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bamabbwsub -> Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 4:57:14 PM)

I heard on the news today that retail sales in October were the worst they've been since 1969. However, the up side to that is that there will probably be better deals for the upcoming Christmas season.



With the economy being what it is, is it going to have any effect on your Christmas giving this year?



Oh, and here's a great site for Black Friday and even pre-Black Friday sales, for those who might be interested:

http://blackfriday.gottadeal.com/




cpK69 -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 4:58:44 PM)

Nope. Haven't been able to do Christmas for three years now; no change.
 
Kim




ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 5:18:41 PM)

Not really a hope in hell that there will be much in the way of a Christams around here.  I think we'll be too busy packing up and storing everything.

Hoping yours is better...

~Dave




littlewonder -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 5:21:23 PM)

Yes my Christmas shopping has come to a screeching halt so far for this year. The economy has taken a toll on my budget and we won't be splurging anywhere even close to what we used to in years past.

I'm trying to look at this as a positive way for me to simplify my life even more but I have a feeling my child won't be feeling the same way.




sub4hire -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 5:47:30 PM)

It will be somewhat the same this year.  The economy is not hitting us as of yet.

Although with buying a business...thats gift enough for me.  So, it may be smaller than normal




pahunkboy -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 10:53:45 PM)

ooooo!  I want an island for Christmas.


Ill be good- I promise!




moonvine -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 10:56:23 PM)

I'm unemployed and on unemployment.  There will be cards and apologies this year.  Maybe some homemade cookies or something. That's all I can do, and that only because I bought the cards last year on after Christmas clearance.

I will miss my Black Friday deals and my after Christmas deals:(




BitaTruble -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 11:00:12 PM)

~FR~

Our budget this year is being determined more by our move to Portugal (in 5 weeks) than by the economy.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 11:04:41 PM)

I predict that many retailers are going to go bankrupt in early 2009.  Circuit City is already teetering.  I think some businesses are doing everything they can to stay alive in the hopes that the Christmas season will save them.  And they're going to be sadly mistaken.




TheHeretic -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/7/2008 11:24:04 PM)

       We started the shopping several weeks ago, at a local craft and art fair.  We'll be taking a road trip to do some more on Veteran's Day.  The malls won't get much help from us, and we'll probably wind up doing a custom calendar order for the extended family and friends.

      This isn't going to be a hard, or lean year in my house (God willing and the creek don't rise).  There have been years when Christmas simply wasn't an option, and there have been years when I had to get mighty creative.  I have gone garage sale shopping very early on Saturday mornings in November (estate sales are even better), and found something for damn near everyone for less than $100, including the cost of the Friday paper, and my gas.

      It's the thought that counts.  For those in the rough patches, with more time than money, my advice is to spend the time coming up with something that shows you know them, and care.




sirsholly -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 4:02:04 AM)

we do family grab bags for the adults, and all give one gift to each of the children. As to the hubby and i...we already said we will focus our Christmas budget on the little one instead of each other.




SilverMark -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 4:14:19 AM)

From a retailers perspective....BUSINESS SUCKS!
I was down more than 50% in one location last month alone! One small store with 1 full time employee 2 part-time and me filling in for days off  cut to the bone on employees and it alone lost $20,000.00....in just one month! By the start of November I am usually selling casual dining to the tune of 2-$3000.00 a day and add in a couple of formal dining pieces and the store is good for a 12-$15,000.00 week. Through the end of October it simply wasn't there!
Christmas is normally OK for business because my stores are heavily into home accessories but even those sales are few and far between. I do a brisk designer business that has disappeared and am looking at changing the format entirely! So, I will not personally change my Christmas that much but, my Christmas for my stores I hold little hope for. PEOPLE GO SPEND SOME MONEY!!!! Do it in your local stores if you can, WalMart will survive without you but your local retailer WILL NOT!....




sirsholly -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 4:16:34 AM)

i agree...support local business when possible!




Aneirin -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 5:42:22 AM)

Yes, Christmas shopping, can someone tell me when it was that xmas ceased to be a gathering of friends and family who come together to feast and enjoy each other's company without needing to spend vast sums of money, often money people don't have ?

What Christmas was has changed beyond reason and what it seems to mean now is a need or a forced need to engage in a buy fest. Christmas has created an expectation, a situation where the essence is about want and need, not good cheer. We feel the need to buy, buy, buy to make christmas a success, the reality is buying things does not equal happiness, as the more people have, the more they want.

Advertising on the run up to Christmas, now it starts in October, advertisements aimed at ums, showing how wonderful a thing is, but the reality being that wonderful thing that so excited an um, really isn't that exciting after all, and the um becomes dissatisfied because of successful marketing. Manufacturers don't care about ums beyond the need to sell and make profit, they parasite on the gullibility of youth. I for one am umless, but what I see on the run upto Christmas, I sincerely pity parents and what they have to go through.

I prefer not to buy gifts for people, not because I am stingy, I am not, I just don't see why christmas has become a time where people expect to be given expensive items that normally they would have to work hard for themselves, perhaps the giving of expensive products has created this easy get society and the credit companies have seen that and seeing the increased potential for profits, have enabled it very cheaply.

What I do give tends to be things I have made, a bit of silver jewellery or just an object I think someone would like. Other times I give old things, things found and restored by me, last year I gave two restored Rolls razor sets, a silver plated one from 1938 and an alluminium one from 1955, they may act as just curios, or they can be used as they are a razor for life, but what does interest, is that those I gave them to, remember their fathers and grand fathers using them, the slap of the hone mechanism, a forgotten memory from a forgotten past.

Who benefits from my way of giving, not high street shop keepers and centralised shopping, but the quiet out of the way, backstreet  shop, quite often a  family owned shop, them and material suppliers, suppliers who do not hike their prices for christmas.

Personally, I would like to see an end to expectation and it's damaging effects, and a return to celebration of the past, if one gives, then give small, don't break the bank and don't saddle oneself with yet another debt to feed the banks and other financial institutions.

Let's get back to reality and once again learn what money really is and what it takes to get it.





thetammyjo -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 5:58:56 AM)

I never wait to shop myself. If I see something one of my friends or menfolk would like and it is on sale, I get it then and it goes into the "gift drawer" all ready labeled so I remember what things are for which people.

Much like last year we're going to get our friends gifts, small, though an charity that donates to the hungry. Thus we give two gifts.

Our "big" gift though is our annual Christmas party we have hosted for 15 years. We make all the food ourselves and play games.

We've never been big on material gifts thus when the economy turns down it changes little for us. In fact, other than computers, we are big on material possessions either and with Tom and Fox in secure, even expanded jobs, we are good. Good enough for me to just read, research, and write full time at this point. (though I do so much teaching this season)




sirsholly -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 6:11:34 AM)

Aneirin...as i stated in my post, we really do not spend that much for the holidays anymore, and guess what??? We still gather together as friends and family, sharing the spirit of the meaning of Christmas. We are a loud obnoxious bunch...not subtle in our joy of being together.

Yes, there are those who have no concept of Christmas other that the quality/quantity of gifts recieved, and i really feel sorry for them. They are too busy with the commercialism to watch the wonder of a childs eyes when viewing the Christmas lights, too busy to go to Midnight Services and hear the choir sing, too busy to make those special family recipes that make the entire house smell so wonderful, too busy to carry on long held traditions, or to start new ones.

Your statement:
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Let's get back to reality and once again learn what money really is and what it takes to get it.

is a sad sign of the times. The season is not about money.




Twicehappy2x -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 6:30:03 AM)

Some Xmas suggestions for those who are feeling the pinch.
 
First to littlewonder, i see you live in PA. There are several good organizations who help with Christmas gifts for children. Give me a day or so, my middle daughter lives there with her husband and ums, i'll send you some links.
 
For the ums.
 
If any of you have female ums, hit your local thrift store and buy an old trunk or a set of suitcases. Then fill it up with wedding/evening gowns, scarves, high heels, items like that from the same thrift stores. Add some dollar store beads and jewelry, tadah, a gift that will keep them busy for hours.
 
Or pick up a good sized baby doll, buy a thrift store cradle/stroller/walker etc, plus a bunch of baby clothes from same store, another gift to keep them busy.
 
Pick up scraps of material, cheap thread, big needles, a plastic crochet hook, mark down/thrift store yarn, beads, fabric paint. Put it all in a thrift store basket/caddy, personalize with their name, another great gift. 
 
Buy a cleaning caddy, add dollar store dusters, thrift store apron, spray bottle for water, cut up some rags, add a kids broom, another good one.
 
Pick up a basket, fancy tea cups, tea pot at your local thrift shop, add a few tea bags tied up in a scrap of pretty material and a tin of cookies, cut some napkins from scrap or buy at thrift store, instant tea party set.
 
For male ums, buy a cheap/thrift store tool box, fill it with dollar store/thrift shop tools, nails, wood glue etc,  hit a lumber yards scrap pile pick up some wood scraps. Instant fun for them. Personalize it by putting their name on the box/contents with paint.
 
Buy/pick up from scrap yard a flat board, paint/draw on roads, add cheap hot wheels, personalize, ie"Big Zack's(insert your ums name here) fast track racing arena".
 
Pick up a kids dollar store wheel barrow, some thrift store small gardening tools, packets of seed, some pots, small bag of dirt, thrift store straw hat, another good one.  
 
Google kids craft projects, there are tons of sites with age appropriate free craft patterns/ideas for kids.
 
For any of the above gifts, wrap each item individually, then put it in the chest/suitcases/tool box etc. This makes Xmas morning a lot of fun as they unwrap each piece and add to their collection of items that make up the set.

 
For the adults.
 
Hit the woods, you can make wreaths from a variety of vines just by twisting them in a circle, gather dried seed pods, cat tail heads, grass seed stems, anything that catches your eye, hot glue to wreath. If you buy these the wreath alone will run you 20-40 bucks. You can make them for the cost of the glue.
 
Pick up thrift store coffee/tea cups, add small packets of tea or coffee (if you search coffee/tea samples, there are lots of companies who will send you free samples, use these and save more money), make chocolate spoons by dipping plastic spoons in melted chocolate, tie to cups, instant small coffee/tea break gift. Wrap by cutting scrap fabric(thrift store Xmas table clothes cut up are great for this) tied with a contrasting strip of material.
 
Pick up some thrift store/dollar store jars, bottles. Fill with homemade cocoa/cookie/quick bread/muffin mix. Tie pretty fabric around lid. Print directions on a scrap of paper, tie on with ribbon.
 
Or, in tall bottles, buy a 1/2 gallon of vinegar, fill the bottle, add a piece of ginger, a few pieces of lemon/orange peel, flavored vinegar. Add garlic gloves and a sprig of basil, another flavor. Just search flavored vinegars and you'll find tons of cheap recipes. If you've ever priced gourmet flavored vinegars, you know how good a gift this really is.
 
Lots of ladies magazines and product sites have free recipes and printable tags with directions. Try Good Housekeeping, Better homes and Gardens, Womans Day, Pillsbury, Nabisco, Hershey's. They also have kids printable coloring pages and craft ideas. 
 
Here is a link to the best free sample directory i know. Use the free samples of coffee/tea in you gift sets. Use the samples of snacks, perfume, etc to fill your stockings.

http://www.mysavings.com/free-product-samples/food-cooking/

 
Print coupons good for small services like baby sitting or a home cooked meal.
 
Honest, you can have a better Xmas with nothing sometimes than by spending a lot of money.
 




Twicehappy2x -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 6:31:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I never wait to shop myself. If I see something one of my friends or menfolk would like and it is on sale, I get it then and it goes into the "gift drawer" all ready labeled so I remember what things are for which people.


Lol, Jewel and i have some rubbermaid containers stashed in my room, we pick up stuff when we see it and stash it there all year long.




corysub -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 7:50:51 AM)

I see more people that will be buying "gift cards" instead of gifts this Christmas.  The trend has been growing in recent years and this year will probably be time when the consumer will postpone buying items until the JanaryFebruary sales.  Those stores that can increase gift card sales will at least have some cash flow....but retail in general sucks.  If we could turn off the TV stations around the country and some of the more hysterical commentators things might not seem so bad.  Thank God the elections are over and those politicians who sold the "end of the world" "great depression" story are safely in their new jobs.  It worked---for them!   
I'm still hopeful that some semblence of belief in our country and ourselves as a people will start to be renewed. 




sub4hire -> RE: Christmas Shopping and the Economy (11/8/2008 8:55:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

ooooo!  I want an island for Christmas.



R, you know I will build you one.  You didn't say how big it had to be.  Would you prefer it to be down by the creek or right in the middle of the backyard?  You can come visit your island anytime you want.

I also believe retailers may go bankrupt before this is all over.  Mervyns is already gone. 
I'm not in favor of Obama's new stimulus package he wants.  Its only going to make more taxes overall for all of us.

Christmas cards have always meant more to me than gifts.  So, that's what I am happy with. 




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