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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

What is done by Israel is DIRECTLY RELATED to what was done to the Jews during the Holocaust. What the Arab nations are doing is nothing more than a continuation of the Holocaust at low level by proxy. Nobody can convince me otherwise.  If my position is irrational and contradictory, so be it.

This whole drama could be over tomorrow if the Arabs leave the Jews alone, and stop trying to drive Israel into the sea. Maybe if the Arabs hadn't started the 6 day war, they wouldn't have lost the land they now lie about being "stolen".

The Genocide against the Jews is unique, despite protestations that Pol-Pot's "Year Zero" and the "Turkification" of the Ottoman Empire are equivalent, not only because of the scope of the Holocaust, but because Germany invaded other nations for the express purpose of ridding Europe of the Jews.

The world decided in 1948 to give the Jews a homeland in the ME. Israel was founded, now exists, will exist, and the murderous shitheads in the Arab world need to get over it.

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ORIGINAL: gman992

All I know is this---when Clinton was trying to broker a peace agreement between Palestine and Israel, Israel said that they would gladly give land for peace as long as the Palestinians recognized Israel. They said no way. Israel then gave up the Gaza Strip as a peace offer in 2006(?), and the Palestinians are using that land to shoot rockets into Israel. So can you trust someone who abuses a peace offering? 

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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

Wow!  Thank God for that!!!!  You know, I thought it was Al-Qaeda, Hezbullah, Hamas, and all those other splinter groups like the ones who attacked innocent people in hotels in Mumbai.  Islamist groups have killed almost 2000 people in the Philippines since 2000, a country that is 95% Catholic.  I guess that other 5% resents going into another country's peaceful setting and religious makeup and decides they can't live with it.
Please, for the love of God, don't blame President Bush for terrorism across the world.  Calling him a war-monger is excusing every terrorist attack on civilians across the globe...

PS - and this is a BIGGIE!!!!!!!!  The first World Trade Center bombing happened during Clinton.  I guess he was a big war monger as well!!!?!?!?!?!

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The skulduggery will be on the way out.

People of good will who love peace(not make pretend peace) ,set about the hard tasks of working out the problems, will be on the way in.

The war monger`s party will be over soon.

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When someone strarts out with "all I know is",they are pre-stating their lack of knowledge and/or their lack of curiosity.It shows close-mindedness and stubbornness.Something that peace making is the polar opposite of. 

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Gaza City - Tens of thousands of Hamas supporters rallied in Gaza City Tuesday to celebrate what the radical Islamist movement ruling the strip termed 'the victory of the resistance against the Israeli occupation forces.'
Source: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1454605.php/Tens_of_thousands_attend_Hamas_victory_rally_in_Gaza__Extra__

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EHRAN, Jan. 19 (Xinhua) -- Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad congratulated Hamas victory, the official IRNA news agency reported on Monday. 
Ahmadinejad congratulated Hamas political bureau chief Khalid Mashaal, on "the victory of the Palestinian resistance in Gaza."
On Sunday, Iran's Islamic Students Society invited Bolivian President Juan Evo Morales and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to Tehran to attend the feast of victory of the Palestinian resistance.
In separate letters sent to Bolivian and Venezuelan presidents, the society invited them to attend the feast which is to be held in Tehran.

Source: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/19/content_10685054.htm 

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

Historical inaccuracy can be added to the above list.  If HK believes that the Nazis' Liebensraum policies were motivated solely by a desire to eliminate Europe's Jewish population he is mistaken.  Wasn't the Wannsee konferenz in '42, three years after Poland was invaded?                                                                                                                          Horrendous as the Shoah, Year Zero or the Maafa may be, they do not justify shooting a child in the head today.

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I ask Roosevelt, I ask the American people: Are you prepared to receive in your midst these well-poisoners of the German people and the universal spirit of Christianity? We would willingly give everyone of them a free steamer-ticket and a thousand-mark note for travelling expenses, if we could get rid of them." (Quoted in N H Baynes, The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, Oxford University Press, 1942, Volume I, pp.727-28)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am loath to respond to your critique of my historical references.  I certainly won't be drawn after this post into the subject of the Holocaust because it has quite limited bearing on the events of today.  Hitler was obviously a pretty sick anti-Semite but ...                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

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I ask Roosevelt, I ask the American people: Are you prepared to receive in your midst these well-poisoners of the German people and the universal spirit of Christianity? We would willingly give everyone of them a free steamer-ticket and a thousand-mark note for travelling expenses, if we could get rid of them." (Quoted in N H Baynes, The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, Oxford University Press, 1942, Volume I, pp.727-28)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I would no more take the offer in 1942 to ship the Jews to America as a negation of Hitler's approval of the Final Solution than I would accept your quote as proof that an actual policy existed.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Your answer is illogical but you seem determined to plunge on.  No doubt in your next response I'll be damned as an anti-Semite, along with everyone who does not long for the same genocidal approach to be used against the Palestinians.  Can you tell me why you think one genocidal act justifies another?  Or why this particular genocidal act, justifies virtually any action being meted out when you do not claim it for other groups?  Is it possibly - and I say this not to offend - your own personal guilt at some unacknowledged anti-Semitism of your own?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This is not about religion, or ethnicity or even about Hamas.  It's simply about living justly and in peace today.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Right, I'm on my way.   I wish you the best.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

NO depleted uranium munitions?

"
JERUSALEM — Israel on Tuesday denied allegations it used depleted uranium munitions in Gaza, accusing the Arab nations that made the report of "particularly poor propaganda."
On Monday, Arab nations asked the International Atomic Energy Agency to investigate reports that uranium traces were found in victims of Israeli shelling during the three-week campaign against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip.
"This is a particularly poor propaganda spin," Yigal Palmor, spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry, said Tuesday. "These accusations have been raised in the past many times and have been proven groundless each time by independent investigators."
Similar allegations were raised after the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Investigations found no proof depleted uranium munitions were used."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090120/ml-israel-gaza-nuclear/

Hamas: "Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!" Hahahahaha [sm=skiprope.gif]

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ORIGINAL: gman992

All I know is this---when Clinton was trying to broker a peace agreement between Palestine and Israel, Israel said that they would gladly give land for peace as long as the Palestinians recognized Israel. They said no way. Israel then gave up the Gaza Strip as a peace offer in 2006(?), and the Palestinians are using that land to shoot rockets into Israel. So can you trust someone who abuses a peace offering? 

When someone strarts out with "all I know is",they are pre-stating their lack of knowledge and/or their lack of curiosity.It shows close-mindedness and stubbornness.Something that peace making is the polar opposite of. 


The story that the Israelis were going to give up this and that and the other thing "if" the Palestinians recognized Israel is a bullshit story.It was way more complicated and involved than something so simple as you described.One example in that "deal", was Israel keeping any land or spot where there was water.Controlling all the water in those regions and hogging it all.

If someone stole my land and then offered back the crap parts without any water, in exchange for letting them keep the rest of my stolen land,I`d say no too.

There`s not a soul on this board who would accept such a "deal".Shame on anyone who would impose such lawlessness on a people,in spite of what god said about it.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Conflating the Holocaust and Arab/Israeli conflict is an ugly dark bit of spin, an insult to and abomination of the memories of those who were victims of the Holocaust.

Just disgusting.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Conflating the Holocaust and Arab/Israeli conflict is an ugly dark bit of spin, an insult to and abomination of the memories of those who were victims of the Holocaust.

Just disgusting.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Conflating the Holocaust and Arab/Israeli conflict is an ugly dark bit of spin, an insult to and abomination of the memories of those who were victims of the Holocaust.

Just disgusting.

If you are referring to me, I suggest you read my posts a bit more carefully. I have conflated nothing.

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What is done by Israel is DIRECTLY RELATED to what was done to the Jews during the Holocaust. What the Arab nations are doing is nothing more than a continuation of the Holocaust at low level by proxy. Nobody can convince me otherwise.  If my position is irrational and contradictory, so be it.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Conflating the Holocaust and Arab/Israeli conflict is an ugly dark bit of spin, an insult to and abomination of the memories of those who were victims of the Holocaust.

Just disgusting.

If you are referring to me, I suggest you read my posts a bit more carefully. I have conflated nothing.

...yes you have, and explicitly.

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What is done by Israel is DIRECTLY RELATED to what was done to the Jews during the Holocaust. What the Arab nations are doing is nothing more than a continuation of the Holocaust at low level by proxy. Nobody can convince me otherwise.  If my position is irrational and contradictory, so be it.

...from your post 280 this thread.

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Conflating the Holocaust and Arab/Israeli conflict is an ugly dark bit of spin, an insult to and abomination of the memories of those who were victims of the Holocaust.

Just disgusting.

If you are referring to me, I suggest you read my posts a bit more carefully. I have conflated nothing.

...yes you have, and explicitly.

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What is done by Israel is DIRECTLY RELATED to what was done to the Jews during the Holocaust. What the Arab nations are doing is nothing more than a continuation of the Holocaust at low level by proxy. Nobody can convince me otherwise.  If my position is irrational and contradictory, so be it.

...from your post 280 this thread.

And just what do you think "directly related" means? Could it possibly mean that what happened to the Jews during the Shoah has led directly to the positions and actions Israel takes today?

Do ya think?