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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 12:03:51 PM   
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To use your analogy, subtee - Bush was the former spouce - congress was the secretary he started fucking behind your back.  That's not a "they did it to" - that's a "they were both equally responcible for YOU getting shafted."  Just because you formerly Liked "the girlfriend" or even perhaps Still like "the girlfriend" or have significantly more bitterness towards "the ex" in relation to "the girlfriend" - doesn't mean they aren't Both responcible.
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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 1:11:00 PM   
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As I said, the matter was widely reported. 

Curiously enough, not in the media, but only in emails exchanged by RWers, and shows like Hannity's.

Why else would you guys always use the "handed on a silver platter" phrase?  You're just repeating the same bogus info ad infinitum, disproved long ago, by Bush's 9/11 Commission no less.

As I pointed out to one of your cohorts, it wasn't "Sudan" who claimed they had bin Laden, it was one Pakistani named Mansoor Ijaz, who was so unreliable not one government would sponsor his bogus story.

You can't tell the difference between a Middle Eastern nation and a Pakistani businessman?  Don't feel bad, neither can Sean Hannity.



Yep, it widely reported in the "wingnut" media like Hannity, Rush, and the Washington Post who quoted Sandy Berger. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A61251-2001Oct2


Oh Sandy Berger?  Funny how you don't reference the other Washington Post article, the one that's by Sandy Berger:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A63896-2002Jul12&notFound=true

in which he points out the Sudan made no such offer. Funny also how you ignore Bush's own National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9/11 Commission), which concluded no such offer was made, and whose report (you guessed it) agrees with Sandy Berger:

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We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_statement_5.pdf

So cory, both you and Sean Hannity endorse the claims of former officials of Sudan -- a country that the U.S. Department of State has designated as a state sponsor of terrorism every year since 1993 -- rather than the testimony of Clinton administration officials and the findings of the 9-11 Commission.

Got it.



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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 1:14:08 PM   
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You finally got it, Merc. Bush leaving has made patriotism acceptable again. 


Real patriotism, as in "pride in our country and what it represents", rather than the Bush-brand "how dare you criticize the actions of the American government" fake patriotism.

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 1:18:15 PM   
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Because of Bush and his administration's outrageous hubris in deciding that his powers as chief executive could trump the other branches of government in absolute, flagrant discord with the expressed intent of the Constitution, 9-11, and so many other events over the last 8 years will be dissected, discussed, reviewed and commented on...as well they should be.


FANTASTIC as long as simultaneously and with equal venom and disgust we comment on the funding source of those policies - Congress. Without whose titular funding approval, rationalized by agenda based 'pork spending', there would be no troops in Iraq to send home now. Who turned a collective blind eye and accepted the break down of Constitutional Law while individually expressing their disdain. Who was responsible for the oversight which may have prevented the current financial crisis. Who approved the financial institution bail out without accountability. Who sees rewarding failure as a path to outline success. Who was, and is, on the payroll of EVERY special interest group - right or left wing.

YUP - Those things should never be forgotten regardless of the figurehead living in the White House.



And who were directed and led by Republicans for 6 of the 8 years of Bush's pResidency.

Despite the short or delusional memories of some recent posters.

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 1:21:52 PM   
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President Obama graciously thanks bush for his service,... and then repudiated almost everything about bush policy,point after point after point,... to his face and to millions of Americans.



And yet did so in a positive, uplifting manner that probably cloaked the repudiations to many. 

Obama and his speechwriters crafted an amazing inaugural address.  Squashed Bush's failed policies (to the discerning), and then pointed us in a better direction.


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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 2:00:59 PM   
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Here you go.

This is just the first link I ran across.  There are dozens more if you object to the source.

I offered this one because I guessed it was your source of information.  After all, if a conservative talk show host reports it then it must be the truth.


You're providing me with a link to Media Matters?   Yeah, they aren't biased at all.  Also, I guess you believe that everyone not in league with your views must be Sean Hannity fans, right?    It's very typical, and it's a common fallacious argument tactic from anti-Bush folks.  I've never once mentioned Hannity's name here, or any other right-wing media personality.  I don't listen or watch talk shows; I find them incredibly boring.  I also despise Sean Hannity.  As I said, the matter was widely reported.  I'm not going to go chasing down links for you.  Internet links aren't proof of anything, and any junior in a remedial high school social studies class can tell you that.  Oh and yeah, I wouldn't Bill Clinton's cronies if they said grass was green. 


Ummm, as I said, if you look above, this was the first link I ran across.

There are literally dozens more, from all manner of news sources, even conservative sources, discrediting the story.

I know you are obviously a very busy and important person who doesn't have time to waste on the internet.

Maybe though, you could have some of your underlings chase down those links for you.  You know, some internet links are actually from well-respected news organizations.  When you get a break in your busy schedule you might want to look into it.

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 2:15:57 PM   
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Lets give Obama the chance Bush was never given....


I am so tired of hearing this whining nonsense from the conservative media, and parroted faithfully here, that Bush was never given a chance.

The whole country, as well as much of the world, was solidly behind Bush after 9/11.  He had huge approval ratings and almost unconditional support from the public and Congress.

He has only himself to blame for squandering that with poor decisions and general ineptitude.

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 2:44:19 PM   
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The whole country, as well as much of the world, was solidly behind Bush after 9/11.  He had huge approval ratings and almost unconditional support from the public and Congress.

He has only himself to blame for squandering that with poor decisions and general ineptitude.
NO QUESTION! From the rubble of the Towers, I sure took a big gulp of that kool-aide. I also can't tell you what it felt like to see him on the mound of Yankee Stadium a few weeks later. Impossible to imagine at the time, that the hole in lower Manhattan would still be there, serving as a representation the US image as well as its current economic condition. 

However, you should add stubbornness and an agenda to revenge his father for Saddam taking away his opportunity for his father's 2nd term. Few seem to remember that factor as being key and one of the back-room essential reasons for the rationalizing an invasion of Iraq.

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 3:48:40 PM   
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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:02:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		MS, unlike you and ex-President Bush, many of us here can tell the difference between "capacity"/"programs" and "actual WMD's". 

Your ex-President started a war based on the WMD lies.  Educate yourself and pay attention, and you might learn from his (numerous) mistakes.

(or not...)

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:13:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		And obviously your EX president, Clinton, had a thing for Saddam too... And a lot of other Dems.  Seems more like the Dems had it out for him as much as Bush did.

By the way, did you read all of the quotes, or did you stop at one?
Perhaps you should educate yourself a little too.

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:19:40 PM   
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You finally got it, Merc. Bush leaving has made patriotism acceptable again. 


Real patriotism, as in "pride in our country and what it represents", rather than the Bush-brand "how dare you criticize the actions of the American government" fake patriotism.


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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:28:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Uh ........................corysub I think your replying to the wrong person. But I'll comment on the last part of your post.  Bush has  had more than enough opportunity to "get it right" and to do the right thing. I never expected perfection out of him nor do I expect it of Obama or any other leader. I do expect more than we got when he was governor of Texas and certainly more than we got from him as President of this country.

I think after working on the crap left him Obama just may be the man to do that.

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:31:49 PM   
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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:32:19 PM   
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And obviously your EX president, Clinton, had a thing for Saddam too... And a lot of other Dems.  Seems more like the Dems had it out for him as much as Bush did.

Not quite.  Unlike your ex-pResident, Clinton didn't start a war on that basis.


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By the way, did you read all of the quotes, or did you stop at one?
Perhaps you should educate yourself a little too.

Uh, no need...you RWers have been sending 'em around for a long time...they're old news.



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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:33:38 PM   
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Speaking of fake patriotism..... is kittinSol even american?



What a laughable implication...that only Americans can be patriotic. 

You people are sad.


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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:37:02 PM   
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I can only hope Obama has another crisis like 9/11.  And then we'll see if he cowars like Clinton did.

Edited before my ass gets handed to me


This is one of the most offensive postings I have ever read on these boards.

For the US servicemen while separated from their families and loved ones and serving, this is offensive.

For those who have died and those who are grieving the loss of those who have died, this is offensive.

For every decent, law-abiding Muslim who has faced persecution, prejudice and attack since 9/11, this is offensive.

For those journalists and the media who have been sent and assigned to report on such events, also risking their lives, this is offensive. This includes the journalists and photographers who have been killed, maimed, wrongfully imprisoned and attacked.

From my perspective far too many people have already died, too many people have had their lives shattered and have had to cope with terrible injuries, too many people are serving in hostile or dangerous circumstances. Too many people are worried sick about loved ones who are serving in such places.

We don't need any more.


well said Stella. The only thing i do not agree with is "one of the most offensive postings I have ever read"

It is THE most offensive posting i have ever seen on this or any other site.


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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:39:40 PM   
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And you? For all I know, you could be a heavy-set moustachioed man from Albania :-) . 

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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:42:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well according to the dictionary:  Patriotism is commonly defined as love of and/or devotion to one's country.

So yes, that is what it means... unless she's patriotic to her own country.



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Speaking of fake patriotism..... is kittinSol even american?



What a laughable implication...that only Americans can be patriotic. 

You people are sad.



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RE: Just out of curiousity - 1/21/2009 4:43:26 PM   
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Speaking of fake patriotism..... is kittinSol even american?



What a laughable implication...that only Americans can be patriotic. 

You people are sad.



I was talking about this very subject with one of the women at the inauguration party yesterday... she was telling me how Bush tried to redefine patriotism, and how this made her circumspect about her own country.

I agree with her; and I think the dying barks of the pro-Bush people only make me like America even more :-) .


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