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FullfigRIMAAM1 -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 8:21:26 AM)

The thing is this....   Dominance and submission is to me about a dance between complimentary personalities and energies.    My dominance entails little protocol beyond deference, and obedience; other folks' dominance, entails a more structured idea.     If this particular protocol is important to you, than by all means, carry on, and it doesn't/shouldn't offend anyone else....   It may get you overlooked by some, but same applies to those of us who do not utilize it.     M




DommeyProfile -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 9:53:17 AM)

bratb,

I came late to this thread and haven't read all of the responses.  Maybe this topic has been addressed.  I did read the first line of some of your posts.  As soon as I saw the slashyspeak, I skipped the rest of what you wrote.  It's annoying to read text written that way.  If that's how you're told to write, then write that way.  Just keep in mind that you're alientating people with it.




bratb -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 10:42:11 AM)

FloridaMistresse,
 
Yes it is an unusual lifestyle but an enjoying one lol ! 
 
Thank You for Your kind words as i am sure my Mistress will be happy to see the compliments that You have kindly stated here .
 
Respectfully,
girl




bratb -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 10:52:08 AM)

i do understand that i may be alientating Oothers on the forums and i am sorry You feel my writing is annoying !
 
The most important aspect is that i am doing that which pleases my Mistress.

Respectfully,
girl


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ORIGINAL: DommeyProfile

bratb,

I came late to this thread and haven't read all of the responses.  Maybe this topic has been addressed.  I did read the first line of some of your posts.  As soon as I saw the slashyspeak, I skipped the rest of what you wrote.  It's annoying to read text written that way.  If that's how you're told to write, then write that way.  Just keep in mind that you're alientating people with it.




PeonForHer -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 11:34:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bratb

i do understand that i may be alientating Oothers on the forums and i am sorry You feel my writing is annoying !
 
The most important aspect is that i am doing that which pleases my Mistress.

Respectfully,
girl

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ORIGINAL: DommeyProfile

bratb,

I came late to this thread and haven't read all of the responses.  Maybe this topic has been addressed.  I did read the first line of some of your posts.  As soon as I saw the slashyspeak, I skipped the rest of what you wrote.  It's annoying to read text written that way.  If that's how you're told to write, then write that way.  Just keep in mind that you're alientating people with it.



I understand your desire to follow the orders your Mistress gives you, brabb.  However, to me, it would feel irresponsible to do that if I were to do it in all areas.  To me, it's partly a question of who my Mistress can have control over.  She's allowed control over me but it would be irresponsible of me to allow her control over people other than myself. 

Communication involves two people at least: the hearer as well as the sayer - obviously.  I don't feel I have the right to let a domina tell me how a recipient of one of my messages should influence what he or she hears.  That person won't have bought into my D/s relationship and it wouldn't feel fair on him/her to allow my domina such control.   In short: I can accept control over me by my domina - but I can't accept any desire by her to control others through me.  That'd be irresponsible of me.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 11:59:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


I understand your desire to follow the orders your Mistress gives you, brabb.  However, to me, it would feel irresponsible to do that if I were to do it in all areas.  To me, it's partly a question of who my Mistress can have control over.  She's allowed control over me but it would be irresponsible of me to allow her control over people other than myself. 

Communication involves two people at least: the hearer as well as the sayer - obviously.  I don't feel I have the right to let a domina tell me how a recipient of one of my messages should influence what he or she hears.  That person won't have bought into my D/s relationship and it wouldn't feel fair on him/her to allow my domina such control.   In short: I can accept control over me by my domina - but I can't accept any desire by her to control others through me.  That'd be irresponsible of me.


On a purely pragmatic level, I have to disagree with the underlying presumption of this response. It presumes that the -only- consideration in communication between two people is those two individuals, which isn't the case. If it were, then rules about communication set down by, say, a teacher or an organization would be an 'intrusion'. I think that, in general, we manage to incorporate 'rules' about how we communicate into just about -every- communication that we have. For those who are under the onus of having a dominant individual in hir life determine how xhe is to communicate, it is simply a matter of incorporating those rules into the existing dynamic of rules under which we already communicate. It is no more an intrusion than having one's parent-figures require certain sorts of manners and requiring those to be used in public, both in and out of those parental units' presence.

I think that much of the issue comes about because people are, typically, not fluent in the use and manipulation of the English language. Particularly in the United States, we've cut so many corners in our linguistic exercise in the interest of expedience that we've lost the flexibility to be able to seamlessly and effortlessly incorporate advanced linguistic exercises into our common speech. I disagree completely with the idea that "forcing" someone to hear well-spoken and well-considered language is an insult, or compels them into our dynamic... but I also feel that it is the responsiblity of the giver of such protocols to be fluent in hir own use of the language, to coach and instruct those who she gives such rules to, and the responsiblity of the one under onus of such rules to take the time to study and understand the structures that will make her communication understandable, and to give feedback to the rule-giver when xhe is having difficulty in presenting hir ideas in a way that can be understood.

I enjoy spoken and written protocols -- frankly, to me, they are invaluable in developing a disciplined mind, and, essentially, they're like 'communications cross-training'... the thought and consideration required of a servant in order to communicate gracefully and understandably ultimately, in my experience, improves hir ability to communicate in general, even in less formal situations. I will admit, though, that it has often seemed to me that it is laziness, rather than discomfort, that incites so much dislike for the idea of verbal and written linguistic protocol.






PeonForHer -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 12:35:56 PM)

For those who are under the onus of having a dominant individual in hir life determine how xhe is to communicate, it is simply a matter of incorporating those rules into the existing dynamic of rules under which we already communicate. It is no more an intrusion than having one's parent-figures require certain sorts of manners and requiring those to be used in public, both in and out of those parental units' presence.

An apt comparison for me, CFS - because it highlights what I need, morally, to avoid.  A domina is not going to be a 'parent', nor anything like that, for me.  Though fine for those people who want such a thing, a parent/child relationship is not one I could put up with: my responsibility to the hearer trumps Her desires regarding my way of communicating.  She'd have to show me how and why her way of communicating is better for the receiver of the message that I'm trying to communicate than the way I'd originally planned to communicate that message

It's extremely unlikely that she'd be able to do that because, frankly, very few people are better at communicating what I want to communicate than I am.  Vanity aside: I'm very good at what I do.  Moreover, what I do is much too important, also, to the receivers of what I say. 

So, as I said to LP: this is a hard limit for me and I won't allow a domina any influence over it. There are plenty of subs, no doubt, who wouldn't mind such a level of control, so my not being one of them shouldn't create problems.




SageFemmexx -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 12:52:48 PM)

Personally, I find slash speech annoying and I stop reading posts containing it. There are protocols though in other lifestyles just as annoying though--I came out of Gorean protocols with all slaves speaking in third person and "Master" is always capitalized when written. I imagine that irritates other people as well.

This girl.....(bleck)
My Master....(bleck)
T/them, T/those, W/who...(bleck)

I am sticking to proper English.




bratb -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 1:07:53 PM)

PeonForHer,
 
Please forgive me for saying , your reply has me quite confused [:o] !
 
Respectfully,
girl


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: bratb

i do understand that i may be alientating Oothers on the forums and i am sorry You feel my writing is annoying !
 
The most important aspect is that i am doing that which pleases my Mistress.

Respectfully,
girl

quote:

ORIGINAL: DommeyProfile

bratb,

I came late to this thread and haven't read all of the responses.  Maybe this topic has been addressed.  I did read the first line of some of your posts.  As soon as I saw the slashyspeak, I skipped the rest of what you wrote.  It's annoying to read text written that way.  If that's how you're told to write, then write that way.  Just keep in mind that you're alientating people with it.



I understand your desire to follow the orders your Mistress gives you, brabb.  However, to me, it would feel irresponsible to do that if I were to do it in all areas.  To me, it's partly a question of who my Mistress can have control over.  She's allowed control over me but it would be irresponsible of me to allow her control over people other than myself. 

Communication involves two people at least: the hearer as well as the sayer - obviously.  I don't feel I have the right to let a domina tell me how a recipient of one of my messages should influence what he or she hears.  That person won't have bought into my D/s relationship and it wouldn't feel fair on him/her to allow my domina such control.   In short: I can accept control over me by my domina - but I can't accept any desire by her to control others through me.  That'd be irresponsible of me.




PeonForHer -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 1:12:52 PM)

No problem, bratb.  Just tell me what you're confused about and I'll try to clarify.




Usako -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 2:17:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bratb
i don't quite understand what you state here ? If you were truly interested in serving this Mistress why would it seem such a difficult task to write the way it pleased Her ?  i find other tasks a lot more challenging and difficult than this one lol .
 
Being in the "courting " or " consideration " phase of the relationship and having interest in serving the Mistress i would do as instructed to please Her .


I wouldn't want to be with someone, serving or not, who would actually want me to look like an idiot. The "courting" phase would be over right away if they even said that was a must. I'm not going to butcher the English language for someone, that's just me. Anyone who asked me to do it wouldn't be compatible with me.

Actually, it's one of my goals if I ever was to have a submissive who wrote that slashy, lower cased stuff to purposely train them OUT of doing it. Mix a good English lesson with BDSM...sounds lovely.




bratb -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 5:00:29 PM)

Usako,
 
Interesting it is to hear you imply that my Mistress wants me to look like an " idiot " when in reality i am being respectfull in Her eyes as well as many Oothers here on the forums .
 
If you think i look like an " idiot " then thats your right to express your opinion . Now if i may express my opinion .....
 
i would much rather look like an " idiot " than to be looked at as IGNORANT and JUDGEMENTAL !  [:)]
 
Have a good evening .
 
Respectfully,
girl




Usako -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 7:33:51 PM)

Never call you an idiot but if you want to think it go right ahead, I won't stop ya.




DesFIP -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 7:55:35 PM)

Another thing about slashy speak is that when you are here, you aren't communicating with your dominant. So if you go around submitting to every self proclaimed dominant on earth, then how is what you do specific for your dominant.

I submit to one, not everyone. So I don't go around kowtowing to others. It would be rude to the one I do submit to. Beyond that, I don't believe myself to be of lower value simply because I submit. He doesn't believe it either.

Referring to yourself in lower case is an online phenomenon only, after all you don't say to your dominant "Would capital Y you like another cup of coffee?" It comes from chat rooms, not from real life.




bratb -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/1/2008 8:25:58 PM)

DesFIP,
Good evening . May i ask what the term " KowTowing " means ? [sm=imnewhere.gif]
 
Respectfully,
girl

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Another thing about slashy speak is that when you are here, you aren't communicating with your dominant. So if you go around submitting to every self proclaimed dominant on earth, then how is what you do specific for your dominant.

I submit to one, not everyone. So I don't go around kowtowing to others. It would be rude to the one I do submit to. Beyond that, I don't believe myself to be of lower value simply because I submit. He doesn't believe it either.

Referring to yourself in lower case is an online phenomenon only, after all you don't say to your dominant "Would capital Y you like another cup of coffee?" It comes from chat rooms, not from real life.




SthrnCom4t -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/2/2008 1:38:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I don't know, Ms S.  Lady Hib's comment has reminded of a certain thorny problem I could have in making such a picture. 


**Opportunity to show creativity in the name of service**....just sayin'
Hint: Just don't sit.




PeonForHer -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/2/2008 3:26:03 AM)

Please . . . . I'm regretting cracking that joke now.  I'm beginning to feel phantom thorns in that portion of my anatomy now! [:o]




MsStarlett -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/2/2008 4:01:43 AM)

kow⋅tow
–verb (used without object) 1. to act in an obsequious manner; show servile deference. 2. to touch the forehead to the ground while kneeling, as an act of worship, reverence, apology, etc., esp. in former Chinese custom.

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That one's not a BDSM reference.  It's a 'real' word.  In this case, it means acting subservient to everyone. 




Evility -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/2/2008 4:06:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Usako
Grrrr...I hate that third person crap. Slave thinks this...girl thinks that...boy did this...
I use captial letters and no slash speak. I'm more concerned telling people that I actually know how to write correctly than if I'm some dom or sub. Yes, lower case d for the word dom! Shocking! I also ignore all that Me My BS, just seems like unwarranted self importance.

But people can post whatever way they want, it just lowers your chance of it getting read the worse the English gets.


I usually skim over posts with slash speak. It's the written equivalent of Tourette's and is difficult to focus on. I find third person to be a little distracting, too. I realize these folks may just be following certain guidelines that have been set for them but if it's cumbersome to read then that's that. The self capitalization of personal pronouns (Me My) strikes me as pompous. The opinion contained within may be quite valid and worthy but I still see it as having come from someone who is a little too full of themself.





bratb -> RE: To CAPITALIZE or not ? (12/2/2008 4:56:57 AM)

MsStarlett,
 
Thank You very much for Your time in displaying the deffinition for me .
 
Respectfully
girl




quote:

ORIGINAL: MsStarlett

kow⋅tow
–verb (used without object) 1. to act in an obsequious manner; show servile deference. 2. to touch the forehead to the ground while kneeling, as an act of worship, reverence, apology, etc., esp. in former Chinese custom.

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That one's not a BDSM reference.  It's a 'real' word.  In this case, it means acting subservient to everyone. 




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