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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/12/2006 7:40:45 PM

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I believe veronica's 'care and feeding' is largely based on an almost martyr-like need to continually shout on the rooftops that he is the exception to the rule and has no needs or desires for affection, sex, romance or S&M. His desire/need to be unique, special is so great that he has to constantly put himself on a pedestal as a self-less sub.

In reality, he's getting a lot in return. He gets room & board (while he may hand over his check, it's not much money), use of the computer, and "something to do" rather than log onto a public library terminal day after day and complain about how all femdoms are out for money.

I think someone else pointed out that we "get it" when it comes to veronica's deal. We have heard it a hundred times. We've heard the "IyamwhatIyam" rant and "I am one of a kind" and "**I** have no needs" on average of 3 - -5 times a day . We get it. We heard you. Would he be enjoying it if he were not able to log on here and constantly seek attention for it? Doubtful.

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I think Veronica is the real deal and I don't see any need to harangue him for being forthright and somewhat proud. The truth is, he's one of a kind, and frankly, there is something superior in that. IMO, Veronica does not "put himself on a pedestal as a self-less sub," because he's rather selfish about no one fucking with him, living a life of some utility, having some albeit minimal companionship, and calling his own shots in his own perfect way. Its almost like he's living in a reclusive, rebellious, libertarian, red neck, Americanized version of Remains of the Day. If he sticks to his craft, any sensible DOMME will let him set up shop almost anywhere in the world he choses to live. That's quite a chunk of freedom for a house slave.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/12/2006 7:53:49 PM

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If he sticks to his craft, any sensible DOMME will let him set up shop almost anywhere in the world he choses to live. That's quite a chunk of freedom for a house slave.

The problem is that he feels a need to

a) repeat who he is and what he's into constantly

b) repeat who he is and what he's into in a deragatory way to others who are not the same as he

c) become very rude and defensive towards anyone who says anything but total agreement with him

All of those are clear signs of issues that Akasha stated in as concise and clear a way of saying.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/12/2006 8:06:33 PM

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i duuno Ma'am... just the way it came out...a lot of the do-me boys are just...taken for granted...we all know about that.
Ya aint implying dommes do...do Ya?
or is it girlie subs?

either way.....

i have no truck with it.

take care

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/12/2006 8:07:11 PM

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he76y aakasha..
for sone that is all mouth..what in holy shit would you know?
ya aint never had a livein./..ya aint never gonna have one..
you and my wives are nothing BUT mouth./..

get a clue..
you are such a fake it smells from HERE...........

if you had a clue ...you'd wise up.
that hubby of yours cant love ya too much if he cant be your boy...huh?

stick it up your ass...you talk out of it anyway.

Such class. I haven't been called a "fake" in a long time, it's kind of nostalgic.

You must be a joy to be around with your demeanor. You have an awful lot of bitterness in you. I hope you can find a way to escape that. It's bad for your health.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/12/2006 8:08:51 PM

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had YOUR way i would be dead anyway..as if YOU give a flyin shit huh?

according to YOU......................only YOU know it all....YOU should a god...huh?

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/13/2006 12:39:45 AM

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The problem is that he feels a need to

a) repeat who he is and what he's into constantly

b) repeat who he is and what he's into in a deragatory way to others who are not the same as he

c) become very rude and defensive towards anyone who says anything but total agreement with him

All of those are clear signs of issues that Akasha stated in as concise and clear a way of saying.

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so tell me WHY that is a problem? if i bother you..dont read it.
and what YOU call rude "I" call not taking any shit..
at least "I" have backbone...something very very few male subs/slaves HAVE now-a-days...they all forgot their manhood...
i retain my citizen rights...i paid MY price for it overseas just so other people have their freedom TO get on here and have the chance to call ME names and say "I" am not human..
where did all these other people EARN their rights like "I" did?
i have never had anything GIVEN to me in my life..."I" earned it!

can YOU say that?

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/13/2006 4:35:08 AM

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i retain my citizen rights...i paid MY price for it overseas just so other people have their freedom TO get on here and have the chance to call ME names and say "I" am not human..
where did all these other people EARN their rights like "I" did?
i have never had anything GIVEN to me in my life..."I" earned it!

can YOU say that?

By this logic then, no woman has the right to speak up, as women are still banned from active combat duty.

::shrug:: Well, I suppose I've seen you say much nastier misogynist things before.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/13/2006 7:59:28 AM

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Its not becoming to nickel and dime another's point.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/13/2006 8:25:11 AM

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Hey, everybody, maybe we could get back to the TOPIC?

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/13/2006 10:54:09 AM

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LadyMorgynn, Very well said. Who really is interested anymore? Enough!! It still is a very good topic

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/13/2006 2:26:03 PM

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and NOT actually be a 'Mistress' to them (if that makes sense). <
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please explain...

what is being...to YOU?
sex? s/m? love? what?
WHAT is a mistress in YOUR view please?

Hmmm, I missed this one. Its a little too tangled to explain and you of course are the exception to everyone else's rule. Most of us need a something more that a few crumbs off the table, given as some sort of generous gift. We want the things you don't: love, touching, a relationship, sharing, romance, discovery, adventure, etc. Jasmyn, pointing this out like it was some sort of revelation that needed explantory emphasis, well that was just priceless, not unlike some Russian Lord opining that the serfs might need food and care before laboriously bringing in the harvest.

O!! I'm not going into definitions. We all have experience, dictionaries, and a background in the English language. Put another way, you sort it out, I'm not up to it. I'm content to stand on my original words right smack dab in the middle of the unwashed masses who foolishly believe our dreams and hopes might come true.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/13/2006 10:54:00 PM

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I agree with Padraig and sunshine.

This situation lays entirely at the Dommes feet. Along with the power of authority comes the responsibility of hte position. It's her responsibility to understand exactly what level the relationship (in whatever form) stands upon.

This means it's her duty to understand what the subs needs are as much as what hers are. In this case, her needs were to have errands and duties run and his were (aparrently) the personal contact and direct interaction.

The good part of it is though, that I bet the sub learned a lot more about what he wants, and since MHOO's friend is obviously trying to figure it all out she is learning as well. They'll both be better off for hte experience I'd bet.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/14/2006 3:03:45 AM

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Wow, what a education that thread was.
Thankyou all for the experience.
Peppered with bullshit it may of been, but there was so much i gained from reading the relevant parts. And some unexpected knowledge of how people operate at times here, being the other golden nugget to store.
I feel that i understand the motivation to serve only from reading this post, more so than i had prior. Thankyou.
Having a SOS, is something i think i would like, wouldnt we all?
But from the outset, it did indeeed sound as if the Domme may as well of left a note on the fridge door!
If she were that lazy, she could of just had him come over in the evenings to clean around her in the house, something! But no, nothing.
Operant conditioning at its best. You can extinguish a behaviour by not re-inforcing it.

again, thanks
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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/14/2006 5:31:35 AM

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Just a note of clarification, there is an assumption that there was no interaction which is not correct--She had him drive her on many of the errands, the others were lists of to dos--and the day he cleaned---she was there the entire time. Several times throughout the relationship. she did indeed ask him if he was happy, if this is what he had in mind (to avoid the very thing that happened--his response was " I am owned and I am happy" he even asked Her if he could run errands for Her friends as part of his submission to Her--which would indeed (if he did need the closeness) take him away more. It was a very odd situation that seemed to simply blow up the first time he was chastised for not following orders.

And yes at least from Her perspective, this has been a huge learning experience.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/14/2006 5:33:35 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: veronicaofML
so tell me WHY that is a problem? if i bother you..dont read it.
and what YOU call rude "I" call not taking any shit..
at least "I" have backbone...something very very few male subs/slaves HAVE now-a-days...they all forgot their manhood...
i retain my citizen rights...i paid MY price for it overseas just so other people have their freedom TO get on here and have the chance to call ME names and say "I" am not human..
where did all these other people EARN their rights like "I" did?
i have never had anything GIVEN to me in my life..."I" earned it!

can YOU say that?

At no point did you earn the right to decide what is right, true, best or appropriate for anyone but yourself. At no point did you earn the right to be free from repercussions or responses for your apoplectic fits. Of course it is your right as a citizen to call people names and say abusive things. It is also their right to consider you an asshole for doing so.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/14/2006 6:05:57 AM

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It was a very odd situation that seemed to simply blow up the first time he was chastised for not following orders.

And yes at least from Her perspective, this has been a huge learning experience.

Well there you have it. Seems this guy doesn't like to be pulled to the carpet for what he does/does not do. This might have been him testing himself on a new level of submission. Without knoeing him, noone can ever really say.

As for not checking the references, well, if she had the time to search, had the time to correspond, had the time to meet and talk with this guy then she had the time to check his references. If she didn't want to make the time, well, she can't blame anyone but herself. At least this didn't turn into a "worst case scenerio" and she is going to learn from it.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/14/2006 6:42:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

It was a very odd situation that seemed to simply blow up the first time he was chastised for not following orders.

And yes at least from Her perspective, this has been a huge learning experience.

Well there you have it. Seems this guy doesn't like to be pulled to the carpet for what he does/does not do. This might have been him testing himself on a new level of submission. Without knoeing him, noone can ever really say.

As for not checking the references, well, if she had the time to search, had the time to correspond, had the time to meet and talk with this guy then she had the time to check his references. If she didn't want to make the time, well, she can't blame anyone but herself. At least this didn't turn into a "worst case scenerio" and she is going to learn from it.

Yes! Truer words were never spoken and I have to say She has learned a lot from this thread and personally I did as well!

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/14/2006 6:58:16 AM

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Just a note of clarification, there is an assumption that there was no interaction which is not correct--She had him drive her on many of the errands, the others were lists of to dos--and the day he cleaned---she was there the entire time. Several times throughout the relationship. she did indeed ask him if he was happy, if this is what he had in mind (to avoid the very thing that happened--his response was " I am owned and I am happy" he even asked Her if he could run errands for Her friends as part of his submission to Her--which would indeed (if he did need the closeness) take him away more. It was a very odd situation that seemed to simply blow up the first time he was chastised for not following orders.

And yes at least from Her perspective, this has been a huge learning experience.

I assumed there was more than what had been posted, but I can only respond to what is written.

Couple of possible causes for that might have been that he wasn't really happy but was trying to convince himself he was. Its part of the exuberance a lot of submissives will exhibit early in a new relationship... they try extra hard at everything, they're happy about everything, and they work very hard to convince themselves everything is perfect... even when it isn't. During that period I actually try to calm them down a bit and interject a bit of reality, it takes patience to handle it though. If you don't slow them down they'll burn themselves out trying to hard to over achieve. Its an area where the dominant really has to step in and manage things, keep the pace and the requirements realistic and not too demanding. You literally have to protect the submissive from themselves.

The other possible cause (and this is not mutually exclusive it could have been some of both), is that this particular submissive may have had some insecurities or unresolved issues that suddenly came to the surface when he was corrected. I had that happen with one girl once... things were going great until one day I corrected her for not obeying properly and the next thing I knew she's hiding under a blanket crying. She just fell apart very suddenly. I hadn't been harsh with her but it was a case of circumstances being just right to trigger her and set her off, suddenly her own insecurities overwhelmed her. Took quite a bit of talking, hugging and reassuring her to deal with that situation. Eventually she settled down, accepted being corrected and thing went on... but it took awhile for things to get back to normal.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/14/2006 8:31:47 AM

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At no point did you earn the right to decide what is right, true, best or appropriate for anyone but yourself.

*********oh? explain then, why it is everyone seems to feel it is okay to tell ME..."I" am wrong for what "I" do? again it's 2 sets of rules, huh?

At no point did you earn the right to be free from repercussions or responses for your apoplectic fits.

*******and neither does anyone else just because they CALL themselves a-domme.....huh?
2 sets of rules again.

Of course it is your right as a citizen to call people names and say abusive things. It is also their right to consider you an asshole for doing so.

***oh but it's okay for assholes to jump MY shit w/o being provoked just because I say what is truth and they cant handle it..
2 sets of rules again.

so far all i hear is a lot of mouth..
just like YOU..........jumping my shit and I never said a word TO you..did I?

2 sets of rules.

ALL MOUTH and not one word of substance..
JUST BECAUSE ...I post about being...SERVICE only...
people jump MY shit..because they aint adult enough to handle something not mainstream...because I wont kiss their ass..
THAT IS BULLSHIT and YOU know it..

now if YOU got something worthy to add about SERVICE ONLY...please do..
there are SOME folks trying to discuss the issues..

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back to the beginning
i still say...yes...
it is part the domme's fault and part that boy's fault.
it takes two...to dance.
She didnt check things out far enough and he was getting in too deep w/o knowing what he was doing...

ya cant just talk the talk..ya gotta be grown up enough to walk the walk.
unfortunately not all people are familiar with what can go wrong...or when...or how...or why.

EVERY situation is different.
i am sorry this Lady had SUCH bad time...She didnt deserve it.
but neither did that boy.
he just got in too deep too soon.

take care if ya can.

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RE: Service- Be careful what you ask for - 1/14/2006 11:18:59 AM

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Anger managment, look into it. Seriously.

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