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JustDarkness -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 12:55:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Oh, dont worry. We'll save you.



I'm curious as to why so many Americans seem to think like this. What is it about the indoctrination of the American education system that leads so many to this conclusion? Luscious, I'd suggest you save yourselves before you even begin to think of saving the world. From where I'm standing, you have work to do.



there is a good docu called "the power of nightmares". It mentions that question too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares
It is from the BBC




Aneirin -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 1:06:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: piratecommander

Well , I've been here 3 days in Florida Aneirin and haven't been shot at once , I will try not to get lost or stop to piss on any Yanks whilst I'm here though.

I thought at first they were giving me funny looks because of my cute accent ...... then GT pointed out that It might be the ink , handcuffs ........ or just that I'm a sexy bastard they can't keep their eyes off (but then,she is biased)

Pirate


Has Greedy got a gun, if she has, there's time yet.

'Ere, wots all this about skirts, taffs don't wear skirts.




Politesub53 -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 2:57:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: colouredin

no Luscious they didnt try. They never wanted to invade Britain.


Oh so the bombing by air doesnt count?


The air war was won by the RAF and not America. Your remark about saving us is offensive, considering we lost half a million people fighting Hitler. You should be ashamed to use the Jewish people in an argument about guns in UK. It does both you, and them , a disservice.




ALAstella -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 3:26:31 AM)

Something just struck me here...If the American pro-gun lobby are saying that they need guns because other Americans might have them, then what they're actually saying is that they need guns to protect themselves from other Americans who are doing the same.

Here in the UK there's not many Americans we need protecting from. So we don't need guns.

Oh and the way I see it you can have all the guns you like, but it still won't protect you from someone's stupidity. Crime statistics back up my argument here I feel.




GreedyTop -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 4:53:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Americans are more concious of "Freedom" it would seem than our English cousins.


...and yet, even in the US there is a debate on what freedom actually means. It is said that, 'your freedom ends where mine begins'. So, freedom isn't necessarily complete freedom, if freedom is to be available to the maximum number of people there needs to be a limit on it.
The UK has made the decision that the right to bear arms is on one side of the line, the US has decided on the other. It doesn't mean that either culture is more or less free....both consider themselves cultures defined by freedom. It's about a mismatch in what both cultures define freedom to be...


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lusciouslips19 -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 8:48:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ALAstella

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ORIGINAL: blacksword404

4 men with guns break in and me without my gun is safer for me? How so? I should not have my gun because they might be quicker on the trigger than me?



You might be safer, you might not. The situation has various outcomes and each outcome carries with it a risk. As you've assumed that the 4 men have guns I don't see how you would be any safer with a gun, as you would still be outnumbered.

Let me give you another example here. I live in South London on the fringes of a district called Stockwell, which together with neighbouring Camberwell and Peckham has a dangerous reputation. This is no different I guess from the dangerous neighbourhoods of most US cities. You've got your homies, your hoodies, your gangs, your drug dealers (some of my neighbours deal), your knives and your guns. This is an area apparently (I can't remember where I read the source) which is more dangerous statistically than similar areas in downtown New York. It doesn't matter that much I guess, because we're talking about similar districts which you find in cities in the UK, the US, and all over the world.

But my point here is I can walk out of my apartment any time, night or day, and go about my business, and I don't need to have or own a weapon to protect myself.

I protect myself in other ways. I don't go to certain ATM machines to withdraw cash, I don't flash any cash, flaunt a cellphone, wear expensive jewellery, when I'm out late at night or in a more isolated part of the neighbourhood I keep moving, I stay out of trouble.

Sure, there's always an outside chance I might get attacked, just as there's an outside chance you might get your home burglarized by criminals, but then again I might get caught up in a road traffic accident, I might have a heart attack..

Life is unpredictable. Having a gun doesn't make it any more predictable.



All you say is true and anyone living in an urban area should use common sense. Criminals prey on the weak. So I walk with strength. Of course no one can control everything. I also dont own a gun. I also feel very safe when with Warden who is a responsible gun owner who is the most level headed person I know. He also took me shooting one day at Targets with hand guns. He showed me the safe way to load them hold them and shoot them. I faced these guns with respect and a healthy fear. But I was glad to feel the power of being able to protect myself if I ever had to. The thing is to normal people taking a life would be the worst thing imaginable even if we were protecting ourselves. I would do it to save me or my family. Or a human being. Not my property or anyone else's property. But I would do what I had to. That is something I know for certain. Especially after seeing the Holocaust movie that just came out titled Defiance. What would you do to protect your people, your country and your life? These questions are real to me because even though world war 2 was 70 years ago, it could have been me. There are also hated and persecuted people everywhere ala Bosnia/Croatia and also Darfur. I am not so naive to think that these atrocities could never happen again.




rulemylife -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:18:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild


Well, what evidence do you have? You're spouting just as much as the rest of us in here. If you have a site that says it's better to not have a gun when being invaded, I will read it. It's not something I see to much down here in Houston.



No, what I am saying is that the whole "home invasions" story is an urban myth propagated by the NRA and then spouted off by their loyal followers.

The so-called "home invasions" that do occur are generally the result of domestic disputes or drug deals.

So, as long as you don't have a disgruntled spouse and you aren't selling crack then I'm pretty sure you are safe.






lusciouslips19 -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:22:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: HalfShyHalfWild


Well, what evidence do you have? You're spouting just as much as the rest of us in here. If you have a site that says it's better to not have a gun when being invaded, I will read it. It's not something I see to much down here in Houston.



No, what I am saying is that the whole "home invasions" story is an urban myth propagated by the NRA and then spouted off by their loyal followers.

The so-called "home invasions" that do occur are generally the result of domestic disputes or drug deals.

So, as long as you don't have a disgruntled spouse and you aren't selling crack then I'm pretty sure you are safe.





Do you have documentation to prove that?


Edited to say: i guess having a disgruntled spouse I should get my head blown off? Do you know how many abused women who leave their spouses get killed? Restraining orders dont do a thing. That alone would be enough for me to want a gun.

http://www.asafeplaceforhelp.org/batteredwomenstatistics.html




rulemylife -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:31:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

You know what? I just came from a movie in which some of my people(the jews) took to the forest and protected themselves and did what they had to to survive. They learned to kill people.

So if you have had all your guns taken away from you and your country is invaded what will you do to protect yourselves?



Well, we haven't been invaded since 1066 - some may say that's because England really isn't worth the trouble, but that's an altogether different matter. The Germans, however, had a crack at us in 1940, but didn't fair particularly well and had to shelve the invasion plans (we did enough despite the fact that the public were not armed with bazookas).

It's like I said in an earlier post, this is a moderate nation devoid of paranoia - we simply do not believe that other nations want to destroy us. You're projecting a very American view of the world: "they're all out to get us" onto another people that simply don't think like you in this regard. What's that saying about walking in another man's shoes.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Oh, dont worry. We'll save you.



I'm curious as to why so many Americans seem to think like this. What is it about the indoctrination of the American education system that leads so many to this conclusion? Luscious, I'd suggest you save yourselves before you even begin to think of saving the world. From where I'm standing, you have work to do.


Because you are forming your opinions based on a small group of Americans you have contact with.

Most of us do not think like this.




kittinSol -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:35:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Do you know how many abused women who leave their spouses get killed? Restraining orders dont do a thing. That alone would be enough for me to want a gun.


Guns for brides [8D]!




rulemylife -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:36:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Do you have documentation to prove that?


Edited to say: i guess having a disgruntled spouse I should get my head blown off? Do you know how many abused women who leave their spouses get killed? Restraining orders dont do a thing. That alone would be enough for me to want a gun.

http://www.asafeplaceforhelp.org/batteredwomenstatistics.html



Uh?????????????????????..............no................that was why I mentioned that as an exception.





missturbation -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:39:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Do you know how many abused women who leave their spouses get killed? Restraining orders dont do a thing. That alone would be enough for me to want a gun.


No i have no idea but i'm betting in comparison to the number who don't get killed it's pretty low. Not saying that makes it ok but it doesn't justify having a gun either.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:42:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

You know what? I just came from a movie in which some of my people(the jews) took to the forest and protected themselves and did what they had to to survive. They learned to kill people.

So if you have had all your guns taken away from you and your country is invaded what will you do to protect yourselves?



Well, we haven't been invaded since 1066 - some may say that's because England really isn't worth the trouble, but that's an altogether different matter. The Germans, however, had a crack at us in 1940, but didn't fair particularly well and had to shelve the invasion plans (we did enough despite the fact that the public were not armed with bazookas).

It's like I said in an earlier post, this is a moderate nation devoid of paranoia - we simply do not believe that other nations want to destroy us. You're projecting a very American view of the world: "they're all out to get us" onto another people that simply don't think like you in this regard. What's that saying about walking in another man's shoes.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Oh, dont worry. We'll save you.



I'm curious as to why so many Americans seem to think like this. What is it about the indoctrination of the American education system that leads so many to this conclusion? Luscious, I'd suggest you save yourselves before you even begin to think of saving the world. From where I'm standing, you have work to do.


Because you are forming your opinions based on a small group of Americans you have contact with.

Most of us do not think like this.



Battered women is a small group? Thats laughable that you believe that. You probably think assaulted women and raped women is a small group too.

Lucky for you, you have the security of being born a man.




philosophy -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:44:37 AM)

.....i'm fast coming to the conclusion that you've just had a really bad week or so. i hope things get better for you soon.




GreedyTop -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:46:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Do you know how many abused women who leave their spouses get killed? Restraining orders dont do a thing. That alone would be enough for me to want a gun.


Guns for brides [8D]!


I'll take a 9mm, thanks...




missturbation -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:48:53 AM)

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Lucky for you, you have the security of being born a man.


Men don't suffer from spousal abuse or get raped?




lusciouslips19 -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 9:57:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Do you know how many abused women who leave their spouses get killed? Restraining orders dont do a thing. That alone would be enough for me to want a gun.


Guns for brides [8D]!


Well I would like to think I made better choices of partners to not end up abused. I have never been in an abusive relationship. But if I was in danger from an abuser who was stalking me and my life was in danger....abused women are in the most danger after they leave the abuser. I would get a gun and protect myself.




missturbation -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 10:01:27 AM)

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Well I would like to think I made better choices of partners to not end up abused.


Wow !!
Well done you. Wish i'd have known that's how simple it was !!




rulemylife -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 10:09:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


Battered women is a small group? Thats laughable that you believe that. You probably think assaulted women and raped women is a small group too.

Lucky for you, you have the security of being born a man.


That's not what I said.

You're misinterpreting things.




Raechard -> RE: britain wants guns back (1/25/2009 10:13:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
Do you know how many abused women who leave their spouses get killed? Restraining orders dont do a thing. That alone would be enough for me to want a gun.

How many? Tell me as a percentage, someone must know! These figures would also ignore the many women that were shot dead and didn’t report it.




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