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RE: Jealousy - 12/27/2005 3:42:38 PM   
Sunshine119


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fyrered,

As you are going to enter into a relationship which already exists between two people, I have to ask some questions which I have always wished to pose. How did it "feel" actually walking into a home in which you felt the newcomer, the outsider? Did you have as great feelings for Bella as you did for Thomas? I ask these things, because in my mind, I can sometimes understand how people get into non real-time relationships such as this. But, since yours started as an on-line relationship, how did it change when you finally met them both?

How did you feel about sharing chores or serving? Did you all play together all the time? I suppose that I am one of those people who will always be haunted by jealousy of some sort. I don't share well and can't imagine He who owns me telling me that we would be joined, in our home, by another? As a psychologist.....how do you sort this all out?

Curious minds just want to know.

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RE: Jealousy - 12/27/2005 3:44:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

If your Dominant said he wanted to bring another sub into your so far monogamous relationship, could you without any jealousy simply to please him or would you keep quiet about it.
Do you feel you should have any say in the picking of a new sub or is that totally left up to the Dominant and hope he finds someone you will like also?


That all depends on the dynamic of the relationship; there are so many levels of D/s interaction, ranging from the unconditional worship of the Master to the mere facade of it. A wise Master makes clear all things early on.

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RE: Jealousy - 12/27/2005 3:45:45 PM   
Delvin


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quote:

ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

If your Dominant said he wanted to bring another sub into your so far monogamous relationship, could you without any jealousy simply to please him or would you keep quiet about it.
Do you feel you should have any say in the picking of a new sub or is that totally left up to the Dominant and hope he finds someone you will like also?


Part 1

A great many Ifs here; If you and your Master spoke about this prier to your agreement, then this alone should not be too much of a shock. Keeping quiet about anything is a bad idea. Jealousy is going to happen unless you’re a tree or some other non-emotional creature, so how you deal with that, how your Master deals with all of the jealousy between all parties is the key. Again keeping quiet that you are jealous is a very bad idea.

Part 2

This is a personal preference, though commonly used; Masters will use their slaves to seek out others for a variety of reasons, I will give you mine.

I refuse to come home each night and deal with another petty problem because my girls are unable to get along. I will make sure that my current slave will be part of the initial process on speaking, seeking out and initializing contact to interested slaves. Beyond that, my slave has no more control over my decision, though I will gladly listen to her input until I decide. I will continue to let my current slave and the new prospect speak to one another and attempt to form a bond. They are going to be working together to serve me, not as individuals, but as a team; as a family. If initial chemistry is not there then I will move on as my current investment is too valuable to release for something new and improved or some other nonsense reason.

This is not a hard fast rule, be lucky your Master allows your input as that is a luxury, not a right. If one day I bring home a new girl, introduce her to my current girl, guess what? It is done, they will serve, end of debate. Chaotic in my view, but it is done all the same.

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RE: Jealousy - 12/27/2005 3:53:26 PM   
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emotionally poly.and we have discussed there being more but its not possible at this time.
sexually monogamous, i serve one master (physically).he owns me for training purposes.
he is not on this site
hence forth collar of protection from my best friends Master,she lets me borrow him. he is also my mentor.
hope that clears it up.
and actually i think it gets more confusing for those reading my posts b/c i usually dont differentiate tween which one is which...just the generic term Master

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ORIGINAL: Sensualips

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s well as helping me with my training and Master is not satisfied with the training of my Owner.....so there are some things going on in that area and i will abide by whatever decisions Master has concerning this


I have never encountered someone with a Master and an Owner. (Yeah, I am kinda new.) Can that type of situation work in the long term? I suppose all combinations are possible depending on the people and situations -- spouses and Masters, Owners and boyfriends, and so on. Can you describe how you have balanced it thus far? Do your Owner and your Master communicate with each other and work together, or do both interact with you in isolation? Just idle curiosity on my part, I guess.

Also, I recall you stating on the monogamy thread you were monogamous. I assume you mean sexually monogomous but you are considering being part of a poly triad? So you are maybe polyamorous but not polysexual?

Just wrapping my mind around it.

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So this time jelousy wont be a issue.


It seems to me that believing jealousy will not ever be an issue might be a mistake. Dealing with and working through jealousy are important skills for any person seriously considering a poly relationship IMO.



< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 12/27/2005 3:54:03 PM >


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RE: Jealousy - 12/27/2005 3:58:22 PM   
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whooooooooo
we are far from that point.
we don't share a home.
Master is my mentor and friend, bella is my sister and friend,the rest is only been things we have tossed around in discussions(off the boards).
no physical service at this time
i have deep feelings for both of them,both are an important part of my life, but we are not to where all the questions are....if and when we get to that point i'll be happy to share

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunshine119

fyrered,

As you are going to enter into a relationship which already exists between two people, I have to ask some questions which I have always wished to pose. How did it "feel" actually walking into a home in which you felt the newcomer, the outsider? Did you have as great feelings for Bella as you did for Thomas? I ask these things, because in my mind, I can sometimes understand how people get into non real-time relationships such as this. But, since yours started as an on-line relationship, how did it change when you finally met them both?

How did you feel about sharing chores or serving? Did you all play together all the time? I suppose that I am one of those people who will always be haunted by jealousy of some sort. I don't share well and can't imagine He who owns me telling me that we would be joined, in our home, by another? As a psychologist.....how do you sort this all out?

Curious minds just want to know.



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RE: Jealousy - 12/27/2005 4:17:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunshine119
How did it "feel" actually walking into a home in which you felt the newcomer, the outsider?

Speaking as someone who has always been the "new girl" in her poly relationships...it felt very trepidatious for me, but also felt good. I was so worried about being found lacking, or somehow not being anywhere near as cool...but yet I felt RIGHT about being with them and RIGHT about getting involved together.

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How did you feel about sharing chores or serving?

HA that was the best part. Sure there's a bit more work with more people around, but there's also more people to get it done!

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Did you all play together all the time?

Not in any of my relationships. Sometimes we did, sometimes we didn't. Depended on who was around, the mood, the situation. Didn't really matter.
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I don't share well and can't imagine He who owns me telling me that we would be joined, in our home, by another? As a psychologist.....how do you sort this all out?

Curious minds just want to know.

It's simply who I am. I'm sharing MYSELF, with THEM. Love isn't a pie to be given away in pieces. The common analogy is that of a mother- a new child doesn't mean the love and relationship with the first child has to suffer, simply that everyone learns a new balance with eachother.

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RE: Jealousy - 12/27/2005 6:22:33 PM   
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quote:

How did it "feel" actually walking into a home in which you felt the newcomer, the outsider? Did you have as great feelings for Bella as you did for Thomas? How did you feel about sharing chores or serving? Did you all play together all the time? I suppose that I am one of those people who will always be haunted by jealousy of some sort.


I have been the "new girl" in a polysexual relationship, one non-bdsm and one with a s/D. Let me point out neither was a committed polyamorous relationship with shared living and shared chores. However, both were friendships/relationships that went beyond the add-an-extra-girl-stir-and-bake sexual encounter.

As a newcomer I always tried to be very conscious of overstepping. There seems to be a perception that the new girl will come in, try and take over, and run off the exisiting girl. In even the most casual beginning of a potential relationship, I try and avoid any appearance of that. I also talk with both, ask some questions, observe, and try and determine the strength of their existing relationship. I don't even want to bother beginning with a pair or couple that has a shaky framework or don't seem to be on the same page about what they want. I think that is just disaster waiting to happen. I try and start that open communication thing very early.

I guess I initially feel excited, intrigued about the potential, but very cautious.

With the current couple I am involved with I do have feelings for both of them. There is a different dynamic, of course. I do not consider the submissive as a sister, but a friend. A friend I like to have sex with sometimes. The Dom I also consider a friend that I also like to have sex with. Sometimes it is just he and I, sometimes it is her and I and he may join later, sometimes it is all three. And sometimes we don't feel like it and just go to dinner or wander off to bed tired. Although I talk with them frequently I only see them a few times a month, so they have much of their own time. Both are free to see other people as well, so they do have designated "us time" nights and I know to avoid interfering with those. I see people and I keep them aware of what is going on with me, but there is no posessiveness on that end at all.

Communication is not always just discussions. I am quick to pick up on an attitude or mood and they are as well. Sometimes we don't NEED to have a big discussion - something is easily identified and resolved with a simple act.

I do not share chores, although I get up and help her out...as any guest would. That is similar for service, I guess. There have been things he asked of me that she could not do or just fit me better, and so it was done.

There has not been much jealousy for me, mostly because I went in understanding the situation. I feel a gratitude towards her for trusting me in a way she does not some women. There is little jealousy from her because of that trust and the fact I am "submissive light." For her it is the very submissive personalities and behaviors that tend to bring out her jealousy. My only real flash of jealousy so far came regarding ANOTHER girl -- the momentary panic they "liked her better" than me and I might be replaced. I worked through it quickly.

For us, she is his collared submissive and he is her Dominant. That relationship is exclusive in a sense - he does not heavy scene with others and no one else shares that unique relationship. They are the primary relationship. I am a bonus accessory and perfectly content with this arrangement. I made two friends out of the deal and as time passes those friendships are deepening. It may not be a permanent arrangement because one never knows how things evolve or what the future holds.





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RE: Jealousy - 12/29/2005 9:51:11 AM   
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I agree that there is a yin-yang element in play for those seeking a D/S love Relationship (which implies an attachment and a connection on many levels.) Of course this is not what everyone wants, some DOMS may prefer a slave, others a worshiper, others a client, others a viable tool for relationship power and manipulation (the "hand.")

In such a relationship, I would argue the roles are natural. They are not played (bedroom games), they are not forced (D & S have their own natural way), and they are harmonious. The energy goes back and forth and there is no empty forcing.


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RE: Jealousy - 12/29/2005 12:47:11 PM   
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quote:

They are the primary relationship. I am a bonus accessory and perfectly content with this arrangement.


That is so f'ing sweet. It is nice you don't mind being used and continually being second best.

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RE: Jealousy - 12/29/2005 12:55:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ares1
That is so f'ing sweet. It is nice you don't mind being used and continually being second best.

The fact that you see it as being "second best" would be an incorrect perspective.

She is the best she can be. She is second.

That doesn't make her "second best," just "best second."

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RE: Jealousy - 1/20/2006 9:06:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ares1

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They are the primary relationship. I am a bonus accessory and perfectly content with this arrangement.


That is so f'ing sweet. It is nice you don't mind being used and continually being second best.


Obviously you don't like to be second... OR was that Last! or did you even finish!... Bet you got cut from the Team!

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RE: Jealousy - 1/20/2006 9:50:25 PM   
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omg fractal people eeeeew ok to the point i have never understood why people can not get it in their heads we are not drones we all get jealous its human nature hell people kill over jealousy its called crimes of passion now me personelly i am a one person kinda of person i do not share call it spiritual blending of the souls i am tried of hearing the other persons voice when someone cheats with another i love the purity of being with one and only and dig into everything thing they are whcih so few of you know how to do or you would see what i am saying any how just my point of view you shoudl watch old movies you can learn alot from them peeps
namaste


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