a smartass, how can you get a black eye and scarred buttocks from a spanking? Whoever confuses the face with the butt has not the slightest clue or needs glasses BADLY (of course accidents can happen, chair breaking down and she tumbles on top of him and hits him with the elbow or something like that but I think that would be extremely rare), and seriously, a spanking (bare hands on buttocks) that scars the buttcheeks, wow, I guess every blacksmith would be envious of those hands but I doubt that regular female hands can cause that. You know I'm quite athletic and do a lot of martial arts but despite my best efforts, I never managed more than to redden buttocks or possibly bruise them a bit with my bare hands, and after a good spanking my hands sting too....

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 7:36:02 AM   
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according to a lot of guys i know, they think that domme's are nothing more than submissives who were abused and got tired of being pushed around, so they took the switch to being a domme; not that i believe that or anything, but come on, most of the doms i know never got trained either, so i don't see the relevancy in the question being attributed to males or females.


I'll bet those same guys will also agree that every dominant female is realy a salve who just hasn't met the Man who can Master her and when she does, she'll kneel at his feet and beg his collar. Whilst I believe this to be tgrue in some cases, I certainly do not believe it to be true globally having had the pleasure of knowing, meeting and working with a good number of naturally dominant females many of who are also lifestyle dominants too..


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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 7:49:30 AM   
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i just mentioned the black eye as an example of what can happen when a fetish goes wrong. of course you cant get a black eye from a spanking. But you would be surprised what damage can be done . Some women are stronger than some blokes and blows from their hands can really hurt as much as any man. it works the opposite way too obviously.  Females can be damaged by male doms
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 7:57:48 AM   
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I have not read a manual, a training website, or any other form of guided, training tripe lol



I think it's a mistake to disregard learning something simply because of the source.  I try to remain open to helpful ideas, no matter where they come from, including, gasp, manuals.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:06:50 AM   
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kevin, i think that is rubbish, because a spanking means your bare hand (open hand) connects with a butt cheek, the most muscular part of anybody's body and to cause damage this way is highly unlikely. Why do you think that parents used to discipline their kids with a smack on the bottom? Because it stings but won't cause damage to the body. I've been doing a lot of BDSM play but I have yet to meet anybody who has had an injury (more than a bruise) from a spanking, of course it hurts but that's actually why it is done. I would say spankings are one of the most harmless forms of play, the person receiving a spanking is usually also bent over one's lap, to miss the buttcheek would take quite some doing.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:06:56 AM   
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Yeah i have to agree with you Lady Venatrix.  For me Mistress Rouge's dismissive, i have not read any manual etc smacks of huge arrogance and the fact She says on her profile i do not care for safe words is a big red flag for me. None of us are infallible. Safe words are there for a reason and the sub should be allowed one both for his/her safety and the peace of mind of the dominant. After all i dont think any of us want to cause injury to another. With no safe word the chances of that happening increase particularly if the Domme/Dom gets carried with his/her own sadism and having her/his appetite for sadistic entertainment as one Domme put it to me, at the possible expense of the sub. No thats not good in my view anyway
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:10:28 AM   
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well, I did enroll in a Domina training once, but it didn't work out.

Aside from that attempt, I never trained to be a Domme. It's just in me.

What you have to do really is let your imagination flow, and be sadistic. Well, actually, you have to find what turns you on and use that. It's about what you love, really.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:12:55 AM   
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it may be extremely unlikely but mistakes, with respect Lady Constanze can and do happen, i mean did anyone feel the economy would go down the plug hole as dramatically as it has , even six months ago, no you would be laughed out of town for even suggesting it , yet it happened.  it only takes a slight misjudgement and this is much more likely if the Domme/Dom has no experience with the situation in hand

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:17:37 AM   
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Well if it did not work out , respectfully Maam, could you not try something else. Your young and there are plenty of careers out there which pay good money and are less risky, you dont have the burden of someone's else's safety in your hands.  i mean would it not sense to do something like Human Resources, that way you have authority but you dont have the burden of someone's safety in your hands. Also it pays well and is becoming increasingly Female dominated. Just a thought, you can accept or reject it
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:19:44 AM   
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JMO, but in order for there to be 'recognized training' there would need to be some common standard by which to judge that training. There -isn't-. That doesn't mean that there aren't courses for certain aspects of training. I've completed venipuncture coursework during my paramedic training, as well as training in making and repairing incisions in both my paramedic coursework and my midwifery coursework. I've also attended seminars on many of the things that particularly interest me. As far as training to be a domme/dame/dominatrix/domina, though, I don't think that there is -any- program that every d-type would recognize as being 'comprehensive'.

For many of us, the desire to lead, rule, guide, direct, and control is not -only- a matter of our fetishes... it is inherent in our nature. Leadership skills can be improved by training, for those who are struggling with their leadership, but for others, training is nothing more than an exercise in getting a certificate to prove what they -already- instinctively understand (which, to me, is a waste of time--but I'm a bit of an anarchist). I resent it all to hell that the only way to move forward in my current job is to get an advanced degree that I don't need and don't want, because my 25 years experience and my proven track record aren't enough without a frigging piece of paper. I respect that some folks might not want me as their d-type because I don't have a dozen certificates showing how many seminars and classes I've been to about being a "good" d-type, but frankly, if that's going to stop them, they're not the right s-types for me. I give plenty of time for everyone to figure out if someone is a good fit for our household. In that time, they'll have plenty of time to see my dominance -and- my fetish practices in action, -and- the freedom to step away from any practice with nothing more than a 'stop', a shake of the head, etc... and because I don't do 'resistance' play, if they indicate the need or desire to stop, then stop is what we do. If that's insufficient, well, then we're not a good fit, right.

If someone really needs a piece of paper to confirm the validity of the d-type's position, so be it... no harm, no foul... but a piece of paper won't confirm or deny the inherent capacity to lead and control that makes up the dominant nature, so while it may serve for certain skills, IMO it is unlikely to be the most effective sole measure of the dominant person.



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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:21:01 AM   
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If you think of it logically would a person who trained to be a doctor and failed his/her exams still become a doctor i dont think so i certainly would not be comfortable going to a Doctor who wasnt competent. My only point is why is this career any different
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:22:18 AM   
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OK kevin, please give ONE example what can go wrong with a spanking, just ONE...

I agree that a lot of things can go wrong with BDSM especially with edge play and that training and knowing what you do is always good, but let's not get carried away, a spanking is hardly edge play, in fact, I think foot workship might even be edgier than spanking, you could tickle her while kissing her foot, she might jerk her foot and hit you in the eye, and that could cause a black eye, and no amount of training will make a ticklish person less ticklish. Or I could in fact break a nail while I am putting on fetish gear, or vanilla sex can be dangerous because you might fall out of the bed and break a leg...

I'm all for being risk aware, training, knowing what you do, minimizing dangers, but if you think spanking is very risky, should you really indulge in BDSM?

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:24:37 AM   
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Yeah i accept what your saying Lady Firestorm. i think in your case though your long years of experience compensate for your lack of training in the area. Training of course does not mean you will never foul something up but it does prove that you have a certain competence in an area which is a little more reassuring for the sub. But again in your case, your long years of experience training subs overrides any lack of training you might have.
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:27:16 AM   
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 Well for one the Domme/Dom could go over and above what the sub can take if there is no safe word allowed. i m not cribbing here, i just think people should be kink aware on all sides really.
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:33:58 AM   
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Yeah i accept what your saying Lady Firestorm. i think in your case though your long years of experience compensate for your lack of training in the area. Training of course does not mean you will never foul something up but it does prove that you have a certain competence in an area which is a little more reassuring for the sub. But again in your case, your long years of experience training subs overrides any lack of training you might have.
kevin



But the thing that you forget, Kevin, is that -I- had to start somewhere, too... Yes, I've had years of experience, and much of my out-scene life has expanded on what I love doing in-scene... but I had to start somewhere. I had to do my first suturing (in the ER, on a patient who was -really- drunk, and who wouldn't let me put in anesthesia because he thought I was going to poison him, with THREE DAYS of observation and -no- hands-on training... because the ER was so packed that they didn't have anyone to spare, and I was the only EMT on who had shown an affinity for needles.), I had to put in my first IV, I had to do my first piercing, I had to handle my first scalpel (on a 4 year old little girl who had a sewing needle shoved all the way into her arm, halfway into a vein) and had to wield my first crop.

I had some help in the beginning, and, being the person I am, I tend to err on the side of caution early on in a relationship... but while I may have experience -now-, I certainly don't spend 14 hours a day in the ER, inserting IVs and cutting out bullets anymore... and yet, I still managed to have years of enjoyable activity, and a minimum of crisis.

The biggest risk for any d-type who does fetish play, including edge play, is the capacity to react calmly in a crisis. There are almost NO crises that are immediate threats to life or limb, unless practicing things like breath play or certain forms of cutting... but even then, knowing how to respond in a crisis could make the difference between a boo-boo and a life-and-death emergency. I -do- recommend that folks into bondage/edge-play learn basic first aid and CPR, but in general, there is nothing done during everyday dominion of a household that would, of itself, cause serious risk to life or limb, and many of the risks inherent in fetish play can be mitigated by a bit of caution and moving slowly enough to learn the responses of the particular individual on which one is working. It behooves all of us to know who we're playing with, and know what we're doing for the things -we- play, but honestly, everyone has to start somewhere, and if the risks are too high or too scary, then the darker aspects of WIITWD may never be right for that person, regardless of the number of certifications and licenses the other individual has.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:34:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressRouge

I have not read a manual, a training website, or any other form of guided, training tripe lol



I think it's a mistake to disregard learning something simply because of the source.  I try to remain open to helpful ideas, no matter where they come from, including, gasp, manuals.


I also attend munches, demos and clubs too, so I much prefer the hands on, eyes on approach

I am still learning new skills, techniques and never wish to be a "know it all", on the contrary, but would rather the physical aspect of learning, then reading someone else's interpretation of their way of "training"..

Reference and  resource sites, are a different story, my thoughts are steered towards the op regarding  "training" sites/manuals not mainstream informative websites/books etc, I have different views on those.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:34:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

 Well for one the Domme/Dom could go over and above what the sub can take if there is no safe word allowed. i m not cribbing here, i just think people should be kink aware on all sides really.
kevin




Please stop skirting around the issue, I asked you what can go wrong with a spanking, there was never a discussion if there is or isn't a safe word, so we can assume there is one, plus hardly anybody I know would not be aware if the sub can't take anymore.

So what DAMAGE can happen, WHY is a spanking dangerous? Would you just answer that please? Again we are talking bare hand to butt.

Have you ever been spanked or given a spanking? Because it definitely doesn't sound like it.

Let me explain a bit, the impact is also on the hand, so every spank you give will also hurt your hand, chances that your palm will start stinging and your wrist will swell are much higher. And yes, I have also gotten spankings, from guys, not because I like them but because I lost a bet, the guys always complained that their hands hurt.

So again, if a spanking is a high risk activity for you, good luck in finding a Domme who will put up with your demands that she gets formal training before she gives you a spanking, personally I would laugh and ask you if you are sure that you want to take part in any BDSM play. There is being risk aware and there is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, or simply topping from the bottom, those are usually the cases who don't get their bottom spanked.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:41:00 AM   
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i dont understand are you a switch. i suppose i m just nervous as a newbie. but i find this conversation intriguing  and i am very impressed by the response. in no way did i expect the level of response. it has been quite phenomenal.  Lady Constanze i will give you one, you are very articulate and your arguments are very well put together, there are not many guys who could keep up with you, and i count myself among them, in intellectual conversation.
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/2/2008 8:43:46 AM   
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i was spanked as a kid HARD for breaking a window when i was seven. i ll give you i lost my temper that day and was rightly punished. as for Dommes having sore hands after spanking is that not another reason to be easy on that as a fetish.  Some of the spanking i see on the Internet is really really severe both from males and Females and i sometimes ask myself do people really carry out these acts and are there really subs who can take such a high pain level.

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