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veronicaofML -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/25/2005 3:47:16 PM)

How Long Do You Wish to Live?
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i wanted..to be gone...in '73. and i almost made it in '83..2003 was my break-down...
everyone claims life is SO great.
i am still waiting.

if i could find 'a' way to do this,..where i would not be stopped,...or found too soon...
but unfortunately...most everyone is too damned nosey for their own damned good.

when i manage to find a way to do it,..without being found out before i get it done..will be when i will "check out".

is that soon enough for you?

gravity does not exist------------life sucks!




kisshou -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/25/2005 3:59:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: candystripper

Michael; i hear you. i know the way you feel; if that is not too presumptouous of me. i have been deep in the Valley, where no sunshine reaches. i was able to emerge with God's help and the help of other people. i just want you to know intellectually that it is possible to emerge from the Valley. i just want you to have at least a flicker of an idea that life could be better. People here can be very kind and many have faced severe problems in their private lives; and we care about you.

candystripper



candy this is a wonderful post, you should be very proud of yourself. I like this new name best and seeing how you have grown and changed in your posting on the boards. I look forward to reading your posts now. Keep up the great work!




UtopianRanger -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/25/2005 4:33:10 PM)

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What's Y/your take on the matter?


I want to live forever - Seriously!


- The Ranger




michaelGA -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/25/2005 4:38:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

Michael; i hear you. i know the way you feel; if that is not too presumptouous of me. i have been deep in the Valley, where no sunshine reaches. i was able to emerge with God's help and the help of other people. i just want you to know intellectually that it is possible to emerge from the Valley. i just want you to have at least a flicker of an idea that life could be better. People here can be very kind and many have faced severe problems in their private lives; and we care about you.

candystripper



IMHO i think "God" only cares for those who...(rephrased before say it)...bow down to him.

and i won't




LadyHibiscus -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/25/2005 6:35:20 PM)

A lady in my group got her SRS at age 74. She is now living very happily as an elderly lady, and definitely has a great deal of zest for living.

The grandmother unit (who recently turned 97) has had a few minor strokes in the last few weeks that have seriously affected her memory and general functioning. She is surrounded by us, her family, who take care of her every need. Until this past year, I would say that she has had no health problems whatsoever.

Genetically, my chances of living to be old are pretty good. Since I have an eight year old grey parrot, this is good news! Personally, I don't have a tremendous stake in remaining alive. I have a good life, but I have had many hardships, and am not inclined to live through fifty more years of them.




HouseofBear -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/25/2005 9:04:06 PM)

We keep joking that we are both going to go together at the ages of 180 and 186 in the middle of a mutual orgasm, chuckles. Do not know if we will actually make that age range, however we intend to live life to the fullest and enjoy trying.

Bear and Ursa




girl4you2 -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/25/2005 11:28:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: foxglove716
LOL @ girl4you2
thats too funny

I will probably be similar, except I will be the old crazy cat lady in the decrepit house down the street who the neighborhood kids call a witch and I will have to chase them off my porch with a broom

didn't i tell you i'd have a room full of cats there, too? : ) i'll save you a window view room!




girl4you2 -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/25/2005 11:31:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire
Does it matter if people enjoy your post or not? Most here don't enjoy mine because I am honest and to the point. People don't always want to hear honesty especially when they are playing for sympathy.
We all have our problems, I stated one of mine I grew out of.
For everyone who doesn't like your response there is going to be someone who does.

i for one have enjoyed your posts, whether or not we agree. i am also one who wants to hear honesty, not sugar coated tales.




MadameDahlia -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 2:08:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: foxglove716

LOL @ girl4you2
thats too funny

I will probably be similar, except I will be the old crazy cat lady in the decrepit house down the street who the neighborhood kids call a witch and I will have to chase them off my porch with a broom


*Laughs softly*

I've always imagined being that person... except I'd be in a cabin in the woods somewhere. A delivery boy from the grocery store in town would bring up packages on his bicycle. He'd be paid through the mail slot... and in little more than five seconds be face to face with the end of a shotgun and grizzly,"Git out!!"

Cats everywhere... so many cats. And good grief the rumors in the town! Like nothing anyone has ever heard before...

Of course that was when I was fourteen or fifteen. I'm nearing twenty-one now and I've changed my mind... wanting to purchase an island instead.

As for the question posted... I'd like to be around for a long, long while. But I've become increasingly anxious about aging, disease, suffering and pain. My great grandmother on my father's side lost her mind bit by bit until she was having tea parties with dead relatives. My grandmother, on the same side, is still alive. But I think she's just counting the days now. She's become so depressed... so very depressed. She invents illnesses with more frequency these days - perhaps just to be noticed.

I don't want to lose my health or my sanity. I would not wish to be so miserable.




candystripper -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 6:55:32 AM)

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there's three reasons that i can't

1. it costs too much to do

2. it's not the same as being born female

3. it's too late for that for me

michaelGA


Michael, as you might expect, i know very little about sex reassignment surgery. i take your word for it that you feel it would have benefited you before, but not now.

i think i have aleady told you, i added you to my prayer list.

Now i'd like to offer my research skills; any topic; asap. i have felt as you do, and people reached out and helped me; that is part of being human. i'm sure you've done many kindnesses in your time.

There's no pressure; you need not response if you do not wish to; and if you want to wait till later, that s'ok as well.

candystripper




candystripper -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 6:59:19 AM)

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As long as I die knowing that I did my best to achieve what I wanted in life...it matters not when.

IrishMist


Really? i have never met anyone before who did not have some target date they liked. What an interesting woman you are.

candystripper




candystripper -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 7:12:19 AM)

veronicaofML; there is a famous suicide assistance group called the Hemlock Society. i would expect that they'd have a web site. The information you seek -- how to make your death both certain and apparently from natural causes -- may be there.

However, as you think of the decision to suicide, there are some things to consider:

1. In my Church (Catholic) suicide is a mortal sin because it demonstrates a complete lack of faith and a feeling of utter despair. Suicides are condemned to Hell, according to our playbook. We might be right, hon, and you surely do not deserve such a fate.

2. Suicide is contagious. Anyone at all in contact with you will begin considering suicide any time they have a bad day. Someone else may suicide because you modeled the behavior and broke the taboo.

3. Suicidial thoughts are -- by their nature -- irrational. They signal you need mental health care the same way a broken leg gets you to the ER.

4. No amount of planning will be foolproof. Nursing homes all have patients who are failed suicides; some fully conscious but unable to move. With proper care, such patients live out their natural lives; usually age 72 for a US man. i don't know how old you are now, but to me, even a year in such a condition would be a Hell on Earth.

5. People care about you. Losing you -- especially to suicide -- would make us all grieve. As you probably know, grief is probably the most painful emoton.

i care about you, veronicaofML. Please email me on the other side anytime.

candystripper




candystripper -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 7:22:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

Michael; i hear you. i know the way you feel; if that is not too presumptouous of me. i have been deep in the Valley, where no sunshine reaches. i was able to emerge with God's help and the help of other people. i just want you to know intellectually that it is possible to emerge from the Valley. i just want you to have at least a flicker of an idea that life could be better. People here can be very kind and many have faced severe problems in their private lives; and we care about you.

candystripper



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candy this is a wonderful post, you should be very proud of yourself. I like this new name best and seeing how you have grown and changed in your posting on the boards. I look forward to reading your posts now. Keep up the great work!

kisshou


i've had an interesting life. Not too much shocks me (except new information about BDSM, LOL). i have never been abandoned and when you've been given that gift, you know you're meant to pass it on. TY very much for the compliments, kisshou.

candystripper




candystripper -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 7:25:42 AM)

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IMHO i think "God" only cares for those who...(rephrased before say it)...bow down to him.

and i won't

michaelGA


Michael i believe God loves you because you are human, you draw breath. There is no quid pro quo; believe me; i have cursed God many times and He still loved me.

candystripper




candystripper -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 7:28:47 AM)

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Personally, I don't have a tremendous stake in remaining alive. I have a good life, but I have had many hardships, and am not inclined to live through fifty more years of them.

Lady Hibiscus


i hear You, Ma'am. i figure on a car accident that makes my kid rich off a wrongful death suit..at about age 65 i think.

candystripper




michaelGA -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 7:29:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

veronicaofML; there is a famous suicide assistance group called the Hemlock Society. i would expect that they'd have a web site. The information you seek -- how to make your death both certain and apparently from natural causes -- may be there.

However, as you think of the decision to suicide, there are some things to consider:

1. In my Church (Catholic) suicide is a mortal sin because it demonstrates a complete lack of faith and a feeling of utter despair. Suicides are condemned to Hell, according to our playbook. We might be right, hon, and you surely do not deserve such a fate.

there are people out there, when considering suicide, do not let religion interfere with their decisions to end their existance and, IMHO, this is quilt trip #1 that "well meaning" people often use to try and change their minds to not commit suicide. for me, it only adds to my depression and makes me wonder why i even bother.

2. Suicide is contagious. Anyone at all in contact with you will begin considering suicide any time they have a bad day. Someone else may suicide because you modeled the behavior and broke the taboo.

not sure how accurate this is as i usually, as a rule, not surround myself with others when contemplating suicide.

3. Suicidial thoughts are -- by their nature -- irrational. They signal you need mental health care the same way a broken leg gets you to the ER.

yes, these may be irrational thoughts according to the norm. i have been to therapy so many times in my life that i already know what they are going to say before they say it...yet it's only words and, to some, are ineffective to those "in dispair" and i do not hold on to the theory that words and pills will ever help.

4. No amount of planning will be foolproof. Nursing homes all have patients who are fully conscious but unable to move. With proper care, such patients live out their natural lives; usually 72 for a US man. i don't know how old you are now, but tome, even a year in such a condition would be a Hell on Earth.

this is true, to some degree. it's the spontaneous suicides that are usually more effective and planning only causes one to begin to rationalize the "Pros" and "Cons" of suicide, hence putting doubt in the effect their suicide would be. in essence, "Do it, don't think about it" (not that i'm telling anyone they should or not, that is their decision...not mine. i have enough problems of my own.

5. Peple care about you. Losing you -- especially to suicide -- would make us all grieve. As you probably know, grief is probably the most painful emoton.

this is guilt trip #2 and those "in despair" don't really care about how their suicide would effect others. IMHO, it's a way for the people expressing this concern to feel better about themselves and not so much about the person that is concidering suicide.

i care about you, veronicaofML. Please email me on the other side anytime.

candystripper



just my opion, based on years of experience in this matter. i am not a professional shrink but i've been a "sufferer" of depression most of my life...so i base my words on personal experience.




candystripper -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 7:35:32 AM)

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just my opion, based on years of experience in this matter. i am not a professional shrink but i've been a "sufferer" of depression most of my life...so i base my words on personal experience.

michaelGA


It sounds as if i have hurt or offended you. That was not my intention, not at all.

candystripper




michaelGA -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 7:40:35 AM)

not at all, candy...i just wanted to address the various things you posted. believe me when i say, i'm long past being offended on this subject. i've heard it all before.




IrishMist -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 7:43:55 AM)

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Really? i have never met anyone before who did not have some target date they liked. What an interesting woman you are.


LOL no Candy, nothing interesting about me or about that statement. Think about it. If you died right this minute, would you die knowing that you had done your best, had tried to achieve your most? I would bet alot to say that your answer would be yes. :)




ZenrageTheKeeper -> RE: How Long Do You Wish to Live? (12/26/2005 9:43:22 AM)

Life must take life in order to live. Whether it is plant, animal, insect, microscopic or human. We, in our own societal roles, may be excused from the actual taking of life, but it is no less neccesary regardless of how visually removed from the act we are.

As such, the longer the life, the more life taken. The longer your existence and the more value you place upon your continued existence, the less you will care for the lives you require to take. That is the essence of self-preservation. The line is drawn (and redrawn often) and it becomes a question of my life or yours. The organic food I eat today is an animal or plant you can not eat tomorrow. The animal you refuse to eat today may eat the salad you intend to eat a year from now.

Then there exists the time and resource limits that require the quality of life to continue. The more that exists on a higher level of consumption, the more resources they are required to take and the less resources there are for others. Life then becomes a competition - people must compete to take the lives that are neccesary for their own individual survival. However, we must also recognize caution, because if we take too many lives recklessly or the lives that are neccesary for our continued survival, as a species, we risk exterminating ourselves in the long run. Ergo, life becomes a controlled competition. A socialism of existence, if you will.

Now as we bring in the silliness of religion:

If you choose to believe that murder, in any form, is a sin, then the noblest act a pregnant woman can take is having an abortion since to prevent that life to exist beyond the womb prevents any future taking of life. Likewise a person taking his own life allows others to access the lives neccesary for that individual to continue existing. The resources that become available are then given to those that may live because of that noble act.

If you choose to believe abortion is a sin, then you need to relax your ideals on any notion that all life is sacred as that life, because after exiting the womb the autonomous life will require to take other life to survive. The value of life then becomes a rating game, subjective by individual or region, and those lives beneath notice become irrelevant. Then you must eventually acknowledge that life within a fetus may not hold the same level of value that someone else may place upon it. Then abortions become less sinful by default as it is only a superficial value structure that places any value to the fetus in the first place.

If you choose to believe that suicide is a sin, then you must prevent any person from doing anything that might place yourself in mortal danger. This includes, but is not limited to: no joining armed militias, no sex, no interaction with any microscopic life, no interaction with any macroscopic life because that might be carrying microsopic life. By intentionally putting yourself in a potential path of death, then you are indeed taking your own life into your own hands regardless of the consequences. Now some people would surely say that if you are put into mortal danger by the hands of another, then that can not be your own fault. Unfortunately the truth is, you chose to be there. You chose to ignore the improbability that a single interaction on that moment, on that spot, could lead to your own death. It was by your own conscious and subconscious choices that you were where the blade was coming down or the trigger was pulled in front of you or the ice on the bridge was when you were driving by. If you do not have control of all the actions within any given situation or interaction, regardless of the improbability involved, then you are being suicidal by default. However, if you do not put yourself in danger long enough to interact with others, or to eat something that may have a contagion on it, or even breathe the air with a thousand microscopic entities circulating upon it, then you are again taking your own life. So instead we subjectively ignore the improbabilities that we see as insignificant and try to lead as healthy a life as possible until we wish to engage in those activities that put ourselves in mortal danger in disregard of the certainty of our demise - which is inevitable regardless of our choices. The conclusion here then is that looking down upon suicide is really stupid as long as we allow others to have their own free will.


All that said, seeing as how the value of life is strictly subjective, I have no ethical dilemma with becoming immortal and remaining alive and conscious forever.




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