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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:01:55 PM   
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I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?


My car refuses to start for anyone who doesn't have the key.



oh hell... I can hot wire the bitch...believe me... the slut will move for me!!!! 

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:03:11 PM   
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We all know what the literal definition of the word means, but word meanings change over time or vary among groups. So clearly a BDSM-slave is NOT the same as a slave from times past -- thankfully, may I add. But they can both still be called slaves.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:06:06 PM   
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i dont really need to read the responses to this question. i know the answers already given, because i know most of the posters here, and i also have a familiarity to the OP's tone in his responses to things.

Over the course of this last year, i have been characterised as a selfish bottom, an attentionwhore, a submissive and a slave...or someone with a slave' heart..whatever the fuck thats supposed to mean...~weg~ But i have never had the pleasure of being considered in the same catagory as someone's car...

While owning a car might be gratifying in that, if properly maintained, will just sit in the lot/driveway and go when the owner says go and stop when the owner says stop...but the car wont hold the owner when he cries over the death of his family member, or jump up and down and clap when the owner accomplishes something meaningful to him. The same car that goes and stops at the whim of the owner, will also cease to do those things regardless of weather or emergent need if the engine goes.

Slaves have requirements because slaves are people.

With all due respect, and with admittedly little information based in fact of the OP, i daresay that his views on this lifestyle render him consistently single and miserable. i am not trying to be snarky, im simply tired of being reminded that there actually are men out there who bemoan the humanity of their partners...or lack thereof.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:06:20 PM   
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oh hell... I can hot wire the bitch...believe me... the slut will move for me!!!! 


KoM, if you have a tool that reaches all the way to Portugal from Canada.. I HAVE to meet you! lol


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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:07:33 PM   
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Fine, 'own' your consentual slave all you want. BUT by the literal def . of a slave, they are NOT a slave-they are a submissive. AGAIN I ask, were there any conditions attached to 1800s slavery? The fact that it's illegal in the USA today is irrelevant-it does not change the dictionary def. of what a slave is. Not to mentiuon that BDSM is illegal in much of the world-and slavery is still legal in parts of the world too!




As pointed out earlier, variations to a relationship between people whether it's Owner/slave,  Master/slave, Sir/boy or whatever is not defined by what's found in a dictionary.

And what the hell is wrong if a person desires to call themselves a slave or submissive or even a piece of fuckmeat?  I have every right to call myself a sub or even  a white assed honky manlover in just the same way that Sari has the right to call herself a masochistic pain loving wench.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:08:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: masterforRT

I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?


My car refuses to start for anyone who doesn't have the key.



oh hell... I can hot wire the bitch...believe me... the slut will move for me!!!! 


Mmmm...ill betchu can, Big Daddy....le sigh....

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:08:46 PM   
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Historically, unowned cotton pickers were free blacks and it was against the law to make them slaves randomly. Frequently overlooked but still against the law. Therefore your logic is still flawed - an unowned person is free and there can make choices.

Unowned slaves were not slaves. Slave that hadn't been bought were owned by their slavers/the army who conquered them. Which country/village have you conquered to acquire your unsold slaves?

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:09:29 PM   
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oh hell... I can hot wire the bitch...believe me... the slut will move for me!!!! 


KoM, if you have a tool that reaches all the way to Portugal from Canada.. I HAVE to meet you! lol



You know what can I get in on that too

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:09:50 PM   
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I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?


My car refuses to start for anyone who doesn't have the key.



oh hell... I can hot wire the bitch...believe me... the slut will move for me!!!! 


*chucklesnorts* Is that a kin to giving the car a roofie?

I know.... my bad.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:15:36 PM   
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oh hell... I can hot wire the bitch...believe me... the slut will move for me!!!! 


KoM, if you have a tool that reaches all the way to Portugal from Canada.. I HAVE to meet you! lol



Remote start???

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:17:04 PM   
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Remote start???


It's like a wireless egg....

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:18:34 PM   
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More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.

Get a life or hire a maid..or no..they could say no to something...buy a robot ........or a blowup doll..but then of course you'd have to blow it up so I guess that would diminish your dominance...heh..just buy a robot


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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:19:04 PM   
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feydeplume, sorry but that guess doesn't really make much sense. Since when would anyone who doesn't agree with this guy want to look at the man's profile anyway?


Maybe they needed a laugh? I looked just to see how old he was.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:20:40 PM   
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More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


What's the point of serving someone when your own needs will never be met....we're all in it to have certain needs met and not a lot of people have the desire to be a doormat and nothing else.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:20:45 PM   
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i KNOW i am pointing out the obvious here, but so have many others so far. There is actually more than one definition of "slave" historically. History didn't start in the United States and slavery certainly didn't start with cotton plantations. So if the OP wants to argue what makes a slave a slave and what rights they have, then we first have to find an historical definition that we can all work from. Me personally, I use the definition told to me by Leathermen in S.F. (or by the boys and dogs since they didn't often speak to females of any age or status) when it comes to slavery in the present day U.S. for non forced or tricked immigrants and natives. But since that is a narrow definition (already expanded to include my sex) and doesn't agree with the definition used by Goreans, lots of the Heterosexual BDSM crowd or in use in other countries for consentual sexually charged submission, well then we have to find one that we can use for the purposes of this thread.

By the U.S. historical definition, i don't believe anyone with two "white" parents can be a slave. Ever. Nor anyone without the appropriate papers from now defunct companies....


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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:21:49 PM   
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More and more, I see people who call themselves slaves claiming that they only want women...or men...or couples. I have always believed that slaves are property, just like a house or a car. I don't see my car refusing to start for only one sex-so how can a slave make any decision as to who owns them?

The definition of slave from Answers.com is as follows:  
"One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household."

Property....right?

I'm interested in what the rest of you think.


What's the point of serving someone when your own needs will never be met....we're all in it to have certain needs met and not a lot of people have the desire to be a doormat and nothing else.

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:23:05 PM   
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By MasterforRT's  thinking, unowned slaves are simply unclaimed property, and should be at the mercy of anyone who desires to claim them, with no say in the matter of who claims them. 

I find this thinking to be entirely disturbing. 



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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:41:05 PM   
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The origonal as written slavery term that you speak of from the 1800's is illegal. It is banned in many Western countries, ours included. So we can not use that exact term along with WIITWD. It simply does not fit.

Just as Gay used to mean Happy, Words change. Hell, Fagot is a small peice of wood, but that term changed as well.

Now when you say some one is Gay, you first think they are homosexual. Not merely in a happy state of being, and gleeful. The termonoligy has changed.

In SMBD and D/s the term slave is generally understood to mean one of consentual ownership. In our modern age the old time Slavery is seriously frowned apon, and outlawed. So We know that when slave is mentioned this old term is not the one ment. ~ It being illegal and serously against the TOS.

As to the inherant worth issue.. by refering to a slave as having the worth of a peice of property or a car the inferred conclusion is that they are less worthy then another non slave human being. You did not have to come out and state this. It was inferred. ( Damn those critical thinking courses in College )

Modern day *consentual slaves* do give the gift of their submission it is theirs to chose to give, ours to chose to accept. It can not be taken with out being offered first. ~ Since the 1800's definition of slavery is null and void in the West in our times.
However if you go over to Asia, and some other places overseas people will gladly sell you another person. It is just not a reality in the BDSM accepted culture of the West to literialy buy another human being, or capture them. No matter how many of the Gorean books one reads. ~ I do not know if you are Gorean, but the capture of free range slaves is an idea expressed in the Gor books. It again lacks the consentual aspect that is the embodiment of what it is that we do in our BDSM D/s culture.  

As to my questions and observations it was an honest question. I am in school now to become a psychologist. Human behavior and thought patterns are always an interest to me.

I honestly can not think of a way that a person would want someone who honestly did not want them.

To me this would apear as someone with either very poor social skills, obsessive or someone who has a dissocial personality disorder. These are the same personality traits and types that turn out to be rapists, and commit other serious crimes.
It was a serious question.

I do not chose the flame others on the boards. I might ask some uncomfortable questions. But I in general do not flame.

Hopefully this posting will help you to understand others stances on "slavery" in our community.

Gwyn

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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:46:45 PM   
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I have said it before.. but it bears saying again... I just  you guys!

*many hugs*

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Bear ya know I love you too... you big ol handsome peice of fuckmeat. *chuckles* Ok.. I couldnt say that with a straight face. *snickers*

Gwyn

Gwyn....I never said that!!!!!!



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RE: Slaves with requirements... - 1/21/2009 3:47:33 PM   
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I think the OP is challenging the use of the term... as it's actual definition does not apply to it's practical use...

If my above statement is accurate... I completely agree with him...

I agree comparing BDSM "slaves" and slaves in the historical sense is like comparing apples and oranges... and I would have to disagree with anyone who called their apple an orange...

When people use a common term for their alternatively created use, they are sure to create a lot of misunderstanding. I'm quite open about my lifestyle and have been judged by friends and family because of other people misusing common terms and making exaggerated claims/statements... I wish we could all use plain English to express ourselves accurately...

But that takes me back to what my grandfather used to always say… shit in one hand wish in the other… see which one fills up faster…

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