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RE: Will gentle leader muzzle leashes keep a dog from s... - 11/17/2008 8:00:34 PM   
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My $.02
A GL will not keep her fom biting, and she may even injure herself with it if the is in the habit of making sudden pulls at the leash. 

Next: It is not a good idea to take a dog who lacks socilization to the point of biting to an event such as a street faire, and the use of a muzzle is likely to make the situation worse rather than better. Think about this from her POV: she doesn't like being touched by people she doesn't know, she is uncomfortable around strangers, she doesn't like it when people "threaten" your family members. So, the plan is to take away her (in her mind) ability to defend herself and then force her into a very uncomfortable situation involving a large crowd of strangers that will likely ratchet up her anxiety? Not good. It would be very similar to taking a shy person *looks around* errr... a shy vanilla person, tying her hands behind her back, taking her into a crowd and inviting people to come touch her. In the dog's case, it is actually a bit worse, since she lacks the ability to understand the situation at all. This is a recipe for bad things to happen when the muzzle is off and she CAN "defend" herself.

It is possible to desensitize her, but the best way is with the help of a good, positive-method dog trainer and a lot of patience and work on your part. You have to start within her comfort zone and slowly work to expand that zone. Basic obedience training is required in order for this to work. Also, many dogs that bite inappropriately "to defend the family" do so because they do not see their humans as Alpha. Most dogs do not truly want to be Alpha but, being pack oriented, they will step into that role if they think their humans are not up to the job. Again, obedience training will help with this. Once she sees that it is your job, not hers, to take care of the family (herself included), she may relax a bit and be more receptive to careful, methodical socialization.  

OK, that was more like $1.25, but I worked with dog rescue organizations for several years and I learned a thing or two about anxious, under-socialized pups.  


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RE: Will gentle leader muzzle leashes keep a dog from s... - 11/17/2008 9:11:06 PM   
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OK, the only intelligent and humane thing to do is LEAVE THE DOG AT HOME!  Why put her through all that stress just so you can go to a street fair?  Especially if she's an older dog......she may not be able to bite, but she can still jump and use her feet to "protect" herself and you two. 

This situation calls for a bit of common sense on your part.......teaching an old dog a new trick takes time and lots of patience on the owner's part, and if they don't know what they are doing to begin with, it's only going to compound the issue.  Being sweet when she knows you is not going to save you from a lawsuit, and her the misery of having to go thru quarantine at the pound, and if the powers that be determine her to be a vicious dog, she'll be euthanized...is that something you really want to subject her to?

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RE: Will gentle leader muzzle leashes keep a dog from s... - 11/18/2008 6:17:05 PM   
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I had thought of trying to find people that wouldn't be bothered by her barking and growling, to pet her in our presence while she's muzzled I just don't know any one.

I had my brother here, and I brought her in on a leash incase she reacted poorly and she was fine, she'd go up to him and say hi, but would growl and act menacing when skip tried to say hi back. IT's one thing I don't like about her and don't understand, she goes up acts all friendly demands your attention, and if you reach for her and she don't know you after ASKING you to pay attention to her she gets defensive.

So he quit trying to pet her and we left her in the house laying down with us in the livingroom, and she was fine, then when he went to get up after about an hour in the house she flipped out, started barking and carrying on. My dad just made her go outside, to bark and carry on. Away from the family.


It's not people walking by us, or to close, it's people we're interacting with whom she doesnt know. like if you were to know me and see me out with her you'd come over and be like hi how are you and she'd be all like*WOOF WOOF GRRRRWOOOF* 

When we lived in the trailer if I was talkin to any one outside the trailer she didn't know she'd bark and snapp too. It was just  NOT ok that I was out there with someone she didn't know.


She trusts females more than she trusts males. I know that much.  She's much more accepting of females and children than males. and male adults.


One time my cousin didn't remember  my warning that she didn't like strangers and when I opend the door to do introductions, looking at her we were all cool, then  he leaned down to pet her and she lunged up and snapped her teeth at him. She doesn't seem to want to full out bite, she doesn't want to bite you, she just wants to say hey back off I don't like you doing that. she does not continue her attack once you stop doing what made her mad.

Like one time the male vet whom she didn't know tried to pick up one of her feet and she snapped at him, but when he backd up she was fine again. It was the very first inclination I had that she truely honestly didn't like strange males lol.

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ORIGINAL: BlackPhx

Try this instead http://leerburg.com/clothmuzzle.htm but please note dogs can still bite with a cloth muzzle on but won't be able to drink or pant. I would suggest using this to BEGIN getting her used to other people handling her.

To safely socialize her.. get several friends together that you know and trust. Put the muzzle on her. Then using leather gloves let them pet her as you hold her gently, praising her the entire time and giving her occasional treats. If she starts to struggle, or tries to snap, let her rest, give her water and give her time to settle down. Do NOT do this more than 5 or 10 minutes Max at a time.

You can also hold a dinner party/BBQ and have friends over, again give them gloves, but this time give them her favorite treats or small bits of liver. As they chat let them lure her closer with small treats and feed her. The trick is to get her to associate friendly people with good things, though she will continue to be suspicious of potentially harmful people.

If she snaps at people when you are walking her who get too close, the minute she starts to be agitated distract her, immediately turn and walk in another direction, and keep it up until she stops seeing everyone approaching as a threat. Praise her the minute she calms down and wash rinse repeat.

It is unlikely that she is ever going to be friendly enough to go through crowds where children are likely to be, but at least you should be able to get her to where she doesn't snap at every strange hand that comes at her. Even the best behaved dog can get very jumpy in crowded situations especially where people will brush up against them or step on their toes.  Children should know better than to run up to a strange dog, but inevitably there will be one when your back is turned..I woudn't risk it at least not until you are positive she will remain calm.

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RE: Will gentle leader muzzle leashes keep a dog from s... - 11/18/2008 6:25:01 PM   
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No, not so we can go, more like so she can come with us when we leave, since she likes to go out with her mommy an daddy. Now I know it's not nessisary for a dog to come too, even when they whine and cry and are upset you're going with out them. I'd just like her to get out more,  I t hink it'd enrich her daily exsistance, but I do agree if the animals not going to behave properly then, really it's better she stay home, or go for car rides with us, where she's not around the general public and can then enjoy being out with us, with out bothering any one.
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ORIGINAL: soul2share

OK, the only intelligent and humane thing to do is LEAVE THE DOG AT HOME!  Why put her through all that stress just so you can go to a street fair?  Especially if she's an older dog......she may not be able to bite, but she can still jump and use her feet to "protect" herself and you two. 

This situation calls for a bit of common sense on your part.......teaching an old dog a new trick takes time and lots of patience on the owner's part, and if they don't know what they are doing to begin with, it's only going to compound the issue.  Being sweet when she knows you is not going to save you from a lawsuit, and her the misery of having to go thru quarantine at the pound, and if the powers that be determine her to be a vicious dog, she'll be euthanized...is that something you really want to subject her to?

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RE: Will gentle leader muzzle leashes keep a dog from s... - 11/18/2008 8:27:48 PM   
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Also, one more thing....if an animal is on a leash, it will also increase their protective instincts......it tends to reinforce their territorial instincts towards their owners when outside their own comfort zone of home.  I've seen this in many animals, my own, my families and friends. 

Again, leave the dog at home when going to the fairs, or anywhere there will be large crowds.  There are other places you can go with her, even just taking her for walks around the neighborhood will "enrich" her existence.  Taking the dog into areas where you already know she may pose a hazard to others is just irresponsible. 

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RE: Will gentle leader muzzle leashes keep a dog from s... - 11/18/2008 8:55:58 PM   
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now i'm wondering if a gentle leader muzzle leash will keep me from snapping at people.  hey, i'm desparate ok?

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RE: Will gentle leader muzzle leashes keep a dog from s... - 11/19/2008 10:28:46 AM   
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grins no you need a ball gag, for that:)
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now i'm wondering if a gentle leader muzzle leash will keep me from snapping at people.  hey, i'm desparate ok?

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