Termyn8or -> RE: Gaza/Israel situation (1/11/2009 1:58:08 PM)
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Kaine, more examples right above. Among the populations you will find the strongest support for Israel in the US, except perhaps in Israel. This is because of an obviously biased media. Look at your own cites, BBC, and Hufflington is known as a populist or alternative news source. As such you find popular support for Israel at a much lower rate in the rest of the world. I have seen the phrase used here - Israel won her indenpence from the Palestinians. Anyone who knows jack shit about the history of the Israel of today knows that is such a spun phrase it is ridiculous. It is like saying the colonists here won their independence from the Natives. Only here would people accept such a phrase. The Israel/Palestinian problem and the colonist/Native problems have differences, but certain similarities. First and foremost is the simplest, two peoples want to occupy the same place at the same time. We solved the problem here with what could be called about a 95% genocide. Those who remain are powerless. Israel is reluctant to do that because of the existence of mass media. No matter how much influence they have on "civilized" governments (AIPAC in the US), ergo media, they are not sure they could keep a lid on something like that. That is the only thing keeping them from killing the Palestinians down to every last Man, Woman and child. And nobody start this "I hate Israel" shit, we did the same thing only worse, and because of the lack of mass communication during that part of history, we pretty much got away with it. I enjoy my land, small as it is, but I know it was stolen. That was long ago, but does that mean I have clean hands ? I am just calling them as I see them. The whole Israel debacle started pretty much in 1948, a very different time than pre-US takeover here. The problem was exaserbated in 1967 with expansionists in Israel, who went so far as to destroy a US spy ship on purpose, the USS Liberty, so that even we, their "best" ally would not see what was going on. More recently Isreal put up a wall, which they call a security fence that causes great hardships for the Palestinians, even deaths. You can find that map on the net somewhere and if you look at it you see that wall is not intended to encourage peace. So basically they want each other dead. Israelis want rid of all Palestinians, and Palestinians must know that they are never going to win, so their only option is to keep the Israelis from being comfortable, as long as they can [live] that is. I think soon the Palestinians will almost all be dead. They will be reduced in numbers to the point they can't even afford one decent bomb, then there will be pax judea. Imagine if we would have left enough Natives around here to attack, to pull McVeighs and 9/11s from time to time. We would be in the same boat. So to all the Israel firsters whio want to get down my throat, don't be ridiculous, I am the pot calling the kettle black, but admitting to same. Wartime is a time of change, and there are predators and there is prey. You kill the prey unless or until they have the ability to kill you. Face up to reality and the world makes alot more sense. Oh, and if anyone thinks I am biased, I could always talk about US atrocities. How about experiments concerning nuclear radiation and syphillis for starters. Documented. There is plenty more. T
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