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Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 6:07:17 AM   
GldnbearJP


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Status: offline 		Is there anyone else who is as disgusted I am at the way the American media is botching their reporting of the Iraq war? All we hear is the negative, nothing about the good that is happening, the fact that a third world country now has electricity and running water..what about the tales of heroism by the American troops? or that statue that the Iraqis built in bagdhad of an American soldier?? why doesnt that make front page news? did you know a soldier was awarded the Medal of Honor? why wasnt CNN there? is it because they are too liberal to say anything good about bush? is it because they are too scared to leave their hotel rooms(lord knows they might break a nail)? is it both? or is it more?
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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 6:12:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		War!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again y'all

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 6:14:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		what's it good for? look at the real news...Iraq is holding it's first free elections in it's history, they have freedoms now, real lives, but the rest of the Arab countries cant stand that and send their kids in to blow themselves up. They should be blamed not America, why blame the vicitims and not the murderers? the same ones who support the bombings of school busses full of first graders in Israel?

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 6:18:45 AM   
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do You really think they didnt had water before??
did anyone ask the people there if they wanted war?

i will not tell that Hussein was a good man - hell not...

but if You think war is good, cause just it will be done in the name of democracy - sorry - fairy tale....

never ever war is able to solve a problem..

it is a political instrument... and used about power...

and with power like it is everywhere - we are able to use it in the right way - otherwise it will be abuse......

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 6:40:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you really think sending people off to be maimed and killed is good?
Do you really think the loss of innocent lives is good?


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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 7:04:32 AM   
IrishMist


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Status: offline 		Normally I stay away from any posts that relate to politics or the role of military in other countries, but this time, I thought I would say something.

I grew up in a military family, married a career military man, spent 8 years myself overseas...I have seen alot, been through alot, and am still seeing alot that makes my blood boil at times. All of this affects my judgement on the current situation in Iraq, but, I am going to refrain from offering up my own opinion on this.

The media is allowed to air only that which the Government wants them to air. Sure, once in awhile a reporter goes out on a limb and lets something 'slip' out, but generally, the media is only given certain snippets to air ( given access to only certain areas ) Yes, it is very rare that you will ever hear of good things that happen, but that is the case everywhere. Show me one headline newspaper article that does NOT describe in detail something horrible that is happening. Anywhere. From ANYTIME. The American media is not being selective with just wars; they are selective AT ALL TIMES. Let's face it...sensational headlines sell newspapers. The more blood, death, dying...the more sales. And 95% of the people who live in this country, would rather read about blood, death, and dying...especially when it gives them a reason to feel better about themselves.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but...that's the way I see things.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 7:17:09 AM   
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the fact that a third world country now has electricity and running water..


I worked in Iraq before the war... they had running water that you could drink from the tap and electricity, it was the war that banjaxed them.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 11:39:10 AM   
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look at the real news...Iraq is holding it's first free elections in it's history, they have freedoms now, real lives,

In your first post you complain that positive stories aren't reported and now you cite positive stories that are reported. Looks to me like you just want MORE pom pom shaking and cheerleading as if a war where people are getting blown to bits is fun. Apparently you don't get FOX news, but they'll serve up war news the way you like it.

By the way, the rest of the news is no fun either -- you may as well complain they don't show enough "firemen plucking kittens out of trees" stories.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 12:48:25 PM   
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Oh. Joy.
Another bigoted anti iraqi post aimed at spreading hate and misinformation.
Maybe if you didn't cloud your post with misinformed 'facts', then your actual facts would shine brighter.

Peace and Love

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 7:29:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Oumae


quote:

ORIGINAL: GldnbearJP

the fact that a third world country now has electricity and running water..


I worked in Iraq before the war... they had running water that you could drink from the tap and electricity, it was the war that banjaxed them.

Oumae



Then please explain to me when we turned on the power for the first time in several villages the looks of sheer wonder on their faces? they had never seen it before, most had barely even heard of electricity. The Iraqi's wanted the war, I was in a small boat taking a wounded iraq woman(hurt in a gunfight) who had lost all 3 of her sons during the war, she spoke decent english having studied abroad when she was younger, I asked her if she hated America for the war, she replied, while I grieve for my sons, I am happy for them as well because they died free, which is better than the life saddam was giving them.

Everywhere we went we were greeted with cheers from the Iraqi's, the insurgents...no the terrorists are not Iraqi, they are Syrian, Iranian, Saudi, Egyptian, and more, but very few are actual Iraqi's.

If a man buys an illegal assualt rifle goes to a local school and shoots it up, then stalls investigators from entering his house until he can give it to his neighbor, does that mean he should not be held accountable? Of course not. So why is the world flocking to the defense of a MASS MURDEROR, who shot missiles at Israel during the gulf war, when Israel had no part in it. Who gassed the Iranians, his peopel, HIS OWN FAMILY.

Iraq is now a better place to be in. I've been there twice, and am waiting to hear back if I can go back. I have ASKED to go back. The media is prolonging this war by giving aid and comfort to the enemy, we are at WAR. war is no joke, nor is it good, necessary at times but it's not good. Good things can come out of war(like bringing the US out of the Depression, or ridding the world of an insane tyrant while giving the US an ally in the midst of all of our enemies.)

We eliminated a threat to this country and to the world, why did we do it? Because the Europeans are to cowardly to do it themselves, America has always had to cover for the Europeans-Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq to name a few examples(read the speech by the German Foreign Minister, who shares the same views I do)

Stop destroying morale, stop giving aid and comfort to the enemy, win the war.

That should be what this country focuses on. not the mummers show we call CNN.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 7:57:45 PM   
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We eliminated a threat to this country and to the world, why did we do it?


We eliminated NO threat. The threat still exists, it will always exist, no matter how much one tries to think otherwise.

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The Iraqi's wanted the war,


This is utter bull shit. NO ONE ever WANTS war.

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which is better than the life saddam was giving them.


May I also point out, that the United Nations saw Saddam as a leader, he was accepted as a governing body....BY THE UNITED NATIONS...which includes the UNITED STATES.

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no the terrorists are not Iraqi, they are Syrian, Iranian, Saudi, Egyptian, and more, but very few are actual Iraqi's.


May I ask how you know this? Did you go and do a heritage check on EVERY terroist?

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Iraq is now a better place to be in.


And in your infinte wisdom, could you please tell us what is better about it? Don't hold back, please be specific.

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win the war


You can not win a war that was not meant to be fought. Sorry, but this is too reminiscent of Vietnam.

You are young, and obviously very passionate in your defense, but you should stop and think before giving advice to, or forcing your opinions on others.

And before you bash me for being unpatriotic, let me say this. My husband died in IRAQ, I spent 8 years in the military, 2 in IRAQ during the gulf war, my father was a career Marine, I have lost a brother and a sister to this war...if I was to go back 20 years, knowing what I know now, and have the choice to do it again...I WOULD IN A HEARTBEAT...I would not change anything. While I do NOT agree with our administration over this, I still stand by every decision made.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 9:02:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the war in Iraq happened for a lot of reasons. One reason that's not in the media and will probably never be is China.

China is rapidly becoming a major player in the world oil market as it moves into its own industrial age. Plus, they are already competing with the United States and other customers of the Saudi oil suppliers (this is a major reason for the upswing in oil prices...before Katrina hit).

The United States government naturally seeks to leverage itself with a major Middle Eastern oil supplier (we already are in good with Kuwait for obvious reasons). Iraq is the place to do it. This is all very forward thinking of course but not an impractical one.

The United States does a lot of things without the public's immediate knowledge. How many people here realize the reason the Soviet Union collapse was due to Reagan building up our armed forces to combat a Soviet invasion of Europe? Remember the planned 600 ship navy we were putting together (including 17 Carrier groups)?

The Soviet war doctrine is to have three of everything the enemy has in terms of military hardware (i.e., we build one sub...the Soviets build three). The United States is part of the free world market and could afford to build all that hardware on credit (which is what we did). The Soviet Union didn't enjoy such economic resources due to its isolationist ideology. Essentially we won the Cold War by forcing the Soviets into bankruptcy. The 600 ship navy was stopped at 486 ships if I remember correctly.

Right after the Cold War ended, we got involved in Kuwait. Guess what happened to a lot of the hardware we moved over there to fight the war with? It was sold to the Kuwait government (some to Israel, too). Surplus hardware from the Cold War strategy was liquidated to help pay the outstanding debt Reagan ran up on the cuff.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 9:07:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

War!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again y'all


Katy you forgot the HUH and the GOOD GOD Y'ALL.

Im not sure "having elections" = "freedom".
To quote a bumper sticker (how can you not talk about GW and Iraq without quoting AT LEAST one bumper sticker?)
"these colors dont run (the world)".

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/16/2005 9:08:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would never call you or anyone unpatriotic for voicing their opinion, that is what the first amendment is about, if anything you are MORE patriotic because you stand up and voice your opinion, I am not here to force my opinion on anyone, merely trying to have a debate/conversation on the issue.

I've been there, I've lost friends there. I used to live in Israel, I was in Tel Aviv in 1990 when the Iraqi scuds hit, one of them less than a mile from my house. As long as Saddam Hussein was paying the families of suicide bombers as a reward for their son's martydom he needed to be removed. As long as he had the intention to develop more mass weapons to use against people, he needed to be removed.

You want to know what's better?

look around the country, people are free to choose who leads them(they are voting as we speak), they have freedom to say what they want, believe what they want, do what they want. Freedom. It's something we Americans take for granted, and when it's time to stand up for it, only a few of us have the will to do it.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/17/2005 10:12:34 AM   
anytimeSub


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Status: offline 		How stupid can you get buddy, nobody "wants war".

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/17/2005 11:08:36 AM   
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How stupid can you get buddy, nobody "wants war".


If you want peace, prepare for war.

Turning the other check to get hit again isn't logical. Hitting the other person back even harder to make them not to ever think about hitting you again makes more sense.

As for the media, it's a well known fact that missery draws company. Not many will watch a full hour documentry about how good a person or situation is. Most of us will just say "Well good for them, lucky bastards" and change the channel. It's human behavior to feel better about yourself when you see people less fortunate than you. Good isn't reported much because many just don't want to hear it.

When the media makes the president look bad pointing out every flaw rather than any achievments, people feel better about themselves because they think "Well if the president can't be perfect, then I don't have to be either" using it as an excuse for there own actions. When you watch figure skating, do you want to see a flawless routine or have a chance to laugh when someone falls down on there ass? Many people watch car races look forward to seeing break downs and wrecks rather than seeing who wins.

It dosen't matter if the media is liberal or conservitive. People do not want to hear the positive because it presents a message to them to get off there ass and work at making yourself better. Many of us naturally have a lazy side. Seeing negativity tells us that we are better off than they are and make us feel good at where we are at life not needing to make any more improvment. The media is only giving the people what they want to hear for the ratings. It can be the story, part of the story, or there version of the story but the media will make sure it's what the people want to hear so that we can all feel better about ourselves and keep watching them. And that's why not much of any good news is being given about Iraq.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/17/2005 11:17:17 AM   
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RE: Sick and tired - 12/17/2005 12:09:42 PM   
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If you want peace, prepare for war.


Preparing for war, and WANTING war are two different things. Yes, you should always be prepared, that's a staple in life...but NO WANTS it to happen. As for the rest of what you said...I am in complete agreement...you just managed to say it much better than I did lol.


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RE: Sick and tired - 12/17/2005 12:43:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		The news media is a business enterprise just like Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream. The only time you're seeing "real" reporting is when you're watching a live feed or hearing a live radio broadcast without interpretation. The rest is essentially someone's rendering of what makes "good" news that sells commercials or garners points with a politician or special interest group.

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RE: Sick and tired - 12/17/2005 2:10:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		To say "nobody wants war" ignores the truth of humanity. When those planes hit the trade center 90% of the people in this country wanted war. A large percentage of the people in Iraq wanted Saddam removed and understood that the only way to accomplish that was through war. To say that no goal or ideal is worth human life is utter hypocrisy. We decide as a people every day how many people it's ok to kill just so we can get to work on time. If that were not true then the speed limit would be reduced to 10mph. We also decide how many losses are "acceptable" to attain our political or economic goals, and we elect people who we believe agree with us. At least now the Iraqis can too.

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