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Mercnbeth -> Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 8:32:10 AM)

Anyone else a groupie for the Sunday news shows? Where else can you see and hear so much agenda based propaganda being spewed forth from rehearsed questions and answers? Somehow questions, which seem so obvious to me, are missed. I don't think its any coincidence. You can tell by the paying advertisers that no special interest will be attacked. Sure you can still bash, 'the rich' unless its Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Streisand, Ted Turner, or some other pseudo intellectual academic liberal, but all solutions point to excuses and government care-taking for the cost of more government intrusion into every day life.

Yesterday, I was hoping to hear at least one of these questions asked...

Doesn't giving $15 Billion to the auto industry when they asked for $30 set up both the industry and Congress for rationalized failure?

Why wasn't there one 'successful' auto industry CEO asked to testify before Congress and give their plan?

If this 'crisis' was the result of "30 years of mismanagement" (summarizing PE Obama's  quote) why do the CEO's come now to be 'helped'. (My answer - because they have fools willing to give them $15 Billion now.) 

What happened to ending the Iraq war and bringing home the troops ASAP as a key PE Obama campaign issue? A quick way to pick up a few Billion to the USA 'bottom line'.

Why are there no cuts in any action to close the deficit at the national, state, or local level? (Especially in CA where 'cut' is defined as not increasing budgeted spending. Really silly in the case of education where more money is being spent generating fewer educated and qualified HS graduates.)

Considering the decreasing value of the stock market and its impact on peoples retirement and 401k; why should anyone invest in a 'good', profitable company competing against a failure getting a government hand out?

On a personal level, why should people pay their mortgage payment when if you don't, you are promised aid?

Why should anyone feel "privileged" to pay more taxes when they are spent by cities such as SF who have a policy of not deporting illegal aliens and who instead advertise themselves as a 'sanctuary city' for people who have broken the law by definition?

I'd have more questions given the same opportunity as any of those whose agenda is to distract those interested enough to try and stay informed.




popeye1250 -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 8:49:12 AM)

Mercnbeth, good questions.
And when will we be bringing the Troops home from S. Korea, Japan and Germany too?
I can remember the days when Reporters actually "reported" the News not try to influence it.
When it was considered a "craft" to be a Reporter not a,..."proffession."




blacksword404 -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 10:05:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Anyone else a groupie for the Sunday news shows? Where else can you see and hear so much agenda based propaganda being spewed forth from rehearsed questions and answers? Somehow questions, which seem so obvious to me, are missed. I don't think its any coincidence. You can tell by the paying advertisers that no special interest will be attacked. Sure you can still bash, 'the rich' unless its Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Streisand, Ted Turner, or some other pseudo intellectual academic liberal, but all solutions point to excuses and government care-taking for the cost of more government intrusion into every day life.

Yesterday, I was hoping to hear at least one of these questions asked...

Doesn't giving $15 Billion to the auto industry when they asked for $30 set up both the industry and Congress for rationalized failure?

Why wasn't there one 'successful' auto industry CEO asked to testify before Congress and give their plan?

If this 'crisis' was the result of "30 years of mismanagement" (summarizing PE Obama's  quote) why do the CEO's come now to be 'helped'. (My answer - because they have fools willing to give them $15 Billion now.) 

What happened to ending the Iraq war and bringing home the troops ASAP as a key PE Obama campaign issue? A quick way to pick up a few Billion to the USA 'bottom line'.

Why are there no cuts in any action to close the deficit at the national, state, or local level? (Especially in CA where 'cut' is defined as not increasing budgeted spending. Really silly in the case of education where more money is being spent generating fewer educated and qualified HS graduates.)

Considering the decreasing value of the stock market and its impact on peoples retirement and 401k; why should anyone invest in a 'good', profitable company competing against a failure getting a government hand out?

On a personal level, why should people pay their mortgage payment when if you don't, you are promised aid?

Why should anyone feel "privileged" to pay more taxes when they are spent by cities such as SF who have a policy of not deporting illegal aliens and who instead advertise themselves as a 'sanctuary city' for people who have broken the law by definition?

I'd have more questions given the same opportunity as any of those whose agenda is to distract those interested enough to try and stay informed.


How dare you ask question like these. What are you trying to do, solve things or something? Shhh quiet now lest anyone hears.




SilverMark -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 11:51:42 AM)

As always Merc, good post!....I watch both Georgie "the Boy Wonder" Stephanopolus and Brokaw(soon to be replaced)
and for the most part they don't agitate too many guests. Always thought a little Mike Wallace "Gotcha' journalism" as it is now called, would be good but, rarely see much challenge in the interviews. When you do see it, it seems it is only from agenda based shows like O'Rielly or Matthews and then whoever it is they go after complains about the left or right biased media. I couldn't imagine many pols wanting to be on Meet the Press if they knew someone was going to challenge them much unless it was someone who relished the confrontation and Lord knows there aren't that many pols willing to take the chance.





pahunkboy -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 11:53:44 AM)

that because news is suppose to be entertainment.   (2008)


all the world is a stage.   




kittinSol -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 11:57:40 AM)

That's partly true: and the news companies that make billions in the process are being rewarded for their success.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 1:06:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
I watch both Georgie "the Boy Wonder" Stephanopolus and Brokaw(soon to be replaced) and for the most part they don't agitate too many guests. Always thought a little Mike Wallace "Gotcha' journalism" as it is now called, would be good but, rarely see much challenge in the interviews. When you do see it, it seems it is only from agenda based shows like O'Rielly or Matthews and then whoever it is they go after complains about the left or right biased media. I couldn't imagine many pols wanting to be on Meet the Press if they knew someone was going to challenge them much unless it was someone who relished the confrontation and Lord knows there aren't that many pols willing to take the chance.

You want the future of Network news? Look no further than these two stories:
quote:

NEW YORK (AP) - Media conglomerate Tribune Co. filed for bankruptcy protection Monday, as the owner of the Chicago Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Cubs and other properties tries to deal with $13 billion in debt Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D94UNNQG3&show_article=1 


quote:

The New York Times Company plans to borrow up to $225 million against its mid-Manhattan headquarters building, to ease a potential cash flow squeeze as the company grapples with tighter credit and shrinking profits. Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/08/business/08times.php
Beside the obvious 'Air America' liberal bias of the news reported from these entities; the other thing in common with these soon to be failures, is that they have disenfranchised themselves from their audience. They aren't reporting the news they are creating news and putting it though a lens which produces an opinion in line with their agenda. They've been caught too many times and now there is little difference in the Times, Tribune, and the National Enquirer. In many situations, I'd trust the Enquirer before the other two.

In an era where 'yellow journalism' can't be forced down the throats of readership due to too many neutral or equally 'right' biased sources. Of course, you can go with the conspiracy theory and say that the the Times and Tribune are only trying to reserve their spot in the government handout for failure entitlement line.

PA Hunk said it best, the news has become entertainment. Pity - when in these times we need the hard questions asked by a modern day Edward R. Murrow.

Consider the attention given to Brokaw and his "tough questions" for the PE. PE Obama answered one comparing the economy in need for a transfusion; nice analogy. Am I more intelligent than Brokaw by thinking that the next question, using the PE's example, would be "what is the source of the healthy blood?" In the example, the government 'doctor' wants to inject healthy 'blood' from a healthy part of the 'body' and give it to the 'sick' one. In practice that doesn't work. You can't treat a gangrenous leg by taking blood from the healthy leg. Doing so, the patient dies. You have to cut off the leg to cure the problem. But Brokaw just gave a 'head-bob' while glancing in awe, avoiding direct eye contact, at the PE.

My 'conspiracy theory' is that if the questions I posed were asked of both sides of the 'right' 'left' labeled talking heads; people would realize that the current batch is answering fundamentally the same regardless of the label. Their focus is on not changing the status quo.

Don't take my word for it. This article points to concern from the other side:
quote:

Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He’s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he’s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss. Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16292.html 


Why is it that the 'right' is far less worried than they were right after the election and the 'left' is more worried? I doubt some of these appointees would have been considered under a PE McCain.

It points to the only solution being the elimination any incumbent from consideration for reelection.

Fortunately for the standard bearers and party politic apologists the standardized answers have been distributed to the faithful. Over the coming months and years, you can be sure that one of these will be the common response for the Obama Administration:
  • Nothing can be done overnight
  • It's Bush's fault.
  • There is no 'super majority' or filibuster-proof majority in Congress
  • It's Bush's fault
  • This (whatever) could not have been foreseen.
  • It's Bush's fault
  • The old Congress approved the first bailout and set precedent to be followed
  • It's Bush's fault
  • We have a long way to go
  • It's Bush's fault
  • It's complicated
  • It's Bush's fault

BTW one last question for the intelligentsia. What's the difference between mandatory 'Government Oversight' as has been floating around as a condition for the auto industry bailout and 'Nationalization' of the auto industry? Since we're considering a head bob to that word manipulation why not have that same, as suggested, Cabinet level government bureaucracy 'oversee' your choice of vehicles and mandate that each US citizen only buy/drive a US car? Or will that be part of the 2nd Obama administration's auto industry recovery plan Part II? 




Termyn8or -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 7:04:28 PM)

Ummmm, Merc, three of those actually ARE Bush's fault. But that's only three out of six.

Having read me for the last year or so, do you think I would make those mistakes ? I would hope you know better. If I were President and they came to me wanting to deregulate banks, oh sure, but the new package would chafe them much worse. Actually I would have been more inclined to simply refuse.

I have already outlined what I would do in the big chair, at least part of it. If my plans would have been followed eight years ago we would not have this mess.

Oh, and by the way, it might be four out of six because Bush alienated so many former republican voters that he may have been responsible for the "color" of congress of today.

Even so, I realize that we can't blame Bush for everything. He did not inherit a gold mine and turn it into a candy store, those days in Texas are over. He proved that he can't run a business, but government is a bit dofferent. Eight years has proven he can't run a government either. But who can ? Obama ?

You think I like Obama ? Hell no, he was just the better choice.

The one issue I was with McCain on was nuclear power. We have no choice. Even he wasn't perfect because I think he wanted to overdo it. More nuclear power is a good thing but he was talking hundreds of plants, this is too much because we have to advance from this fission>steam system and eventually it will happen. In a country this big, on this scale of operations we would be saddled once again with an outdated infrastructure, while smaller countries like France for example, would have alot less work to do.

I don't think any politician has a sense of the five Ps. Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance.

T




subfever -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/8/2008 11:46:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

My 'conspiracy theory' is that if the questions I posed were asked of both sides of the 'right' 'left' labeled talking heads; people would realize that the current batch is answering fundamentally the same regardless of the label. Their focus is on not changing the status quo.



Bingo. But lotsa luck getting the peasantry to see through the illusions and grasp this simple, but ugly truth.





TheUtopian -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 12:05:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subfever

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

My 'conspiracy theory' is that if the questions I posed were asked of both sides of the 'right' 'left' labeled talking heads; people would realize that the current batch is answering fundamentally the same regardless of the label. Their focus is on not changing the status quo.



Bingo. But lotsa luck getting the peasantry to see through the illusions and grasp this simple, but ugly truth.




Heh......The phony left-right/Democrat-Republican paradigm is the most diabolical trap out there.

The voting populace returned all but sixteen house/senate members back to congress who cast a ''yes'' vote for the seven-trillion dollar welfare check/gift to the Wall Street banking cartel.

Like I said in another thread - Mainstream corporate programming is easily the most effective weapon in their well-stocked arsenal.






- R




SilverMark -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 2:33:14 AM)

With the Trib going down and other newspapers across the country in such horrible financial shape, I wonder if there will be any news "papers" left except for the on line versions?
If that were to occur do you think that the competing blogs etc. and discussion sights will become either entirely Left or entirely Right with no middle ground?
TV news of course will continue with both local and National news but even the numbers for those shows are declining.  So where will us news junkies turn?
As for the PE and liberals being nervous, I certainly have my liberal views but am not nervous about Obama nor his plans. The far left much like the far right will never be satisfied, extremes in politics aren't satisfied unless they have something to bitch about. With the left, unless you plan to add a pro abortion amendment, cease production of almost anything that creates pollution, rule that everyone rides a bike and you dismantle Washington in favor of a hilltop in Wyoming they will bitch. On the far right outlaw almost everything but a free market economy and they will be happy as long as you somehow tie it all to God, Christianity and our next war.
I will continue to read, decipher what is written, take my stands get more information and believe as I think is correct as most of us here will with the failures and biases understood and taken in to consideration.




rulemylife -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 2:56:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

With the Trib going down and other newspapers across the country in such horrible financial shape, I wonder if there will be any news "papers" left except for the on line versions?




What confuses me is why these papers seem bent on their own demise unless they have decided online is the only solution.

Both of our local papers have decreased content and increased prices. 

One has reduced its editorial/opinion section to one page and directs readers to go to its website for the rest. 

So basically they're telling me I can't receive, as a paying customer, what I can receive free online.

Does this make some kind of business sense that I'm missing here?




SilverMark -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 3:02:31 AM)

I guess it has just become the newspaper's reallity....they cannot exist as is...and print ads have gotten unbelievably expensive so the want the revenues from on line ads.




Termyn8or -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 8:00:17 AM)

That's an interesting slant. Internet is tracable, shutdownable, sites can be blocked etc., not so with print. The printing press was one serious vestige of freedom of speech in this country. The only printed media I know of in this country that was shut down by law in my lifetime was The Spotlight. I didn't agree with everything but it was a good alternative news source. They probably went too far when they brought up phrenology in an article. However an online source can be hacked and destroyed.

The loss of the real printing press is a concern. However in recent years they are nothing but shills anyway. It may seem like no big loss, but I am not so sure. Much in the same way that I would not throw my guns in the trash just because I haven't had to use them in a very long time. Or "taking the fifth" which I have never done.

They cut down the trees,
Put em in a tree museum,
And charge the people,
A dollar and a half,
Just to see um,

Don't it always seem to go,
You don't know what you got till it's gone,
They paved paradise,
Put up a parking lot.

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 8:40:16 AM)

Hey Term, PRECISELY!

With basically 1 "wire"   that being the internet.    Simply squeeze the wire and free speach is dead.

more and more- the local newspaper is not in touch.   the best one could get is maybe a letter to the eiditor.  or maybe is one filed court papers, then that would be covered, maybe.

the newspaper here is as clueless as the tv!

we worship empire.

I am getting ready to pull the charter on Bucknell.   They have fraudulated  the trust of dispensing of knowledge.  The tribe is in disequilibrium,  in a constant state of war, disseminating junk science, junk economics, and celebrating mediocrity,  slacking as the standard of living has declined every year since 1968.  Bucknell has done nothing to stop the disintegration of 2008 civilization placing us on the eve, of the new dark ages.  To the extent that Bucknell limited  per  paradyme, it is porportional to the assessed blame.

anyhow- the lone person could write up a newsletter.   maybe.




Termyn8or -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 9:04:50 AM)

Well I have a laser printer with plenty of toner ..........

T




pahunkboy -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 10:16:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Well I have a laser printer with plenty of toner ..........

T


Perfect!

There is a disconnect between what they put in the paper, and what can be found online.  If the neighborhood knew all the "plans" for us, I doubt there would be easy compliance. 

Newsprint can survive. People still like the feel of a paper.  Something about paper is still desirable.   locally we stopped the rub off ink, so that is a start.   People will read/consume what is easy, yet complete.   We have to get away from unnamed sources and fake studies.




subrob1967 -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 12:09:17 PM)

Newspapers are shutting down due to Global Climate Change...Dontcha know[;)]




SilverMark -> RE: Questions Not Asked By Any Sunday Morning Talking Head (12/9/2008 12:12:39 PM)

nothing like a good, solidly reasoned answer to the worlds issues rob!...lol




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