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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:54:05 AM   
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Another example. My mother's surname is Montaño. When she signs it, she signs it Montaño.

When asked how it's spelled (or when typing it), it gets typed Montano. Noone has yet accused me or her of ever mispelling her name for changing the ñ to n.

Interestingly enough, that would be a misspelling.  "n" with the tilde diacritic is considered a distinct letter in Spanish and Filipino (even after the 10th Congress of Association of Spanish Language Academies in 1994 agreed to alphebetize "ch" and "ll", which since 1803 had been considered individual letters).


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:55:10 AM   
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My blood's not boiling, camille - I'm actually laughing at the sillyness of this exchange :-) . If you think that's nasty, perhaps you are oversensitive. One poster didn't get the  joke, and proceeded to argue (pedantically) over the nature of the pun, whilst totally missing out on the fact that it was a  pun on his own misspelling.

Had he taken the pun for what it was, we wouldn't be here, so painfully, a page later... but trust me: it's not nasty. I'd show you nasty, but you're too nice for that. And now, back to our lovely subject of racial prejudice  .

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:55:49 AM   
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Is there a french word for bitter, sore, election winner?  Le meow. 


Mauvaise perdante  .


Nope.  Not at all.  I'm going to continue living my life the way I always have.  With hard work and pride. 
Your sense of humor explains a lot about you and the more you write the more your true colors surface.  Keep it up.  It's amusing.  I'm enjoying it and it's making my computer work much more fun this morning. 

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 7:56:24 AM   
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One poster didn't get the  joke, and proceeded to argue (pedantically) over the nature of the pun, whilst totally missing out on the fact that it was a  pun on his own misspelling.


Except, I think everyone got the pun, and the word wasn't mispelled, as has already been proven.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:02:13 AM   
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One sign of a great pun, no expunation necessary.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:03:36 AM   
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"Most originally non-English words have become “naturalized” into the English language; a similar process occurs in all other languages. This process is carried out mostly unconsciously by all normal users. Since modern dictionaries are mostly descriptive and no longer prescribe outdated forms, they increasingly drop the accents and other diacritics (for example "à propos", which lost both the accent and space to become apropos). Many if not most of the words listed below with accents and other diacritics are actually in the process of losing their accents but can be found in print in both their accented and unaccented versions. Other words are still most often found with their accents, often to help indicate pronunciation (e.g. frappé, naïve, soufflé), or to help distinguish them from an unaccented English word (e.g. exposé, résumé, rosé). Sometimes diacritics are even added to imported words that originally didn't have any, often to distinguish them from common English words or to assist in proper pronunciation; maté from Spanish mate and animé are examples of these. In some cases, the only correct English spelling (as given by the OED and other dictionaries) requires the diacritic (e.g., soupçon, façade). In linguistics, prescription is the laying down or prescribing of normative rules for the use of a language, or the making of recommendations for effective language usage."

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/English-words-with-diacritics

This should be informative enough for everyone: it's not because you've been writing a word incorrectly all your life that it makes you right. Geesh!

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:05:31 AM   
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That source happens to be missing a minor fact - that there are dictionaries that actually spell it "soupcon".

Maybe due in part to what that article *does* bring up (the important part IMO)...

"When foreign words are used in a new language — in this case English — they are eventually “naturalized”; their pronunciation and spelling are gradually adapted to the rules of the host language." 

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:07:47 AM   
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Which dictionaries? I would advise you to drop them and to seek an alternative source of information.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:08:08 AM   
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Tres Bolleaux

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:08:44 AM   
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Or just keep my realizataion that language *does* evolve.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:12:13 AM   
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Which dictionaries? I would advise you to drop them and to seek an alternative source of information.


This one:
http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/so/soupcon.html


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:12:48 AM   
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That source happens to be missing a minor fact - that there are dictionaries that actually spell it "soupcon".

Or the fact that her other example word, "facade", appears in Merriam Webster with and without the diacritic.


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:13:40 AM   
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In some cases, the only correct English spelling (as given by the OED and other dictionaries) requires the diacritic (e.g., soupçon, façade). In linguistics, prescription is the laying down or prescribing of normative rules for the use of a language, or the making of recommendations for effective language usage."


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:16:50 AM   
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soupcon

Note the diacritic, and it's the M-W. Strange, isn't it?


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:19:27 AM   
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Well, call yourself whatever you like, but my um's will not refer to themselves as mutts and neither will I refer to them as that. I would not refer to yours as mutts either.

I still find it an asinine reference but to each their own.


When asked our background, our family members will say 'we're mutts.'  I have very mixed blood - some Irish/English/German/Polish/Austrian/you name a European background, it's probably in there somewhere.  I smiled when Obama referred to himself that way. 



As I said, call yourself whatever you want. For me, I find the word as a reference to human beings asinine ... kind of like the N-word. I would not go up to an um and say ...

"Hey come here you mutt."

I will say this one last time, then we'll all agree to disagree. If you have no issue reffering to yourself and your um as a mutt, by all means, that is your right. Me and mine will not be using the term.


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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:20:42 AM   
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And note that even the M-W has for it's heading -

soupcon

One entry found.


With Webster's already being updated with the spelling, I'm quite certain this entry will be amended in due time.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:25:04 AM   
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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 8:31:19 AM   
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(What kittin might not realize is I once had this same argument with my English professor when he noted it.  Thanks mainly to Webster, I won the argument then and he allowed it to stand hehe.)

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 9:02:02 AM   
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Enough, folks.

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RE: transcending racial prejudice - 11/10/2008 9:11:52 AM   
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KS was making A JOKE...
based on the American tendency to NOT use the little doohickeys that determine pronunciation and usages.. *sheesh*


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