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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 7:40:52 AM   
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i understand what you're saying and agree with it - what i don't understand are people who get so easily offended and take things so personally! and the whole disclaimer thing of having to write "In my opinion" or "I think" or "For me", is ridiculous "to me" ... hell, if i am writing "my views & my opinion" why should anyone automatically assume that i am trying to speak for them? i can only speak for myself, and so does everyone else. I've never seen this happen as much as I have seen it on this forum, and don't get me wrong, i really enjoy this forum, but many here are just hyper sensitive to an extreme! The moment you say something that they may take as a personal attack or they believe you are bashing their relationships or way of life, they go into a defensive mode. If you are secure in who you are and have no unresolved issues with the lifestyle you have chosen for yourself, why would anyone's opinion on it, or against it, bother you so much? (and i mean you in general terms of course)

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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 7:41:02 AM   
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'tis a shame, for it is all of her own making..........

and yes coming from one intelligent ONLY makes it worse.


Happy Holidays John
to you and Libby...from my house to yours



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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 7:41:31 AM   
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b/c yesterday she posted that her version was diff than mine...ojk thats fine and well, i could accept that.....then last night she agreed w/ the exact same version of someone else....(which was the same as mine,mind u,same scenrio)
this liljoy caught it as well,but it is b/c it was MY version u see.
bottom line-she contridicated herself
and it all goes back to what John and KoM stated
edited to add....
i dont care what she believes....or wants it is the PRINCIPLE behind the postings to me that contradict what she stated to others as acceptable.

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ORIGINAL: sweetwhisper

First of all - Merry Christmas!

fyreredsub, with all due respect, what does it matter if she believes that her ideas & views are better than yours or anyone elses? i mean, really, what does it matter? i have tried to follow these threads, both this one and the Straight Woman Blues one, and i try to read it as objectively as possible but i just don't understand where candystripper went wrong - how exactly did she offend anyone? Because she seeks "high monogamy"? Because she is not into bisexuality or into sharing and she may even find it repulsive - so what? It's her right to express her opinion about monogamy as it is others on here to express theirs on poly - i don't see why she should even appologize! Am i the only one that finds all of this incredibly ridiculous?



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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 7:46:26 AM   
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perhaps its the contridictions...that come back....i know how i felt yesterday reading that non sexual play in a public scene was STILL cheating in her book...yet go look at the next page. hrrrrrrmp is ALL i have to say....she has lost more than friends ....respect..(course, ,lol old posts still stand pink)...this is the final straw for me ==this morning====plain BS is what it is...and it does show one thinking they are better than someone else and their ideas are better,,,so KoM and John are RIGHT

fyreredsub


*Deep Sigh* Why was my request to afmvdp for mutual respect offensive? Why would it matter a whit what "i" would do if you and your Master are happy? Why does it matter if "i" would consider some behaviors acceptable and others not? i'm just a member here, searching like many other people. Knowing what i want helps me find it, but is no assurance it will appear soon.

Frankly i cannot understand all the hostility.

candystripper

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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 7:46:41 AM   
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no your not, u didnt even read what i posted yesterday. it was proved in ur email in the morning.
you emailed me w/ such off base info as to my own life it isnt even funny any more.





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oopsies...i should have read further.....you caught that too, huh..............

enquiring minds to want to know.....pink...do tell, why is it ok for one and not the other....

of course, i have my own idea as to why.....lmfao

fyreredsub


There is no commonly-accepted definition of monogamy nor any common acceptance that monogamy is superior in any way to other patterns of living. So asking me why "one is ok and the other is not" is not especially interesting; i did answer however, in a previous thread.

i am more interested in "your" perceptions and definitions. That is what the Op was intended to elicit.

candystripper




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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 7:50:19 AM   
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becaues your bias to the person that stated it(me) was involved,

if i wouldnt have read your words to someone else this morning ...the very same scenario acceptable, lmao...it would have been fine and dandy.

i dont have the time to go back and quote the posts, i have pies to bake..........

others have caught it as well.

good day

ps.edited...go do a post search of her old id, and see where i was trolled around after,lol,ecspecially concerning some posts of men w/ no profiles only stats....then read some she made under this id, about how she felt about men w/ no profiles only stats, more contridictions where i am concerned,it is not my imagination and this is off topic but it gives the background as to why i have had enough nonsense and feel the way i do about pink pleasures/candys contridications.enough good day folks and
may each and every one of you have a wonderful holiday

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

quote:

perhaps its the contridictions...that come back....i know how i felt yesterday reading that non sexual play in a public scene was STILL cheating in her book...yet go look at the next page. hrrrrrrmp is ALL i have to say....she has lost more than friends ....respect..(course, ,lol old posts still stand pink)...this is the final straw for me ==this morning====plain BS is what it is...and it does show one thinking they are better than someone else and their ideas are better,,,so KoM and John are RIGHT

fyreredsub


*Deep Sigh* Why was my request to afmvdp for mutual respect offensive? Why would it matter a whit what "i" would do if you and your Master are happy? Why does it matter if "i" would consider some behaviors acceptable and others not? i'm just a member here, searching like many other people. Knowing what i want helps me find it, but is no assurance it will appear soon.

Frankly i cannot understand all the hostility.

candystripper




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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 7:57:49 AM   
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this has really gone off topic. hmmm. okay, if i am with someone it would hurt me to know and or see him in bed with another. if i cant fulfill your wants and needs and you need to find someone else to take care of you then i am not what you are looking for.

i would hope if there was something missing in our relationship we could talk about it and see if it can be fixed. i do not share and will not share. now if my one wants to play with someone else without the sex then i dont mind but still wont like it but maybe that other person can take more than i can and i wish them well.

play and sex are two different things to me. you can play and not have sex and thats fine, but if sex is involved i dont want to share. i want one man and want that man to want only one woman.

we all have different thoughts on this subject and what i think is my own thoughts and what you think is yours. both are good for each of us and thats what makes us us. life would be so dull if we didnt agree to disagree.

and i am not talking to anyone person on here but to everyone. its what we ourselves think about ourselves that counts and if you like what you like and i dont then thats good. and if you like what i like then thats good too.

i think there is an old saying ( variety is the spice of life) keeps one young at heart and always thinking.

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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 8:06:53 AM   
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thank you
n backatchya

i'm taking my leave of this nonsense to go finish cooking


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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren


quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

'tis a shame, for it is all of her own making..........

and yes coming from one intelligent ONLY makes it worse.


Happy Holidays John
to you and Libby...from my house to yours



Happy Holidays... and a have a great year.



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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 8:27:28 AM   
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One member accused me of posting Ops that were contrary to the generally-held values of the CM community. So i pulled every OP i had posted -- this list ends on 12/12/05 but i am not sure how to search further back in time. In any event, i think these Ops are fairly representative of what i post.

i'd appreciate feedback from anyone who feels these Ops have in any way run contrary to the CM community's values. I'd also grealty appreciate anyone's comments clarifying the "CM community's values". It is my desire to conform better; to pose Ops which advance good discussions. My thanks to anyone willing to help me.

i am already well-aware of problems with "What is Monogamy" and "Straight Woman Blues" so comments on those Ops are not really necessary unless You have something new to say. Thank You.

candystripper

"What is Monogamy?"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_230655/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

"Professions and Professional Ethics"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_230977/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#231226

"Straight Woman Blues"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_228753/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

"How Long Do You Wish to Live?"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_231150/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#231150

"LIC News"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_230626/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#230626

"Bad Things"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_228853/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#230004

"Hair"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_223800/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

"The Sweet Spot"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_223208/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

"Re: The Movie "Secretary"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_222749/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#222916


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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 8:35:40 AM   
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...the posts stand under your OLD id....it is fact for anyone to read.

or are you denying that you had another id one here, the one that went off the chain one and you then made this one?(remember when you deleted a bunch of your posts under that id?)

too many of us remember ................

you really need to think pink/candy...........about that
but who am i to give advice

edited to add, i'm stopping before you drag me into something that will get me moderated....

your words are there 'pinkpleasures'




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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 8:40:11 AM   
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It's hard to deal with someone who condescends and sets her positions up as being superior and then offhandedly apologizes and then does the same thing again. Eventually the apologies wear thin. If she wasn't a highly educated women, I could put it down to lack of awareness, but for someone with an advanced degree, that's hard to buy.

JohnWarren


i guess i appreciate being called "well-educated" but the fact is, i am a novice at BDSM. None of my posts were written with a condescending tone; i am just amazed that people insist i had such a motive.

My apologies were sincere, yet largely disregarded.

i feel i have nothing i can say which will meet with approval. The level of hostility is amazing. Frankly, i think at least some of it is caused by my desire to be monogamous. i think some members find this silly, or misguided, or not sufficiently kinky, etc. i may be naieve but i expected acceptance of my "kink" just as any member would expect.

There's not much i can do to convince people who have ascribed motives to me that are inacurate to listen to me -- the source -- and believe i knew what i meant to say; nothing at all disrespectful; just an interesting topic i thought.

candystripper


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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 8:42:26 AM   
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One member accused me of posting Ops that were contrary to the generally-held values of the CM community.

The last time I checked, there were no "generally-held values of the CM community" and the only complaints you need to worry about are the ones that come from the admins and moderators.

As you were, people.

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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 8:49:09 AM   
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hmmmmmmmm more contridictions.......go back and read ur prior posts yesterday...u stated to me,,,that no sex, no bed, public play is cheating...so dont backpeddle to save whats left of your repution after your last 24 hours on these posts.

you are insulting the intelligence of those of us that participate and digging the whol;e deeper.

i wish you well in your search ...methinks you seriously need to consider what more than a handful of those of us that live this lifestyle 24/7 have brought to your attn....

i think that is where the problem lies and you stubbornly refuse to see and are only making things worse.

i wish you peace and health pink............i'm still amazed tho.

fyreredsub


Serving as a model while a BDSM technique is demonstrated is a situation i had not considered before. i cannot imagine i'd ever be in such a situation. i cannot understand why it matters whether i would feel it was in conformity with my desired pattern of conduct -- monogamy -- or not. It is for everyone to decide what works for them. i was curious about the parameters of monogamy "others" set down for themselves. i thought the difference between people would be interesting.

It also says in the Op that i realise many people in BDSM do not ascribe to any form of monogamy, and the Op was not intended to insult them in any way.

i think you should do as you wish; apparently this entire thread has been hurtful to some people. i know it has been to me.

candystripper


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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 8:56:19 AM   
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candy, pink, et al,

Merry Christmas! No one should be spending this morning concerned about posts at CM or any internet site. We hope you are having fun and are enjoying doing better things.

Be Well! May all your wishes come true.

Merc & beth
"Highly Monogamous" Whose monogamy isn't concerned with physical sensation.
"Highly Heterosexual" Whose most erotic scene participation was part of a flogging scene between two men.
"Highly Fun Loving" Who being "serious" is a condition to be avoided outside business hours.
"HIGHLY Happy" Who only need the company of each other to be so.
Member of the "Clique of Merc & beth".


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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 8:56:55 AM   
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First of all - Merry Christmas!

fyreredsub, with all due respect, what does it matter if she believes that her ideas & views are better than yours or anyone elses? i mean, really, what does it matter? i have tried to follow these threads, both this one and the Straight Woman Blues one, and i try to read it as objectively as possible but i just don't understand where candystripper went wrong - how exactly did she offend anyone? Because she seeks "high monogamy"? Because she is not into bisexuality or into sharing and she may even find it repulsive - so what? It's her right to express her opinion about monogamy as it is others on here to express theirs on poly - i don't see why she should even appologize! Am i the only one that finds all of this incredibly ridiculous?

sweetwhisper


i have to say, i tend to agree with sweetwhisper. i do think people knew what i meant, but took umbrage as if i insulted them because i am not more "mainstream"; not poly; not bisexual. This is only underscored for me when people ascribe bad motives to me, and disregard my apologies.

Really, if what You do please You and harm no one, what difference does it make what someone writes on a message board?

And what sort of friend takes such umbrage at the use of a phrase (later clarified, and not carrying any bad connotations) that they would publically drop a friend? Even if the friendship had to end due to one party's anger, why do it publically?

candystripper


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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 9:11:40 AM   
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BLESSINGS TO ONE AND ALL ON THIS FINE FINE DAY

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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 9:28:32 AM   
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Since we were never friends i know you must mean John and KoM.

i'm highly amused by your actions not angry, again you misunderstand me.

and i am a straight monogomous woman.....

no apologies are needed....the contradictions are all there on the boards.

you after all are the one that has to walk in your skin,not me.

Merry Christmas to all

i'm off


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ORIGINAL: candystripper

quote:

First of all - Merry Christmas!

fyreredsub, with all due respect, what does it matter if she believes that her ideas & views are better than yours or anyone elses? i mean, really, what does it matter? i have tried to follow these threads, both this one and the Straight Woman Blues one, and i try to read it as objectively as possible but i just don't understand where candystripper went wrong - how exactly did she offend anyone? Because she seeks "high monogamy"? Because she is not into bisexuality or into sharing and she may even find it repulsive - so what? It's her right to express her opinion about monogamy as it is others on here to express theirs on poly - i don't see why she should even appologize! Am i the only one that finds all of this incredibly ridiculous?

sweetwhisper


i have to say, i tend to agree with sweetwhisper. i do think people knew what i meant, but took umbrage as if i insulted them because i am not more "mainstream"; not poly; not bisexual. This is only underscored for me when people ascribe bad motives to me, and disregard my apologies.

Really, if what You do please You and harm no one, what difference does it make what someone writes on a message board?

And what sort of friend takes such umbrage at the use of a phrase (later clarified, and not carrying any bad connotations) that they would publically drop a friend? Even if the friendship had to end due to one party's anger, why do it publically?

candystripper




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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 9:31:05 AM   
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b/c yesterday she posted that her version was diff than mine...ojk thats fine and well, i could accept that.....then last night she agreed w/ the exact same version of someone else....(which was the same as mine,mind u,same scenrio)
this liljoy caught it as well,but it is b/c it was MY version u see.
bottom line-she contridicated herself
and it all goes back to what John and KoM stated
edited to add....
i dont care what she believes....or wants it is the PRINCIPLE behind the postings to me that contradict what she stated to others as acceptable.

fyreredsub


*Deep Sigh* All this because "i" see a difference in serving as a model while someone demonstrates the proper technique of whatever -- and having a third party involved in play in some way?

Yeah, "i" do see a difference, but what importance is that? It is up to you and lil sub to choose what works for you both

All "i" could ever do is describe what "i" want from a relationship; "i" cannot evaluate anyone else's relationship.

candystripper

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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 9:34:22 AM   
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becaues your bias to the person that stated it(me) was involved,

if i wouldnt have read your words to someone else this morning ...the very same scenario acceptable, lmao...it would have been fine and dandy.

i dont have the time to go back and quote the posts, i have pies to bake..........

others have caught it as well.

good day

ps.edited...go do a post search of her old id, and see where i was trolled around after,lol,ecspecially concerning some posts of men w/ no profiles only stats....then read some she made under this id, about how she felt about men w/ no profiles only stats, more contridictions where i am concerned,it is not my imagination and this is off topic but it gives the background as to why i have had enough nonsense and feel the way i do about pink pleasures/candys contridications.enough good day folks and
may each and every one of you have a wonderful holiday

fyreredsub


i changed my position on men without profiles? And so what?

candystripper

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RE: What is Monogamy? - 12/25/2005 9:45:33 AM   
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...the posts stand under your OLD id....it is fact for anyone to read.

or are you denying that you had another id one here, the one that went off the chain one and you then made this one?(remember when you deleted a bunch of your posts under that id?)

too many of us remember ................

you really need to think pink/candy...........about that
but who am i to give advice

edited to add, i'm stopping before you drag me into something that will get me moderated....

fyreredsub


What difference does it make that i morphed nicks? i never hide my identity; the old nick went into mothballs. i may well have deleted posts under "pinkpleasures"; i remember editing some. So what? Anyway, that option is no longer available unless you move quick; the Mods have changed the system and the "edit" function disappears not long after the post is made.

i still cannot understand your anger; have you been mad all this time? Ever since i morphed my nick? So, then was your posts denigrating me here just based on that anger?

i always announce my new nick in "Introductions" and let ModOne know immediately after i morph my nick. i have as much right to change it as you do to keep yours. There is no deception involved.

Honest to pete fyreredsub, your anger seems to be a moving target. i cannot help thinking you're really angry because "i" might act as a model like lil sub but "i" would never have a third party in my bed like you. But as "i" keep asking you, why do you need my approval? (Of course you have it -- what works for you is what you should have.) Just because "i" would do something differently is not casting aspersions on you. We are all individuals.

candystripper

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