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Notanaddict -> needle play (12/20/2005 3:54:49 PM)

why is needleplay considered "edgy" play? is it because the skin barrier is broken and there is blood involved? can't that happen with everything? I would think that flogging done correctly, or uncorrectly (depends what u're looking for) can cause bleeding, or at least minor abbrations that can fascilitate bodyfluid exchange and a potential infection?

Its just wierd to me, as it was the first thing i was ever introduced to within bdsm, and i don't see it as either scary or painful...maybe ithelps we were both nurses?



JohnWarren -> RE: needle play (12/20/2005 4:34:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Notanaddict

why is needleplay considered "edgy" play? is it because the skin barrier is broken and there is blood involved? can't that happen with everything? I would think that flogging done correctly, or uncorrectly (depends what u're looking for) can cause bleeding, or at least minor abbrations that can fascilitate bodyfluid exchange and a potential infection?

Its just wierd to me, as it was the first thing i was ever introduced to within bdsm, and i don't see it as either scary or painful...maybe ithelps we were both nurses?


I don't really consider needle play as edgy, but it does seem to boost the apparent endorphine level in some people all out of proportion with the degree of "stimulation" (eg pain) involved. It may be the body's reaction to the primary defense, skin, being breeched.

Of course, it can also be intensely painful. There's a fictional version of needle scene-ender in the story The Brat on my website.





Archer -> RE: needle play (12/20/2005 5:44:51 PM)

I would conject that needleplay gets put in the edgeplay box for most people because it is bloodplay by design. It's damn near impossible to do it without any blood at all, as opposed to impact play where keeping it bloodless is easy if you have a little skill.

However you will of course discover over time that one person's edgeplay is another persons standard play.

One other thing that comes to mind as to why needleplay would be considered edgey is the fact that needles are an invassive type of play as mentioned they actually enter the body. That may be for many the reason they create such a facination and a reaction beyond the expected level as John mentioned. Add to that the psycological impact that drawing blood has being a very visual image for life. and you have a pretty good case for many people seeing it as edgey.

Then of course you have the image of risks taken into account, ie pathenogens

But overall while I consider needleplay to be an "advanced skill" I don't consider it really edgeplay.

In Leather

Archer



starlaTDM -> RE: needle play (12/21/2005 1:06:38 PM)

I think needle play is edge play especially when He is sewing the labia lips together

yes definite edge play




afmvdp -> RE: needle play (12/22/2005 10:49:13 AM)

Normally just comes from those a bit less experienced with it. Plus many have an irrational fear of needles anyway so it just adds to that.

When done properly and in a sanitary way it is near harmless and less likely to leave perm marks than , lets say, a heavy flogging but if not done properly it's more likely to cause infections, spread disease, etc because it is entering directly into the bloodstream.

Again, to the trained and safe, not much risk. To Joe Junkie who happens to have some extra sewing kit needles around and decides to poke everyone in the club, it can be a lethal mistake.




MarinaBlack -> RE: needle play (3/13/2006 1:44:55 AM)

I think it's due to the invasive nature of the tool. Yes, a flogger can break skin, but it won't puncture or penetrate.

Also, just think of how many people are deeply fearful of needles. There's a fear factor here. I have played with many more people who were into flogging than people who are into needles.

Look around the profiles here and see how many people place needles on their "hard limits" list.

Something else for consideration...
The level of endorphine response that can be quickly achieved with some play piercing (especially in combination with fear of needles) can lead to major drop in blood pressure and even fainting. You just don't see that as often with floggers, crops or whips.



FangsNfeet -> RE: needle play (3/13/2006 6:48:22 AM)

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why is needle play considered "edgy" play?


The term "Edge Play" varies from person to person. For what maybe considered to the edge for you might be a warm up to someone else.

To some, needles are newbie play when compared to hook trapise suspension. For others, needles are "Over The Cliff." In hospitals, I've had my share of patients pass out or freak in terror at the mere site or mention of starting an IV. So instead of thinking that Needle Play is apart of Edge Play, just remember that it was only edge play to those that one person or those few people you have recently communicated with.



truesub4u -> RE: needle play (3/13/2006 11:41:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarinaBlack

I think it's due to the invasive nature of the tool. Yes, a flogger can break skin, but it won't puncture or penetrate.

Also, just think of how many people are deeply fearful of needles. There's a fear factor here. I have played with many more people who were into flogging than people who are into needles.

Look around the profiles here and see how many people place needles on their "hard limits" list.

Something else for consideration...
The level of endorphine response that can be quickly achieved with some play piercing (especially in combination with fear of needles) can lead to major drop in blood pressure and even fainting. You just don't see that as often with floggers, crops or whips.


Mistress MarinaBlack...

I'm gonna stray off topic a sec.... I've seen your pic around for a few days and I must say... I thought you died in the fire that "Carrie" set to the house. (Ment as a compliment not sarcastict)

That being said.. back to topic...I agree with you totaly on your post. As much as I know i'm interrested in needle play. I admit it scared me on the same level. More so because i've had a phobia of needles for years. As Fangs mentioned... I was one to freak out to the point of having a seizure for the longest time when it came to IVs. Drawing blood wasn't as bad, though no picnic either. As soon as tourny went on.. a pat or two.. I would hear.. Oh look at that nice vein.. eyes spot needle.. no more vein for them.. they would have to go on a search and destroy. I have when they feel they have to dig for a vein. So finally they would have to bring in the knock out guy. <due to knowing how not to spell the title of the guy who puts you to sleep for surgery>

So i'll take the advice I've seen from others on other threads and continue to research and learn more.. before seeking this type of play... no matter how much I feel the crave for it... my common sense destroys the craving.



TheShadows -> RE: needle play (3/20/2006 12:23:27 PM)

The edge is in the eye of the participant....or something like that.



DragonNphoenix -> RE: needle play (3/20/2006 11:43:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Notanaddict

why is needleplay considered "edgy" play? is it because the skin barrier is broken and there is blood involved? can't that happen with everything? I would think that flogging done correctly, or uncorrectly (depends what u're looking for) can cause bleeding, or at least minor abbrations that can fascilitate bodyfluid exchange and a potential infection?

Its just wierd to me, as it was the first thing i was ever introduced to within bdsm, and i don't see it as either scary or painful...maybe ithelps we were both nurses?


We dont personally consider needleplay edgeplay.  But that is just us, we do lots of things that are considered edge play by alot of others.  I believe that some think of it as edge play because of just how bad it can be if it is done wrong.  But, hell, breathing can be harmful also.

1st Girl Phoenix



suitemindcrime -> RE: needle play (3/23/2006 9:54:27 AM)

i don't consider it "edgeplay" as it were, but i know a lot of people who do.  It all depends on what you're looking for as to whether it's edgy or not.

Just remember to keep that biohazard box and nitrile gloves ready!  (And don't blame me if you can't aim.  PLEASE have someone teach you how to play with needles before you play...granted, that should be a given, but there's always someone....)



slavejali -> RE: needle play (3/25/2006 2:36:12 AM)

I dont see needleplay as scary or painful either, I guess though, with so many people have phobia's around needles they would call it edge play.



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