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ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 11:32:54 AM

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having a fairly interesting discussion with someone on another forum about this

people with ADD, like myself and this person on that forum, think all the time. our brains just run a mile a minute. its how we're wired. we constantly daydream. many ADD people are artists which is understandable. I'm a writer and a DJ. not a second passes that our minds are blank. its been this way all my life.

my first subspace experience was very deep. It felt exactly like dying and going to heaven and returning. It was such ecstasy I cant capture it in words, but the writer in me will desperately try.....

It was such a height of euphoric emotion. Not just in my heart but I could feel the emotion all through me. It was flight, soaring flight. I was lost completely, and I just drowned, and it slowly faded into darkness.

Then I guess - I guess I lost consciousness? I really dont know. I cant remember anything after that.

On this thread people commented they'd never experienced it on that level. And then someone said it felt the same way, and he/she was ADD, and I was too. And that its the only time we can ever stop thinking, and as such, it is way more intense for us.

Do you agree with this theory?

RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 11:35:50 AM

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Not ever having experienced subspace I can only liken it to smoking a really good bowl.

That is the only time my brain can really focus on one thing at a time.

The upside to ADD.........I am never ever bored! Not to mention, I can usually multi-task like crazy. Because I have to.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 2:09:44 PM

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On this thread people commented they'd never experienced it on that level. And then someone said it felt the same way, and he/she was ADD, and I was too. And that its the only time we can ever stop thinking, and as such, it is way more intense for us.

Do you agree with this theory?

Hmmm... that's definately something to think about. I have ADD and I love being in subspace. If I get pulled out, I'm very cross and tend to crash hard with so much bad feelings and thoughts swimming through my head. It's possible there is a loose connection or it could be just a neat little coindinence.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 2:10:19 PM

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I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you claiming that someone with ADHD/ADD experiences a more intense subspace than people without that can experience? How could you tell? Because you only know your experiences and you always have your problems. Now if there were a way to temporarily cure you, and you then experienced subspace you could then compare your ADD subspace to a nonADD subspace. But there would always be other variables that might be causative.

BTW I'm ADD, non hyperactive and not at all artistic. My father, a retired CEO also is nonartistic and ADHD. So I don't see any relationship between artistic talent and ADHD. The only relationship I have ever seen is that artists claim that having an artistic temperment excuses them from being required to do what normal people do. Like keep their word, support their ums, pay their bills etc. And neither being an artist, having a brain chemistry disorder, or both excuses them from being responsible adults. I find they can only trade on it for so long before they are persona non grata with all the poor muggles they have been using.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 2:17:40 PM

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I am an artist that is surpressed by working, paying bills and all that other really fun stuff. Not all artists are flakey ne-er do wells. And SOME, are lucky enough to actually make a decent living with their art.........lucky bastards.

And no, I don't think ADD and art go hand in hand. I also think ADD and ADHD are over diagnosed.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 2:37:07 PM

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I think that undivided divine focus is what some chase (Be it through sub space or other means) and of which many can understand the appeal regardless of attention-differences. :>
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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 2:47:56 PM

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I've never been diagnosed ADD, but what you described, I have been through, have felt and yes it's very difficult to find the words to adequately describe it, I've tried. I'm not so sure ADD intensifies subspace based on my own experiences with it. The duration and intensity of the play and the trust and connection with the top seem to be the combination that determines if I hit subspace and how far I fly when I do.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 4:27:51 PM

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i am adhd and i had a similar experience as the op. my first trip to sub space was very deep and felt like a out of body experience to me. at the time i was off my meds and i think it allowed it to be more intense. now i am on meds and i do still get to space just not as deep on the plus side i don't get drop. as a nurse i have noticed a high percentage of kinksters that seem to or are diagnosed with a brain chemical difference. this is based solely on my limited experiences. as far as how those of us who are adhd it may depend on the type of add that we have as determined by the spect scan pioneered by Dr amen in cal. he has determined 6 sub types of add by brain scan and medicine effectiveness. i agree with the theory on add persons having a different experience than non add persons.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 4:36:20 PM

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I've just always heard that most ADD people have some creative flair. It isnt determined by their condition. I guess because they just need to express all the thoughts they have......I dont know.

For me, I always have a million thoughts in my head, and while in subspace I am able to stop thinking and enjoy a feeling, and that so rarely happens to me. Thats why I think its intensified for us, its a release from constant brain chatter! (I love my chattering brain and wouldnt have it any other way btw)

Des, I dont know. I really dont. I'm not making any claims. Just asking if the forum is of the opinion there could be a connection.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 4:43:59 PM

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I know what you mean about being able to stop thinking and enjoy in subspace *grin*. I'm always thinking and mentally dissecting things and coming up with ideas to write down or type up and save, and worrying about things and on and on. It's so great to just be able to zone out into pleasure and wink out for awhile.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 4:50:08 PM

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Not ever having experienced subspace I can only liken it to smoking a really good bowl.

That is the only time my brain can really focus on one thing at a time.

The upside to ADD.........I am never ever bored! Not to mention, I can usually multi-task like crazy. Because I have to.

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Not ever having experienced subspace I can only liken it to smoking a really good bowl.

That is the only time my brain can really focus on one thing at a time.

The upside to ADD.........I am never ever bored! Not to mention, I can usually multi-task like crazy. Because I have to.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 6:26:05 PM

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Great post, and it's one I can relate to. Diagnosed Adult ADHD several times in my life, but medication is an unwise idea for me (I do pretty well controlling it through diet)....and one of the reasons why subspace is such an incredible thing for me is BECAUSE my brain finally....freakin.....shuts....up!!!!

Then again, that's probably true for most subs when they hit subspace - could just be a human thing....(I've met plenty of Type A personality people who site the same reasons for pursuing sub space, so that makes sense too)

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RE: ADD and subspace - 1/27/2009 6:31:30 PM

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I'm guessing ADDers could experience that type of state of consciousness in many other forms if they tried- either through drugs or practice, just like non-ADDers.

But I have heard from many ADDers that they enjoy scene headspace because it does give them that freedom of focus that they don't get elsewhere.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 4/13/2009 3:02:38 PM

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Oh, I just don't want to think about my emotions as symptoms. But if you do, then: enjoy your symptom.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 4/13/2009 3:12:02 PM

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quote:

The only relationship I have ever seen is that artists claim that having an artistic temperment excuses them from being required to do what normal people do. Like keep their word, support their ums, pay their bills etc. And neither being an artist, having a brain chemistry disorder, or both excuses them from being responsible adults. I find they can only trade on it for so long before they are persona non grata with all the poor muggles they have been using.

That was a bit of a generalization and negative, don't you think? wow.

I am mildly ADD and not artistic but can be somewhat creative, I work, pay bills, and YES multi-task because I makes me crazy not to. Sub-space was a welcome retreat although I do not claim it to be more or less intense than anyone else's subspace. I do know that it is one of the few times I can sink and feel free of thoughts. The first time i came out of it, I couldn't talk in a complete sentence for almost an hour.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 4/13/2009 3:21:12 PM

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i am ADHD, left handed, and an artist when the mood strikes. i have never experienced the deep level of sub space others have talked about...

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RE: ADD and subspace - 4/13/2009 3:23:55 PM

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For me, I always have a million thoughts in my head, and while in subspace I am able to stop thinking and enjoy a feeling, and that so rarely happens to me. Thats why I think its intensified for us, its a release from constant brain chatter! (I love my chattering brain and wouldnt have it any other way btw)

ADD has never been made part of my diagnosis, but they admit I have some disorder that hasn't been correctly identified yet (that's in addition to Tourettes and Asperger). I know what you mean about the million racing thoughts all the time. I agree that just making that quiet for a little while is an intense experience that people with 'normal' brains probably can't relate to. I'm 44 and have only had that happen three times in my entire life. All three occations were after extremely intense sexual experiences.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 4/13/2009 4:16:40 PM

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I have a son that has ADHD and I too feel that I am ADHD as well. We both have the same personalities, multi-task easily just to name a couple of things. Hell yes, we even get on each others last nerve! lol
When taking him (as a youngster around the age of 10) to have him checked by a great female Dr. she ask Me "what I wanted from my son?"...which I said 'ya know, I want him to BE NORMAL... like the other kids are.' These are her exact words: What is normal for one person... doesn't necessarily mean... it is normal for another...so there is NO such thing... as being 'normal.'
After giving this much thought...I must say, that I agree with the Dr. 100%.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 4/13/2009 7:16:34 PM

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That was a bit of a generalization and negative, don't you think? wow.

Yes it was a generalization, and highly negative. Chalk it up to knowing too many people who wanted to be artists, actors, musicians and didn't want to have to pay their dues, and their own bills. Turned me off of the arty crowd while still young.

Had I ever met artists who worked bussing tables to support their painting, and spent their free time painting instead of drinking and drugging, I probably wouldn't feel this way.

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RE: ADD and subspace - 4/13/2009 7:55:30 PM

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I am one with a racing mind. I don't know that it is ADD, just an intense and easily provoked set of nerves I suppose. Play takes me to deep and intense places. Can't add any more than that at this point though.

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