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HisPrincess05 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 11:59:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterTslave for us...Master T was my Dom and i his sub before we were married. Right before we got married, Master T had me read some things he had about what a slave was to Him. Master wanted to "own" me in every way when we got married. I agreed and have loved it! I enjoy doing things for Master T 24/7, love that he is always in charge and he treats me like his most prized property. That was what OUR difference between a sub and slave is. Everyone is different. Thats exactly how master makes me feel. I love doing things for master as well. I'm here 24/7 and its amazing. thank you for that post. master owns ME IN EVERYWAY POSSIBLE.

Aynne88 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 1:37:04 PM)
Then you really shouldn't say you messed up and that is why your are not "more than just a slave to him. I am his slave, his lover, his girl, starting next week his employee ( god help him ) and eventually his wife. So I know you might not have meant to, but that is rather insulting. Don't assume that because to you it is "just" being a slave when to many that word is beautiful and cherished.

HisPrincess05 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 2:53:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 Then you really shouldn't say you messed up and that is why your are not "more than just a slave to him. I am his slave, his lover, his girl, starting next week his employee ( god help him ) and eventually his wife. So I know you might not have meant to, but that is rather insulting. Don't assume that because to you it is "just" being a slave when to many that word is beautiful and cherished. now that think back to our conversation- i do love being his slave. he is the most amazing man I could possible have in my life. I do cherish being whatever he wishes for me to be. slave, slut, whore, whatever.... i know that i'm protected from harm, i protected because he owns me. thanks for your reply and opening up my eyes. much love

Aynne88 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 5:21:16 PM)
YW Princess, I didn't mean to sound like I was criticizing you, I appreciate you understanding where I was coming from. Just keep being open and communicating with him, just like vanilla life, these misunderstanding happen. It will all work out for the best. Just remember, he chose you because he values you as well, you are someone to be valued and you have worth. Never underestimate yourself. Hugs[:)]

greeneyedreamer -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 5:33:39 PM)
LOL makes me think of the time i was new and asked about outing a horrible dom.... ROFL... OH GOD... that's a mistake I'll never make again!!!!!!! Relax Princess, we all were new and we all make mistakes. Of course, you won't make this one again! Grins slightly evilly.. Dreamer

UmbraDomina -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/14/2008 10:44:04 PM)
note this is strictly my own personal opinion based on my relationships, not meant to be a guide or rules for anyone else. A submissive (to me) is someone who is or has a desire to be submissive to another, or a submissive personality or chooses a submissive role within a relationship. A slave (to me) is someone who has a submissive desire and has entered into a relationship with a dominant personality and has grown in the relationship to a degree of trust and communication, that they feel comfortable giving 100% of their trust to the dominant person. They trust that the dominant partner will not harm them so they offer up their limits, or safeword (if they had them), as no longer needed, they have complete and unwavering trust in their dominant partner so they offer up their bodies and soul as property to the dominant partner.

persephonee -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/15/2008 4:24:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b Oh dear. I think I'll keep out of this one. ooo Stella has new pics...Stella has new pics.....im off to perv. princess~ dont sweat the words either of you use....try to focus on whether you feel fulfilled or not within the relationship (do that to yourself--not very slaveyjust kidding) And if you want this relationship....focus on pleasing him...dats the endgame here.

Aynne88 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/15/2008 6:35:22 AM)
Actually Domina, that is really pretty much how it is for "us" too. That is a good explanation for me, of course there are thousands out there. Nicely worded though. I think some people tend to dismiss that a Master can and oft times does love their slave in the same way any man loves any woman, it is not the love that is different, it is just the relationship dynamic. I know, again, not for everyone, but for me, I love Him not because he is my Master, I love him because he is the man I fell in love with, the fact he is my Owner is just icing on the cake. [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: UmbraDomina note this is strictly my own personal opinion based on my relationships, not meant to be a guide or rules for anyone else. A submissive (to me) is someone who is or has a desire to be submissive to another, or a submissive personality or chooses a submissive role within a relationship. A slave (to me) is someone who has a submissive desire and has entered into a relationship with a dominant personality and has grown in the relationship to a degree of trust and communication, that they feel comfortable giving 100% of their trust to the dominant person. They trust that the dominant partner will not harm them so they offer up their limits, or safeword (if they had them), as no longer needed, they have complete and unwavering trust in their dominant partner so they offer up their bodies and soul as property to the dominant partner.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/15/2008 7:11:39 AM)
Oh, I just learned the difference recently. Submissives are rented, but slaves are bought with sub-prime loans and varying interest rates. (the actual statement was: submissives are kept, slaves are owned)

HisPrincess05 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/15/2008 7:32:41 AM)
Thanks so much I needed all those comments this morning. I am struggling today more the usual with myself. See I just cant seem to get past how I fucked up in May... which was really really really really bad to the point I almost lost him. When he decided that I was sincere and willing to do what it took to make things right he was there. Master took my heart 9 months ago when I first laid eyes on him. Its hard for me to trust and give my trust to someone however with it was automatic with master. I know that I am safe with him- I know that he has my best interest at heart. I know that he does love me in ways that I have never been loved before. After reading and meditating on the subject, I do enjoy being his slave. I think I would rather be his slave than anything else. He told me from day one that I was his MAIN sub/slave that he would mold me into what he wanted me to be and thats exactly what he has done. I honor and trust him with every bit of my being. I gave up limits and safe words a long time a go. I tell my vanilla friends this is not the normal relationship that you live in but it works for me. If i could only forgive myself for disrespecting him so in MAY that things would not be so frustrating for me now. I really appreciate everyone's comments they do help... much love. Princess

fairerthanshe -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/15/2008 8:15:27 AM)
Okay princess, Here's the hard truth. Your guilt is not yours to own. Its one of the many things you gave up the right to when you became HIS slave. If you are his slave and he has forgiven you, then what right do you have to say he is wrong for forgiving you? Do you catch my drift here? It really doesn't matter the severity of your fuck-up - really really really - still doesn't matter. Once he says its over - its over. You are the only thing holding you back, but, princess, you are really really really holding yourself back on this one. Let go ~ fairer

beargonewild -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/15/2008 9:00:40 AM)
Well said fairer. As humans, we need to learn to forgive ourselves and as a sub/slave, we need to learn that we gave that trust to our doms to deal with. btw: hope all is well with you and yours! Missed our IM chats!

fairerthanshe -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/15/2008 11:09:25 AM)
Greetings bear, Love the latest pic! Mui caliente! Things are well here in the Great State - how's things with you? much love ~ fairer

Obsidiansnamaste -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/17/2008 2:10:14 AM)
Greetings princess, In answer to your first question: i would say a submissive is one who is most fulfilled and most "them" when they submit but retain some controls and limits in the relationship. A slave is one who is most fulfilled and most themsleves when they relinquish all limts and all controls to the Master in the relationship. To speak to your difficulty in getting past your mistakes...this is most definitely one of the harder facets of slavery. The idea that it's ALL your Masters... and only He can decide how long you need be punished for , not you. Consider it this way...if He has forgiven you and moved past it...you do Him a disservice by dwelling in your previous failures. you are essentially saying that you know better then He. As Master says, "The slaves standards can not exceed the Masters, it is impossible. The Masters standard is THE standard to end all others."

antipode -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/17/2008 9:00:21 AM)
quote: I am his slave, his lover, his girl, starting next week his employee ( god help him ) and eventually his wife. Y'all believe in one stop shopping, no doubt [;)]

Aynne88 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/17/2008 12:07:25 PM)
Well, note I did not say anything about "mother of his children?" antipode? lol....no interest in that particular job position. Other than that I do believe in multi-tasking![;)] quote: ORIGINAL: antipode quote: I am his slave, his lover, his girl, starting next week his employee ( god help him ) and eventually his wife. Y'all believe in one stop shopping, no doubt [;)]

HisPrincess05 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/17/2008 1:45:31 PM)
This is my collarme journal entry- from yesterday!!! Thank you so much for all of your words, wisdoms, and kindness. I really appreciate all of the input all who have given me advice. I took that advice and now i know that i would be the downfall of my ownself. Much love. Princess Today I sat alone like most days when Master is working but today I was not alone so to speak- I had my mind to pre-occupy myself most of the day. This past week has been some what of an eye-opener for me. I never knew how much I actually beat myself up over the mistake that i made in May. Until this week I thought I was actually over it but with some new revelations within my relationship with my Master I see that I am not over it at all not until now... I was talking with a submissive friend and she asked me the following: You made a mistake. You were disciplined and punished for it by your master. Now! What I think would be good for you to ask yourself is this: Was his punishment not good enough for you? Did he not do his job and hold up his responsibilities and fulfill his duties as your master in correcting and guiding you? After reading your posts again, you sound as if you may be on the verge of disrespect by not letting go. He handled it for you!!! LET IT GO!!! There is no way you can let yourself be what he wants you to be if you stayed bound by your what-ifs, and should-haves. That's water under the bridge. Let it go! You know she is absolutely right, I am on the verge of disrespecting him again by not letting it go. I do have a fabulous Master who is strict, patient, kind, protective, caring~~i could keep going and going. He has given me life when i didnt think I could ever been happy again. he has brought sunshine into my soul where it was dark and dreary. I may have lost something in May....but I may never know what that would have been but what I know now is I do have something very special.... I'm owned and collared by the one who has the keys to my heart, body, mind, and soul...MY MASTER for that I am totally and completely grateful. For that I am so grateful to be able to serve him completely- to be all that he wishes. I am HONORED TO BE HIS SLAVE. Being HIS and ONLY HIS property. Being on the pedestal that has placed me - I am ever so grateful. He chose me because he saw something in me that no other saw. He gave me the most precious thing anyone could ever give me- peace, tranquilty, guidance, patience, love, understanding, but most of all he gave me my life back to who i really am. He created me and molded me into his slave and thats where he wants me to be...nothing else matters. Everything in life happens for a reason and it wasnt meant for me to be whatever it was but what was meant for me is to be where I am now, to be who i am now, and to be the property of my Master. Regardless if its sub or slave I am his collared property. Letting go of the past I can concentrate on being what ever he wishes, to give him what ever he wants, to please in any shape, or form, or fashion, to be his slut, his whore, his everything. I am his slave and proud say that in my heart I've always known thats were i was suppose to be. I have my place at the feet of my Master, I know my place but the most amazing part is I know I'm HIS PRINCESS~HIS CREATION-AND NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT FROM ME~only Master can remove that and as long as I do as I'm told I will always hold that most precious place upon which I kneel before him.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/17/2008 2:42:53 PM)
One thing that I've found makes a -huge- difference in the capacity to serve with grace is the ability to live in the moment. Everyone makes mistakes. You made a mistake in the past, but the past is gone. Now it is today, and each day is a new opportunity to be the person that you want to be. As a keeper, I screw up regularly. My mouth typically gets me in trouble, because I am -extremely- verbal. Sometimes, I just say too damned much. Do I kick myself over it? Yeah, in the moment I kinda do... but once that moment is over, the only thing I retain is the lesson (and some lessons take more repetition than others. grins). I try not to make the same mistakes over and over again, but I don't beat myself up if I screw up on something more than once... As a keeper, I'm also responsible for meting out discipline for the servant(s). Yes, sometimes they screw up. Sometimes it is big things, sometimes small. Sometimes, the problem is big enough that we have to hold a conclave to determine suitable management and deal with the impact to the House... sometimes its small, and one of the trainers takes over dealing with the issue -- but in any case, once the chain-of-command has dealt with the problem, as long as the servant accepts responsibility and completes the disciplines to deal with whatever happened, it's over. I think, as a culture, we tend to cling to our guilt. We claim victimhood for ourselves, and beat ourselves up over things that are long gone. This philosophy is promoted in many religions, and is raised to an art form in a number of sub-cultures. It is not, however, terribly productive. Think about what you are supposed to be to your keeper -- you are to be a source of joy, a well-trained, graceful, and happily serving individual... if you are steeped in guilt, it is likely that you are unhappy more than joyful, hesitant in your execution of new skills rather than exhuberant in your training, and inclined to carry yourself with shame rather than grace -- and it leaves you less than happy in your service, because your mind is not on this moment's service, but on your past errors. In letting go, you free yourself to be the servant that you wish to be, and offer him the servant that he claimed you to be.

CaringandReal -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/17/2008 3:50:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HisPrincess05 OK OK... thanks for the guidance on the search feature of this site- I'm sorry for asking the same thing that has been asked several times before. I'm fairly new to this site as well so now that i know there is a search feature I will be using it. again... thanks I think it's quite nice to be able to ask a question interactively and get responses, no matter how many times it's been asked before, rather than have to look it up as if one were in a stuffy library with annoying corncobs-up-asses librarians harrasing you about doing your research properly (frown). It's friendly and social, which I think was what message boards were supposed to be all about? Once upon a time? Before they became Theaters of A- ... but I digress. ;) I agreed with the person near the top of the thread who said that those terms, slave and submissive, are whatever you and your master agree they are--although if you have agreed to be someone's slave then you have pretty much agreed to his definition of that term, as well. But yeah, there is no fixed meaning for these words that is generally accepted as the right ones by a majority of people. I used to use the two words interchangably to describe myself, and so did my former owner. But because there are so many different ways of viewing them, one of the first things I ask someone I'm interested in getting to know is how he defines those words, as, if things progress positively, his definitions are going to become my own! "if I was his sub that he would be nicer to me than he is now~ " You said that broke your heart, but it could mean something positive. I guess I would have had to be there to know for sure. But hearing that statement from my owner, if I were owned, would personally make me quite happy. It's cool when you are intimate enough with someone and have so few barriers that he can treat you howsoever he pleases without having to hold back or censor himself, even if that treatment is quite harsh at times, and meaner than he might treat a sub. You get to experience a level of intensity that your owner might not bestow on someone he considers a submissive. That's a treat, a hardcore treat, but still a treat. :)

HisPrincess05 -> RE: Can someone explain the difference between Submissive and Slave? Your definition (11/19/2008 9:09:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CaringandReal "if I was his sub that he would be nicer to me than he is now~ " You said that broke your heart, but it could mean something positive. I guess I would have had to be there to know for sure. But hearing that statement from my owner, if I were owned, would personally make me quite happy. It's cool when you are intimate enough with someone and have so few barriers that he can treat you howsoever he pleases without having to hold back or censor himself, even if that treatment is quite harsh at times, and meaner than he might treat a sub. You get to experience a level of intensity that your owner might not bestow on someone he considers a submissive. That's a treat, a hardcore treat, but still a treat. :) YES YES YES...OH YES its a real treat for me. I know that i am his most cherished property and i love that. He give me more intensity than others i know. Thank you so much.

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