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i hate that a large majority voted for him because they believed he represented their race.

Election data doesn't support this at all. Quite the opposite, in fact---many of other races who never thought they'd see the day, but voted for Obama.

Oh my ... please don't bring that thing called ... um ... logic, into this conversation!!

No, no ... we cannot have that! *smirks*

Honestly, your take isn't helping things either.

Let the facts speak, let others rant.

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

THANK YOU PHILO!!   *smooch*

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Today it works like this ...

When you are Black and you are a symbol of grand achievement or beauty, you are not really black ie Tiger Woods, Obama, Halle Berry and ect or you are exceptional; an anomaly ... well maybe if we reach back a bit more we'll find some proof that you aren't really %100 African black.

However, the first time you fuck up ... you black again ...

Gary Dourdan.

I'm just speaking truth. Care to do the same?

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As you wish. Enjoy.

Though you might note you just attributed to me a list of things I neither said nor implied.

Lots of that going around, as well as the prideful "I'll say what I want" thing, when really so much of all this is just bluster.

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What exactly am I saying that you would attribute to bluster? I believe, when I started the other thread I was relaying a personal feeling. I was not trying to engage in a political battle or squabble about race labels but obviously this is what it descended into.

Can you provide an example of something I specifically and falsely attributed to you during my previous comment?

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Honestly, your take isn't helping things either.

Let the facts speak, let others rant.

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I do not rant, I speak from my experience. I can direct you to plenty of places where there's ranting going on. Where have I stated that those whom did not vote for Obama are racist? Nowhere.

As for speaking facts, they do not matter when one wants to put their hands to their ears and shut them out. I've been down this road before, when I shut down the computer, I know the reality I face. Whether someone here understands that or not, I cannot worry about.

In my other thread I posted a person thought and of course it descended into a political debate and qualifier on who is American, who is not and blah blah. Well I will not bite my tongue or censor my thoughts to make other's comfortable.

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i am speaking from experience, i have lived it!

i was raised by white grandparents.  i attended a mostly white school until i was in the 7th grade.  i was for the most part totally accepted in the white community i was raised in.  once i reached my teen years my experience of acceptance by the black community was not the same.  i found myself going back to the white community because of the hatred for whites in the black community.  my grandparents (both WW2 veterans) were very good to me and always instilled in me that it is what is inside a person that counts not skin color. 

as i have matured, married, had kids etc i discovered that my skin color does not matter!  this country must come together and forget the things that seperate us.  i hate being pulled back & forth.  i want peace and acceptance for your children and mine. 

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What exactly am I saying that you would attribute to bluster? I believe, when I started the other thread I was relaying a personal feeling. I was not trying to engage in a political battle or squabble about race labels but obviously this is what it descended into.

Can you provide an example of something I specifically and falsely attributed to you during my previous comment?

I said:

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Honestly, your take isn't helping things either.

Let the facts speak, let others rant.

To which you replied:

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I do not rant, I speak from my experience. I can direct you to plenty of places where there's ranting going on. Where have I stated that those whom did not vote for Obama are racist? Nowhere.

As for speaking facts, they do not matter when one wants to put their hands to their ears and shut them out. I've been down this road before, when I shut down the computer, I know the reality I face. Whether someone here understands that or not, I cannot worry about.

In my other thread I posted a person thought and of course it descended into a political debate and qualifier on who is American, who is not and blah blah. Well I will not bite my tongue or censor my thoughts to make other's comfortable.

Make a list.

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Today it works like this ...

When you are Black and you are a symbol of grand achievement or beauty, you are not really black ie Tiger Woods, Obama, Halle Berry and ect or you are exceptional; an anomaly ... well maybe if we reach back a bit more we'll find some proof that you aren't really %100 African black.

However, the first time you fuck up ... you black again ...

Gary Dourdan.

I'm just speaking truth. Care to do the same?

So that's how it works!

Glad you cleared all that up.

It must be tough having to bear the burden of emlightening the world with truth.

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i am speaking from experience, i have lived it!

i was raised by white grandparents.  i attended a mostly white school until i was in the 7th grade.  i was for the most part totally accepted in the white community i was raised in.  once i reached my teen years my experience of acceptance by the black community was not the same.  i found myself going back to the white community because of the hatred for whites in the black community.  my grandparents (both WW2 veterans) were very good to me and always instilled in me that it is what is inside a person that counts not skin color. 

as i have matured, married, had kids etc i discovered that my skin color does not matter!  this country must come together and forget the things that seperate us.  i hate being pulled back & forth.  i want peace and acceptance for your children and mine. 

I'm glad you had a good experience with your grandparents and I'm saddened you had a negative one with certain Black people you've encountered, but others have not.

No one is asking you to don the flag of Black Nationalism and prop a Black beret on your head. You've experienced prejudice from some Black Folks and so have I. I've also experienced it from some White folks.

The key word is some not all.

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A perspective from across the pond:

It didn't seem to me (nor to others here with whom I spoke) that this was a US election based on aspects of race; rather it seemed a contest between an older man with conventional politics and a younger man with a charismatic personality and a feeling of new hope.

And like others I felt rather emotional when Obama won, but not for any feeling of race whatsoever; one has become so used to seeing a variety of different races and mixed races everywhere in the modern world that, for most of us (I'd better say for many of us), over here colour is completely immaterial. I'm unclear but I suspect my moist eyes were for youth and hope.

But I appreciate that I say that as a Brit or a European, not well versed in American perceptions. It does seem to me that race remains a very much more significant worry for you guys, where we seem to have a different, and perhaps easier, take this side of the Atlantic.

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i am speaking from experience, i have lived it!

i was raised by white grandparents.  i attended a mostly white school until i was in the 7th grade.  i was for the most part totally accepted in the white community i was raised in.  once i reached my teen years my experience of acceptance by the black community was not the same.  i found myself going back to the white community because of the hatred for whites in the black community.  my grandparents (both WW2 veterans) were very good to me and always instilled in me that it is what is inside a person that counts not skin color. 

as i have matured, married, had kids etc i discovered that my skin color does not matter!  this country must come together and forget the things that seperate us.  i hate being pulled back & forth.  i want peace and acceptance for your children and mine. 

I'm glad you had a good experience with your grandparents and I'm saddened you had a negative one with certain Black people you've encountered, but others have not.

No one is asking you to don the flag of Black Nationalism and prop a Black beret on your head. You've experienced prejudice from some Black Folks and so have I. I've also experienced it from some White folks.

The key word is some not all.

observer
the stepshow i attended consisted of approximately 1000 black people and approximately 50 white people.  a small percentage of the black and almost all of the white people had a puzzled look on their faces when the crowd cheered to the mantra "no more white suppression!  the black people are in control now and we are going to turn this country around!"  this scared the hell outta me and some of the others.  then the black national anthem was sung, but the national anthem was not.  my point is that both anthems should have been played/sung.  i respect both as an american. i was raised that we all are equal.

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ORIGINAL: Sundowner



FR

A perspective from across the pond:

It didn't seem to me (nor to others here with whom I spoke) that this was a US election based on aspects of race; rather it seemed a contest between an older man with conventional politics and a younger man with a charismatic personality and a feeling of new hope.

And like others I felt rather emotional when Obama won, but not for any feeling of race whatsoever; one has become so used to seeing a variety of different races and mixed races everywhere in the modern world that, for most of us (I'd better say for many of us), over here colour is completely immaterial. I'm unclear but I suspect my moist eyes were for youth and hope.

But I appreciate that I say that as a Brit or a European, not well versed in American perceptions. It does seem to me that race remains a very much more significant worry for you guys, where we seem to have a different, and perhaps easier, take this side of the Atlantic.