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artisanstemple -> safety of shock collars (1/4/2009 11:15:56 PM)

Sir is talking about using a shock collar on me, which I must say I find very appealing. But I was wondering about it's safety. I do trust Him to know what He's doing, but I also just always like to get my own info on things, and also if anyone has any insight or advice that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

. . . btw, how do I change this vanilla cone to something else? tnx. ;)



SteelofUtah -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/4/2009 11:44:49 PM)

Change the cone by Posting to more threads the more the post the more it will change.

As for your Collar Query I will say this. They are NOT as safe as many assume and they say right on the box NOT intended for Human Use.

SO that you know they commonly malfunction even the expensive ones and my personal favorite last year in UTAH of all places there were two deaths from thier use.

Make sure your Master looks up all the statistics first because just saying "That ain't that bad" Has killed many a redneck.

I sy this because I care, not to insult but if you all go through with this please start a live Journal so that the world can follow along with your story. DateLine NBC may want to do a Story.

Seriously Type Human use Dog Shock Collars into Google you get a 50/50 array of Happy and Scary stories.

When you are done with all the Call the vets office and ask what they think you should do then call the Doctors office and ask them.

Bet you gets lots of BAD IDEA.

Steel



cadenas -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/5/2009 1:07:43 AM)

Just a couple of thoughts on it, a random selection of pro and con:

- These collars say "not for human use" simply because they haven't been formally tested. It doesn't necessarily mean "dangerous" but is just a legal disclaimer.

- Dogs are somewhat different from humans in that they have fur and thicker skin. That would make them less sensitive to a shock.

- The life of a dog is less precious than the life of a human (at least to us humans).

- Some breeds of dog are substantially smaller than human, and presumably more sensitive to the shocks.

- Most collars have different power settings.

- Tasers ARE designed for humans, and are supposedly safe and non-lethal, but they do kill. Tasers also have considerably more power than the shock collars.

- The neck is a particularly dangerous part of the human body.

- I hear that the shock collar sales force regularly use them for demonstration with little ill effect. Primarily to prove that they won't harm your precious pet.

My recommendation: be careful. Before you get started, make sure your heart is healthy (since this is the organ most likely to be affected). Then put the collar on a thigh or another safe area. Use the lowest setting and try to see how it feels. Once you have a good understanding what the collar does or does not do, realize that you may not necessarily feel symptoms right away, even though something may have gone wrong. So check for burns at the contact point, check blood pressure and pulse.

Read up on how electricity travels through the body, read up on how Tasers kill, read up on how various other electrical toys work.

Then, once you have a very thorough understanding, you could try it on the neck at the lowest setting.

My best guess is that as long as you are reasonably healthy, you will be OK with the lowest power setting, and may or may not be able to handle higher ones.




BondageBarbieX -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/5/2009 4:42:29 AM)

It does not sound like a good idea,personally I would pass on this as I would find it degrading.



artisanstemple -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/5/2009 6:46:21 PM)

thank You for the advice everyone.
I just gotta say. . . Um, BondageBarbie- that's WHY if find it appealing, lol. :P thank You anyway though. :)



JRiddle -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/5/2009 8:30:18 PM)

Dog shock collars is one area where some people like to stretch the limits of Safe, Sane, and Consensual. Risk aware consensual kink would be a better description of this type of play.

There are most definitely risks with such devices. The greatest danger is the potential of the electricity interfering with the nervous system and causing the heart to stop beating. This is likely to cause death. How likely this may occur is hard to know. The closer one gets to the spinal column and brain, the more likely interference may occur. How close is too close? This varies depending upon anatomical differences. device output strength, and location of electrodes. Electricity always takes the path of least resistance. The spinal column has low resistance. Therefore, one must avoid having the spinal column in the path. Keeping electrodes below the waist is the normal method to avoid such danger.

The next risk is electric burns. This is caused by the electricity heating up its path as it travels. In extreme cases, this can be a very deep burn tunneled through the body. Electricity can easily cause 4th degree burns by burrowing under the skin layers and burning muscle. This type of burn has a very long and painful healing time. The current causes burns. If the electrodes puncture the skin, the current value goes up, and may attain unsafe levels. Pointed electrodes are not going anywhere near my throat. The surface area and location of the electrodes determine the risk of burns. Larger electrodes spread the current out over a larger area. Greater distance between forces a longer path and further lessens the current. Poor electrode contact greatly increases the risk of burns. Arcing electricity creates very high temperatures.

Another risk worth mentioning is the potential of the electricity to contract muscles with potentially devastating results. Some people have had tendons rip from the strain.. Unexpected movements from the contracting muscles may also cause injuries. Smaller muscles are more susceptible to electricity and are less durable. The throat and neck muscles are much smaller than most of the torso and leg muscles. Best be careful with these. Voltage changes the felt sting of the electricity and controls how much the muscles contract.This is why tazers use such high voltage.

A normal dog collar has the potential to cause all of the above injuries. A malfunctioning shock device is even more dangerous. When will yours go bad? By being aware of the risks and mitigating them appropriately, it may be possible to play with a dog shock collar. More research should be done to help you decide. My research has led me to decide that a dog shock collar is not something that I want to use..



mistoferin -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/5/2009 9:02:19 PM)

I have a 130 lb Chocolate Lab who suffers from seizures and permanent brain damage from the use of a shock collar by his former owners. Just sayin"....



Aszhrae -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/5/2009 9:13:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: artisanstemple

Sir is talking about using a shock collar on me, which I must say I find very appealing. But I was wondering about it's safety. I do trust Him to know what He's doing, but I also just always like to get my own info on things, and also if anyone has any insight or advice that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

. . . btw, how do I change this vanilla cone to something else? tnx. ;)


If you sire is particularly crafty, their is a static device used in massage that can be set to small zaps to repetitive zaps. It can be used safely and is often used in acupressure. Its been years since I seen one but the last time I used one it had been imported from Japan. If he really wants to use such a device upon you. He should look to Japan for such a source. I would recommend he not use anything that is used for animals since their nervous systems are not the same as ours.
Look for medically tested devices to adapt to a collar, not animal tested devices.




T1981 -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/6/2009 6:56:53 AM)

I'm actually glad I read this thread. My husband and I have been tossing around the idea of electric play, and I had seen one of these in a store somewhere.....but now I'm going to pass up on it and just save up for a violet wand! Thanks for the info, guys, VERY useful and VERY good to know all of these!



colouredin -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/6/2009 7:15:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cadenas

- The life of a dog is less precious than the life of a human (at least to us humans).



I would say that this is key, i think shock collars are appaling when used on dogs let alone human beings. Dogs cant really explain what they feel like can they? I totally wouldnt recomend it, electro-play is quite a skilled thing.



tasha_tart -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/6/2009 8:34:00 AM)

I've worn one on my calf on several occasions with no ill-effects.  While that may not be the brightest idea, I'm not crazy enough to wear it on my neck (all right, I was stupid enough to try it once...kinda scary, NOT recommended!).



hardbodysub -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/6/2009 10:27:10 AM)

Why not get one that fits a small dog, and put it on an ankle instead of your neck. That should keep it away from the areas that are most likely to pose safety risks.

Male subs have an even better place to lock a little shock collar.



Catgirl711 -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/6/2009 12:36:30 PM)

There are quite a few very well-respected dog-trainers (Victoria Stillwell of "It's Me or the Dog" for example) who are abhorrently against the use of shock collars.  First they find it cruel, but mostly they find it lazy (on the pet-owners part).

If the well-respected dog trainers find it cruel to dogs (even with their thicker skin and fur) I could only imagine what they'd say about the human usage of them.

quote:

ORIGINAL: cadenas
The life of a dog is less precious than the life of a human (at least to us humans).


I think that depends on who you ask.  I'll take a dog over about 75% of the human population (and that's me being generous).  Then again... I really have no respect for humans either.



whis31 -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/6/2009 4:08:59 PM)

ok, i do have a shock collar that my Master uses on me BUT it DOES NOT GO AROUND my NECK. the shock part has been removed from the collar and that is all we use. Master unscrewed the tips and attached TENS pads to the shock part. the pads are when placed on my shaved outer lips for private punishment in a public place.



VeryNastyDom -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/12/2009 2:39:49 PM)

When it comes to safety, remember that there are two aspects of electricity: voltage and current (amps).  The human body can take a lot of volts, which causes great pain, but relatively little current.  Current as low as 100 milliamps (0.1 amps) is sufficient to stop the heart if applied to the right part of the chest.  Tasers crank out a lot of volts (50,000 roughly) but only a few milliamps, and I suspect shock collars do the same. 

However, absent personally measuring the peak voltage and current possible with a dog collar, I would avoid it.



flyfisher19542 -> RE: safety of shock collars (1/18/2009 8:28:57 AM)

hi - just be careful about doing them so current runs across the heart - if you hook nipple to nipple and do not ground the right way, someone else may write your next email for you.



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