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SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 7:09:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

What's wrong with new age, surely it has got to be better than  neanderthal, I believe in the progression of humanity, not the regression.


Thanks for so clearly demonstrating my point about you.  Read and hear only what you want, all with the goal of further aggrandizing your own ego and patching over your own insecurities. 




SilverMark -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 7:10:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Actualy you can kill a person with a slingshot. Are hunters supposed to throw rocks at bear and moose.

Now that would make hunting really interesting!




thishereboi -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 7:21:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Actualy you can kill a person with a slingshot. Are hunters supposed to throw rocks at bear and moose.

Now that would make hunting really interesting!



My sister sent me this story and when I read your post about making hunting interesting, I thought it fit.

Roping A Deer------- ( Names have been removed to protect the Stupid! )
Actual letter from someone who farms and writes well! Thankful he survived the lesson

I had this idea that I was going to rope a deer, put it in a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it.
The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it down) then hog tie it and transport it home.

I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with my rope.
The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it.
After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up -- 3 of them. I picked out.. ..a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and threw.. my rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me.

I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation.
I took a step towards it...it took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope and then received an education.

The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope.

That deer EXPLODED.

The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could fight down with a rope and with some dignity.
A deer-- no chance.

That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined.
The only up side is that they do not have as much stamina as many other animals.

A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope.
I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing, and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual.

Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility for the situation we were in, so I didn't want the deer to have to suffer a slow death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder - a little trap I had set before hand...kind of like a squeeze chute.

I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could get my rope back.

Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised when I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist.
Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a horse where they just bite you and then let go. A deer bites you and shakes its head --almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts.

The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method was ineffective. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes, but it was likely only several seconds.
I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning that claim by now), tricked it.

While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.
Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and their hooves are surprisingly sharp. I learned a long time ago that, when an animal -- like a horse --strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily, the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards the animal.

This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you can escape.
This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run..

The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down.

Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.
I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went away.

So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring a rifle with a scope to sort of even the odds.




Outlaw85 -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 7:38:49 AM)

ya know, every single argument has been made from every single angle more than one time each in this thread.   I think i'm stepping out, having said all that I wanted to say on it many pages earlier.




mistoferin -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 7:49:25 AM)

Thank you so much for that story! I think I may have popped something out of place laughing!!!!




Aynne88 -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 8:48:11 AM)

Crap. Agreeing with CL again. [8D]


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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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why have a gun and the problems they cause.

The problem with this question is it is not relevant in a free society.  The 2nd Amendment means I do not have to justify myself, ever.





xBullx -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 9:57:01 AM)

That deer story is priceless...................




Musicmystery -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 9:59:16 AM)

Bill Buford last year wrote a piece for the "New Yorker," titled "Talking Turkey," which includes a turkey kicking the shit out of the guy who raised him.




HunterS -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 11:55:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
The 2nd Amendment means I do not have to justify myself, ever.



Yeah right...Because you have the right to own a gun does not mean you do not have to be responsible for your actions.

H. 




HunterS -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 11:57:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar
Are hunters supposed to throw rocks at bear and moose.


Wanna go bear hunting ray? I'll let you go first. I'll watch from the car.


The largest land mammal on the planet is hunted by the smallest humans on the planet with nothing but pointed sticks...no steel tips,no stone tips...now that is bad ass.
 
H.




Aneirin -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 12:48:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

What's wrong with new age, surely it has got to be better than  neanderthal, I believe in the progression of humanity, not the regression.


Thanks for so clearly demonstrating my point about you.  Read and hear only what you want, all with the goal of further aggrandizing your own ego and patching over your own insecurities. 


I not one to take another's word about another until I have experienced the same for myself, now know for myself, congratulations SimplyMichael, you have clearly demonstrated to me what others have said. But here for the civilitry of these forums, I will refrain from being lured into countering your insult with what has been observed about you.




ModeratorEleven -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 12:53:35 PM)

Ok folks, enough.  Take this to email if you want to insult each other.

XI




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 2:18:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HunterS

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
The 2nd Amendment means I do not have to justify myself, ever.




Yeah right...Because you have the right to own a gun does not mean you do not have to be responsible for your actions.

H. 


*Puzzled*  I was not aware that anyone had stated that the 2nd amendment right to own a gun also relieved anyone of the responsibility of what they do with said gun. 




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 2:19:11 PM)

Thank you for sharing that story!  What a hoot!




toledotpeslave -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 6:00:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin


Could it be even that the US fascination with firearms in fact is good training for the job of fighting, you are breeding soldiers of the future, people au fait and ready to take up arms for whatever cause. The fostering of the gung-ho spirit has it's uses.




The US (according to the Left since the start of GWII) is short of soldiers. According to Charlie Rangell (sp) only poor young black men are dying in Iraq (thus his bring back the draft legislation).

There are a lot of "gun guys" that deep down extreme pacifists. It's the young Left in Che tshirts you have to worry about.




toledotpeslave -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 6:04:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissouMama

Really want to save lives?   More people are killed every year by either cigarettes or kitchen knives.

That should be your target......


Box cutters work pretty good at bringing down sky skrapers, or so I've heard.






HunterS -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 6:23:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: HunterS

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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
The 2nd Amendment means I do not have to justify myself, ever.




Yeah right...Because you have the right to own a gun does not mean you do not have to be responsible for your actions.

H. 


*Puzzled*  I was not aware that anyone had stated that the 2nd amendment right to own a gun also relieved anyone of the responsibility of what they do with said gun. 



That would be the reason I posted his quote with my response...I have posted it again since you seem to have missed it the first time.
If he would have said ..."The second amendment means I don't have to justify owning a gun ever"...I would have no problem because I feel the same way...but that is not what he said,is it?  He said "I don't have to justify myself ever".  I have read many of your posts Ms. Gold and a recurring theme in them is that the individual is responsible for their actions.  I feel the same way.
 
H.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 6:41:17 PM)

He said it in the context of gun ownership, and I believe that is how it is meant to be read. Now if you are just arguing for points, and disregarding context, i can see how you would be correct.

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ORIGINAL: HunterS

That would be the reason I posted his quote with my response...I have posted it again since you seem to have missed it the first time.
If he would have said ..."The second amendment means I don't have to justify owning a gun ever"...I would have no problem because I feel the same way...but that is not what he said,is it?  He said "I don't have to justify myself ever".  I have read many of your posts Ms. Gold and a recurring theme in them is that the individual is responsible for their actions.  I feel the same way.
 
H.




DMFParadox -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 6:48:54 PM)

I'd like to address the point about owning assault weapons, here.

The 2nd Amendment is not in place to assist in the defense of citizens against criminals--that's just a neat side effect. The primary motivation that our founding fathers had in instituting this law was to ensure that the citizens had real, meaningful power to prevent their budding democracy from being taken over by a bully with too much firepower to argue with.

The system we have now is a labyrinthine network of checks, balances, compromises and occasional abuses of the aforementioned labyrinth. Because the systems that are the front line defenses of our liberties--political activism, watchdog groups, hungry lawyers, social recombination, and sheer social inertia--do not involve weaponry, we tend to discount the influence that having a country full of armed and dangerous citizens imparts on our government.

Do you know what one of the first things Hitler did upon taking office was? A national gun registration act. Think about that. Take true power away from the citizens--and yeah, true power does come in some part from the availability of firearms--and you're left at the mercy of the group in power. Here, in the States, that group is us, a representation of us... but there's no guarantee that it will always be, except for our constitutional and amended rights and freedoms.

Places like Britain and France have governments that do obey their citizens, because the citizens can still riot, can still get together and protest, can still make their voices heard. But technology marches on, and it's possible now to make guns that shoot through walls, through feet of concrete; optics that see through walls; your every move can be recorded and analyzed for 'illegal' behavior, if we allowed the tech to be put into place. Which, bit by bit, we are. Frankly, I think that if a government has access to this kind of power, the citizens must have some equal balancing factor--and I can think only of one: we get the same toys. Period. And we all watch each other, very politely, and keep each other from misusing them. That's my take.  Although if someone has a better idea of a balance on this kind of power, I'm perfectly willing to be persuaded; I think, like many other things, that freedoms to use firearms aren't 'good' but simply the lesser of evils.




MadRabbit -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/14/2008 9:12:41 PM)

Maybe they should take away our guns.

It might be a good idea since I am feeling an inkling to shoot some people after reading the rest of this thread.




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