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SimplyMichael -> Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 12:54:49 PM)

I KNOW I am not alone in feeling this way but I am going to lay out why some of us ONLY want a strong powerful independent opinionated picky selective and even arrogant woman for our submissive partner.

Many dominants like myself have the power to dominate meetings, people we meet on the street, situations, business deals, gun fights, or whatever. Doing so is an adversarial contest, one we tend to win by browbeating, overpowering, force of will, or whatever else it takes.

(note, I am not alone in this but the rest is written in first person for clarity)

I DO NOT WANT AN ADVERSARIAL CONTEST WITH MY PARTNER

In order to do that, I need to know that she has the strength to say no to me, to look me in the eye and when she says "yes", even if it is only by not saying no, that I have not overpowered her but that she has freely chosen to submit to my will.

How else would I feel safe to venture into the very dark places I long to explore. I want to turn her world upside down, blackmail her, violate her, force her to do unspeakable things, train her to respond and crave acts that I could not speak of in public.

I would not, I could not, feel safe going there with someone whom I might break, or who might do it because she couldn't say no to me. I need to know that no matter how hard I force her, push her limits, violate her, that she retains the willpower, the emotional strength at her core to say "no, I am not ready" or even "not tonight Sir"

The sort of dominants I speak of want to explore the dark with someone who is capable of keeping up with us. We could easily convince some weaker woman to do those things but at some point, those dark acts would break her. We don't want to break someone, it is not a challenge to us, it is the kinky equivalent of taking candy from a child, of picking on the weak.

I want to walk with a lioness on the end of my leash, one fully capable of ripping my head off. There is the excitement, there is the challenge, and there lies MY goal, my partner, my woman.




crouchingtigress -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:02:36 PM)

woof!!!




antipode -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:07:50 PM)

quote:

I am going to lay out why


What brought this on? I know it takes all sorts, but I knew that well before you wrote this.




MsFlutter -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:17:08 PM)

<wild applause>
 
well said - I LIKE !!




MidMichCowboy -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:22:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I KNOW I am not alone in feeling this way but I am going to lay out why some of us ONLY want a strong powerful independent opinionated picky selective and even arrogant woman for our submissive partner.

Many dominants like myself have the power to dominate meetings, people we meet on the street, situations, business deals, gun fights, or whatever. Doing so is an adversarial contest, one we tend to win by browbeating, overpowering, force of will, or whatever else it takes.

(note, I am not alone in this but the rest is written in first person for clarity)

I DO NOT WANT AN ADVERSARIAL CONTEST WITH MY PARTNER

In order to do that, I need to know that she has the strength to say no to me, to look me in the eye and when she says "yes", even if it is only by not saying no, that I have not overpowered her but that she has freely chosen to submit to my will.

How else would I feel safe to venture into the very dark places I long to explore. I want to turn her world upside down, blackmail her, violate her, force her to do unspeakable things, train her to respond and crave acts that I could not speak of in public.

I would not, I could not, feel safe going there with someone whom I might break, or who might do it because she couldn't say no to me. I need to know that no matter how hard I force her, push her limits, violate her, that she retains the willpower, the emotional strength at her core to say "no, I am not ready" or even "not tonight Sir"

The sort of dominants I speak of want to explore the dark with someone who is capable of keeping up with us. We could easily convince some weaker woman to do those things but at some point, those dark acts would break her. We don't want to break someone, it is not a challenge to us, it is the kinky equivalent of taking candy from a child, of picking on the weak.

I want to walk with a lioness on the end of my leash, one fully capable of ripping my head off. There is the excitement, there is the challenge, and there lies MY goal, my partner, my woman.

quote:

Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them


Amen, brother, amen.




girlygurl -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:26:32 PM)

Roar/purrrrrrrrrrr Thank you Michael, I enjoyed reading your post. I ask my Sir to read it as well. He also agreed for the most part and enjoyed it as well.




strangedesire -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:33:55 PM)

*cheers*




T1981 -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:35:39 PM)

Add me to the list of stark admirerers for the OP! 




KatyLied -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:37:41 PM)

quote:

There is the excitement, there is the challenge, and there lies MY goal, my partner, my woman.


If only there were more like you, not afraid to man up and take a strong, opinionated submissive.




LaTigresse -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:38:58 PM)

Only one thing I would add......

Sometimes those that would appear to be a lioness are in fact only covering up great insecurity and weakness.

Sometimes those that would appear to be a meek rabbit or doe, are in fact, so amazingly strong.

I used to only look for the lioness and ignore the quieter rabbits and does. I found quite by accident that there is alot to be said for a quiet strong little rabbit. Her strength and submission would shame many that would mock her. Her dedication and devotion are amazing. many little lionesses ran at the first sight of my claws and teeth, yet a little rabbit stood and said, "destroy me if it pleases you", even when I tested her. Now I keep an open  mind and appreciate each for their own unique qualities.




came4U -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:44:43 PM)

quote:

I want to walk with a lioness on the end of my leash, one fully capable of ripping my head off. There is the excitement, there is the challenge, and there lies MY goal, my partner, my woman.


very nice.

But, as katy said:
quote:

If only there were more like you, not afraid to man up and take a strong, opinionated submissive.


Many men HAVE in profile they do not want a doormat yet want a STRONG submissive but when it comes down to it 99% don't really mean that.  When it comes down to it they backtrack at the slightest equal or corrective conversation and play the victim  'you cannot be submissive, you don't automatically adore me' game.  They truly want a bimbo who wouldn't notice just how weak they are and assume throwing in the 'I want a strong woman' bit makes them 'appear' more masculine.  It doesn't.

Hallelujah OP.




SwimGoldfishSwim -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:45:28 PM)

i must admit i adore the OP now too

But LaTigresse has a very good point -applauses-




chicagoswitch -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 1:53:21 PM)

I usually stay in the shadows, reading, not posting.  I have always appreciated Michael's point of view on most topics.  Today, I think even more highly of him.  It is a shame that more men (not even Dominants) are not willing to make room in their lives for strong, intelligent and opinionated women.




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 2:43:33 PM)

I can agree with most of what you said. I just don't think I'd try to dominate anyone in a gun fight. Army taught me that. [:)]




littlewonder -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 3:38:07 PM)

I don't know...I am always up front in the fact that I'm not always strong. There are quite a few times when I'm weak and I have no problems admitting that.

I like to think I'm a nice balance of both weakness and strength and that the man I'm with has moments of weakness as well because he's human and I want the entire package, a nice balance.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 3:44:34 PM)

little, nobody is strong all the time.  I spent this weekend in rather a sorry state.  I went to a play party and the only thing I did was let a dear friend indulge me with a long affectionate massage.  I needed to be touched, to be cared for.

Strength is not about always being strong, glass is hard but brittle.  It takes strength to admit weakness and to genuinely own it.  I am far from perfect, just ask BSB.  I am good, some places I am really REALLY fucking good and in others I suck.

But again, that is why I need a strong partner because sometimes I need to draw on my partners strengths. 




cjan -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 3:53:13 PM)

You're right, Michael. You are not alone in feeling like this. I have to wonder, though, with all due respect, why you feel the need to thump your chest and proclaim it .




Sexycelticlady -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 4:05:52 PM)

Well said Michael and LaTigresse.

I think a strong person needs a strong partner, someone to be a companion on the journey, who is capable of maintaining the energy flow between the two individuals without becoming a drain. Strength can be found in many areas. Some people lash out and maintian a mask of strength as their way of dealing with issues, others admit and come to terms with their own weaknesses so that they can work on them and have no fear of letting others see who they really are, both the good and bad. I know who I consider to have more strength.




oceanwynds -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 4:08:48 PM)

Excellent post Michael.

I do totally agree. Sir and I spoke of that in the beginning of our relationship. Strength comes in many ways, and always a plus to carry it.




Knite064 -> RE: Strong Subs and the Men Who Love Them (2/8/2009 5:07:25 PM)

Hello SimplyMichael
I have met only two women in my life that for me describe what you write yet both from opposite ends of the spectrum. One i had a long relationship with and the other a friend i greatly admire and would be with but for a practice she enjoys that is outwith my scope of the acceptable(which perhaps adds a dark excitement in knowing her)

The latter girl is very much a slave in her heart that accepts a child Domina lives inside her that may grow or may not but this girl can silence a room when she enters and pity anyone laying the claim of Dominant in her presence if she detects the slightest weakness or deciet from them....a lioness on a leash?yes i would describe her thus.

The first girl i menioned came to me from a very vanilla kink based background and she was sweet,polite, well mannered and most importanly quietly confident in herself.
I could break down the details but suffice to say i have never met a stronger female in my life and i remain in awe of her to this day.

Both these ladies have played very different parts in my life but both have also made me by just being who they are have a desire to grow and develop as a human being.

I do wish you luck in your search and you describe very well what so many seek and who knows where we will find her!

Be well






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