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WalterRego -> CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 7:26:05 AM)

University of Michigan investigates professor's involvement in prostitution case with law student
| The Ann Arbor News Friday December 12, 2008, 8:53 AM

The University of Michigan is investigating one of its associate professors accused of paying a U-M Law School student for sexual acts after meeting her online, officials said.

Yaron Eliav, 44, an associate professor in the Department of Near Eastern Studies, awaits sentencing Dec. 30 after pleading no contest to a misdemeanor charge of using a computer to commit a crime. The 22-year-old student also pleaded no contest to the same charge.

They were originally charged with prostitution/accosting and solicitation, misdemeanors punishable by up to 93 days in jail.

The case came to light in April when the student went to an Ann Arbor police station to report she was assaulted by Eliav after they met at a hotel on the city's north side.

The student told police she was advertising sex acts online via Craigslist to help pay tuition costs. For an in-state student, U-M Law School tuition is $41,500 a year; out-of-state students pay $44,500. The student told police she reluctantly agreed to allow Eliav to strike her buttocks with a belt, but got upset when he slapped her in the face twice, reports said. She said she suffered vision problems afterward, but did not have any lasting injuries.

The rarity of how the case began - with a law student showing up at the police department's front desk to report she was assaulted while committing a crime herself - was not lost on investigators. "Perhaps she should have cracked a legal textbook before coming in to the police station to talk about this," Ann Arbor Detective Sgt. Richard Kinsey said.

Both she and Eliav told police they didn't have intercourse, but engaged in other sex acts, and he paid her $300, according to police reports.

When he was interviewed by police, Eliav said he responded to the online ad because he was interested in experimenting sexually. He said he complied when she told him to stop certain activities and admitted to slapping her face, but said it was "like a game," reports said.

Eliav also called the woman a willing participant and said they hugged at the end of the encounter, reports said.

It appears Eliav knew the woman was a law school student, but it not clear from the police reports whether he knew that going into the encounter. He told investigators the money he paid the woman was simply "a token," and called her "a bored college student."

Gary Beckman, chairman of U-M's Near Eastern Studies Department, declined to comment Tuesday and referred questions to U-M spokeswoman Kelly Cunningham.
Cunningham said Eliav is the subject of an internal university investigation, but she couldn't provide additional details.

"We take this matter very seriously," Cunningham said.
Eliav joined the university in 2000 and is still on the faculty, she said. U-M records show Eliav is a tenured professor who received his doctorate from Hebrew University and came to U-M after working as a senior fellow in the Institute for Advanced Studies at Hebrew University.

The law school is also reviewing the matter, said Cunningham, adding that student confidentiality rules prevent her from saying more.

When reached about a month ago, the student would not comment, and she couldn't be reached this week. Her attorney called the charges against her offensive and declined further comment. Eliav's attorney, Doug Mulkoff, said Thursday that he requested a deferred sentence from prosecutors. If granted, the case would eventually be dismissed as long as Eliav met certain conditions. The conviction carries a maximum sentence of a year in jail. A no contest plea is not an admission of guilt, but is treated as such for sentencing purposes.

"He denies any wrongdoing but pled no contest to quickly resolve this private matter," Mulkoff said. Washtenaw County Chief Assistant Prosecutor Joseph Burke said prosecutors have not made any agreements with Eliav or the student. Court records indicate the student also sought a deferred sentence.

Deputy Chief Assistant Prosecutor Steven Hiller said prosecutors didn't charge Eliav with assault because they didn't feel they could prove that crime.

"In order to prove a case of assault and battery, you have to prove (nonconsensual) physical contact beyond a reasonable doubt, and based on the circumstances, we did not feel we could prove that," Hiller said.

Police reports also indicate the student admitted to arranging money-for-sex deals with about eight or nine men in April and May, saying she needed the money for tuition.

The student said she advertised online and got to her appointments using hourly rental cars available on campus through Zipcar, according to police reports.

University policy strongly discourages - but does not prohibit - a professor from engaging in a consensual sexual relationship with a student. If a professor supervises the student, the professor's superior has to draw up a plan to manage the conflict of interest, such as having the student taught by another professor.




DavanKael -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 7:45:41 AM)

I am astonished that the University policy does not prohibit a professor from engaging in consensual sexual relationships with students. 
Years back, I had a friend who had an affair/relationship with one of our instructors (He wasn't a PhD) in college (Interestingly, she was older than the professor) and I recall them both being very concerned about keeping the relationship under wraps as it would have cost him his ob immediately. 
I am a little confused about the title of the thread but thanks for sharing the information.  :> 
  Davan




WalterRego -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 8:25:42 AM)

It's a weird story, from both sides and I'm not sure what I think of it. We'll never know what really happened or what caused her to go to the police. Maybe simply as many threads here attest, some people are just really freaked out by having their face slapped (I could never understand this, I love it).

I had a number of other thoughts for the title of the thread, but then decided on one that was a bit more  "neutral": If you're thinking about being adventurous and trying some BDSM but with a "pro" maybe those you meet here on CM are a safer bet than Craigs List.




ErikaTate1 -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 8:27:41 AM)

That is too  hysterical!  There's just no cure for stupid!
Thanks for sharing.....  I wonder, what happens next!?

Ms. J




Lynnxz -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 8:30:33 AM)

It's not really complicated, she was not into the corporal thing as an escort, and he got pushy.  He figured since he was paying her, he could do whatever he felt like.

This is ridiculous though, a girl should have the right to report assault- even if she is *GASP! HORRORS!* an escort. People can do whatever the hell they want to escorts, and get away with it, because the police will file charges against the woman as well.

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I had a number of other thoughts for the title of the thread, but then decided on one that was a bit more  "neutral": If you're thinking about being adventurous and trying some BDSM but with a "pro" maybe those you meet here on CM are a safer bet than Craigs List.


His problem is NOT that he went to Craigslist, (Altho, ok, it's sketchy at times) His problem is that he wanted to play kinky with a non-kinky escort, and pissed her off. He should have gone the pro route, and done the extra research, and found a pro sub, or possibly an escort that caters to fetishes. Most however, do not like being hit. No shit, no one wants to get hit in the face by some guy you barely know. In my eyes, she did nothing wrong, but was a little slow in assuming the cops would not bust her as well.




WalterRego -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 8:46:23 AM)

In principle I agree with you, Lynnxz, but there is just so much unclear to this story. Both deny having sex. Now that could be because neither wanted to get into potential prostitution charges. But it could also mean they both understood or negotiated for some BDSM exploration. Okay, so she didn't like getting hit with a belt,  maybe he thought a slap would be less painful?

Maybe he didn't realize that it can be more damaging to slap someone. Maybe it brought out something in her childhood.

And no one's saying an escort can't report assault. She did. But that doesn't - from a police point of view, negate the other "crime" of prostitution. Or the fact from a DA's point of view, how do you prove lack of consent given where they started. So in the end both of them copped to lesser pleas.

To be fair, how come all the news accounts report his name, but not hers? She's not a minor.




Lynnxz -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 8:54:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WalterRego

In principle I agree with you, Lynnxz, but there is just so much unclear to this story. Both deny having sex. Now that could be because neither wanted to get into potential prostitution charges.


They said there was no intercourse, but admitted to other sexual acts, ie: oral.

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 But it could also mean they both understood or negotiated for some BDSM exploration. Okay, so she didn't like getting hit with a belt,  maybe he thought a slap would be less painful?

You don't 'surprise' someone with a slap to the face, this guy is pushy, and has no idea what he's doing. It already said she reluctantly agreed to the belt.
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Maybe he didn't realize that it can be more damaging to slap someone. Maybe it brought out something in her childhood.


Maybe he hit her so hard that she had blurry vision for a few seconds. That's what 'vision problems' says to me. Either way, it's not something you do without prior agreement.

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And no one's saying an escort can't report assault. She did. But that doesn't - from a police point of view, negate the other "crime" of prostitution. Or the fact from a DA's point of view, how do you prove lack of consent given where they started. So in the end both of them copped to lesser pleas.


In most places escorts cannot report assault without being charged with prostitution.  Many, many girls do not report anything at all for fear of being arrested. The top fear of escorts seems to be rape and assault- simply because the johns know they can get away with it.

This is where pimps come in. Sure they may 'protect' the girls from clients, but they also might force them to work longer days, with seedier clients, and then take half the money to top it all off.



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To be fair, how come all the news accounts report his name, but not hers? She's not a minor.


Not sure, usually they are all about the name smearing.

The US should quit dicking around with this moral dilemma crap, and decriminalize prostitution.  [>:][>:][>:]




RedMagic1 -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 8:58:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz
In my eyes, she did nothing wrong, but was a little slow in assuming the cops would not bust her as well.

Or she was pissed enough that she didn't care.

This is an indictment of the economy, more than anything else.  There's going to be a lot of new strippers and escorts in the next couple years.  A friend of mine, met here, put herself through a year of grad school by stripping.  She now has an MS and an MBA -- and a "respectable" job.  But her family was broke, and so was she.




AStudyInScarlet -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 9:01:04 AM)

""Perhaps she should have cracked a legal textbook before coming in to the police station to talk about this," Ann Arbor Detective Sgt. Richard Kinsey said"

what the fucking fuck???? that makes me so mad! at the very least this officer should be reprimanded for suggesting that a sexual assault victim should not have reported the crime. prostitutes are raped and assaulted all the time and don't report it because of assholes like this.




Lynnxz -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 2:11:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ErikaTate1

That is too  hysterical!  There's just no cure for stupid!
Thanks for sharing.....  I wonder, what happens next!?

Ms. J


What happens next? The next time she is assaulted/raped, she does not report it, and the perp goes free.

Yes.

Hysterical.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 2:31:29 PM)

there's no clear indication that she was raped. 

she's (the law student) an idiot for going to the police station to report a crime while committing one herself. she had to know the danger she was putting herself in when posting an ad like that on Craigslist. now, she can kiss her potential legal career goodbye.

i agree they should post her name in the article.




rachel529 -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 2:39:24 PM)

i think the point is- prostitution is not a crime.  it should be decriminalized.  then, this shit won't happen.  land of the free my eye.




RedMagic1 -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 2:42:13 PM)

People who think criminals are "stupid" have, in general, (1) never visited someone in prison, and (2) never felt truly helpless.  I'm not talking delicious-kink-helpless.  I'm talking there literally is no one to call, no form of redress.  Someone took something from you, and there is no way you are ever getting even a little piece of it back.

Well, let me tell you, there's a hard fucking rain about to fall.  People who never thought they would ever steal in order to buy eggs and bread are going to start doing that... and women (and young slender men) who never thought they'd be tricking to pay rent are going to start doing that.

Now would be a good time for everyone to develop a little more compassion for people on the wrong side of the tracks... and the wrong side of the law.  The number of layoffs keeps going up, and there are only so many assistant manager jobs at the local video store.




LinnaeaBorealis -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 2:58:48 PM)

I'm with you, Red & Lynnx.  There are a lot of people who don't have experience who seem to find themselves qualified to talk about how bad it is to perform certain acts.  When I was a much younger woman, I worked in the sex trades.  One night I was raped & my rapist told me he would be back to rape me again.  I thought for about 20 seconds about going to the police to ask for protection.  Then I realized that getting raped once in an evening was quite enough.  I didn't wish to go be emotionally & verbally raped by the constabulary.  They wouldn't have taken me seriously & would have told me that I was "asking for it" because of my profession.  I had nowhere to turn but to myself.

How sad that 40 years later, this is still the case.  Sex trade workers are viewed as "less than" when it comes to human & civil rights.  None of us have a clue why people are out there working in the profession & they certainly should be afforded the basic protection that the rest of us take for granted.  Just because you have never been there, doesn't mean that you have anything to feel superior about.  Nor do you have the right to call this person stupid or laugh at her.  Maybe once you have walked a mile in her shoes...

RedMagic, your sig line says it all.




LadyPact -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 3:07:16 PM)

Perhaps when the comment was made by the officer, it meant that this situation wouldn't have occured if the student would have thought about the fact that she was intending to commit a crime before she ever met the guy.  She knew she was selling 'sexual acts' for money. 

I am in no way blaming victims of crimes for what happens to them.  Yet it is also My opinion that people have to use some sense about the situations they put themselves in. 

Perhaps she would have been better off putting school on hold for a semester and getting herself an old fashioned J O B.  Or, like Red said, find a different avenue, such as stripping, that is legal and does tend to have a pretty decent pay off.  She wouldn't be the first person dancing her way through paying the bills while getting her education.




moonvine -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 3:21:59 PM)

I've never had a job that paid more than 43k a year and I have a master's degree, I can't imagine her being able to get a job which allowed her to pay 41,500 legal school tuition plus living expenses.   Her undergrad degree is likely in English or some other "pre law school" field which tend to lead to quite low paying jobs by themselves. 




BKSir -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 3:43:56 PM)

Well, prostitution is illegal there, so, in that sense, he did break the law, technically.  I have to agree that it should be legalized, but, in this case, it's not, so that's that.  As for what he did or did not do to/with her, I wasn't there so, who knows...  Now, as far as rules go with student/teacher relationships, I think they're fine, or at least should be considered so, as long as said student isn't IN said teachers class.  Simply because that could lead to bias and favoritism, and I'm not terribly in favour of that.  Otherwise, they're adults, so why the hell not?




Lynnxz -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 8:11:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

there's no clear indication that she was raped. 



She was not raped, she was assaulted, a VERY common crime committed against woman in situations like these. On a side note, rape is as well, but that didn't happen here.


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she's (the law student) an idiot for going to the police station to report a crime while committing one herself. she had to know the danger she was putting herself in when posting an ad like that on Craigslist. now, she can kiss her potential legal career goodbye.


Why? Why in the world should someone be denied help because they are an escort?? This country is fucking ass backwards. [>:][>:]

Can you tell it's a personal pet peeve? [:D]
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i agree they should post her name in the article.

Why? It'd serve no purpose, except to stroke the egos of those that feel they are "omg so much better than THAT"




geekgrrl -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 10:29:10 PM)

Ugh this story is so depressing....and that cop should lose his job for the "she should have cracked a textbook" comment. Gee i wonder why sex workers are one of the most vulnerable groups of people in society? Maybe because the police seem to think they don't have a right to expect equal protection under the law.




califsue -> RE: CMs safer than CL for BDSM! (12/16/2008 10:34:59 PM)

Lynnxz---The US should quit dicking around with this moral dilemma crap, and decriminalize prostitution.  [>:][>:][>:]

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!




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