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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/10/2009 6:27:01 PM

corysub

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I have not only gone down to the "food bank", I cooked for the church's mens shelter that was built in a minority area with terrific harrassment from the "democrat" powers that be since we were taking care of THEIR welfare clients. We were only able to get a certificate of occupancy after we threatened to go to the Newspaper and expose what was going on in town.
Yea.. I've been to food banks and "clothing banks" and have seen the "money that people in the poverty programs make".. You have no idea, do you, how rich people are getting off the poverty programs. Motels that would be condemed are "rented" totally by welfare agencies to house clients...given only a hotplate to warm Potstickers..and $200 or more "a day". Don't tell me about the poor and how they are manhandled by the "system"...can't get a job because they don't have an address...have to live in cars...mom's and babies...fuck those "do good" liberals who study theory and juggle statistics but have no idea how people are suffering.

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/10/2009 6:42:39 PM

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The amount killed was only suppressed by the time the attack took place. If it occurred a couple hours later then you would be talking about tens of thousands killed.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch

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ORIGINAL: Cagey18

Let's evaluate these two "fear" scenarios, shall we?

Chances of terrorism affecting you or your loved ones: Damn near zero

Oh bullshit, I knew two people that were supposed to be in the WTC that day. One called in sick. One was supposed to be on the top floor of the first tower hit at 8am. His habitual 2 hour lateness saved his life.

You might want to visit Manhattan sometime, there's still a big hole there, it's not a figment of W's imagination.

population of the US in 2001: 278,058,881 (July est.)
Number killed on 9/11 by the attacks 2998 (excluding the hijackers)
chance that any one person in the US would be killed on 9/11: 0.00001
Now I only have a B.S. in Mathematics but a one/thousandths of one percent chance is pretty damn zero imo.

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/10/2009 6:44:21 PM

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The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor created around the same amount of casualties.

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ORIGINAL: Cagey18

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
population of the US in 2001: 278,058,881 (July est.)
Number killed on 9/11 by the attacks 2998 (excluding the hijackers)
chance that any one person in the US would be killed on 9/11: 0.00001
Now I only have a B.S. in Mathematics but a one/thousandths of one percent chance is pretty damn zero imo.

Ooh, facts. No no no, rightwingers hate those. Anecdotes and rants only please, preferably copy-and-pasted from the stuff they email each other.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/10/2009 7:42:37 PM

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Let's see... Obama goes before a general audiance of residents, to talk about the stimulus, and why it's needed now. Thus, he is accused of dealing in "the politics of fear."

Bush, on the other hand, only spoke in front of carefully hand picked audiances, and told us all how the next "smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud." This, after LYING in the State of the Union about yellowcake unrainum sales to Iraq from Africa. I repeat: THAT WAS A LIE.

The Bush administration also turned a blind eye to a scientist in a Washington DC government lab who was responsible for mailing anthrax to his enemies.This was proven because the particular strain of anthrax had genetic markers which proved it came from one particular facility, which had a very short access list to the material. The reason they sat on the truth: to spread unreasoning fear through the American populace and to be able to pin it on Iraq.

The Bush administration came up with the "terror color code" That way, they could crank up the fear at home with just a news bulliten.

The Bush Administration, just before a mid-term election which could have ended the Iraq war early, saving over 2,000 American servicemen's lives, spread the rumor that some major terrorist act was being planned. We were all told to buy duct tape and plastic sheeting.

Gosh, I can see your point. Being warned that the mess might get worse if we just keep delying DOING SOMETHING about the economy hemmoraging jobs, and spiking the housing crisis, causing business to close in an ever widening spiral... well, I guess that's just irresponsible.

Unlike the sane, careful pronouncements that Bin Leiden was coming to nuke Bugtussle, N.C., and spread bioweapons in every grade school across the nation.

Just what kind of kool aide is the Borg Collective (the GOP) drinking these days?

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/10/2009 8:09:06 PM

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My point is that the recession is not partisan and neither is the fear and anxiety among so many people. Most of us know people who have been laid off and/or lost their homes or are waiting to find out if they survive the next round of lay offs and budget cuts.

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/10/2009 8:33:22 PM

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Let's see... Obama goes before a general audiance of residents, to talk about the stimulus, and why it's needed now. Thus, he is accused of dealing in "the politics of fear."

Bush, on the other hand, only spoke in front of carefully hand picked audiances, and told us all how the next "smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud." This, after LYING in the State of the Union about yellowcake unrainum sales to Iraq from Africa. I repeat: THAT WAS A LIE.

The Bush administration also turned a blind eye to a scientist in a Washington DC government lab who was responsible for mailing anthrax to his enemies.This was proven because the particular strain of anthrax had genetic markers which proved it came from one particular facility, which had a very short access list to the material. The reason they sat on the truth: to spread unreasoning fear through the American populace and to be able to pin it on Iraq.

The Bush administration came up with the "terror color code" That way, they could crank up the fear at home with just a news bulliten.

The Bush Administration, just before a mid-term election which could have ended the Iraq war early, saving over 2,000 American servicemen's lives, spread the rumor that some major terrorist act was being planned. We were all told to buy duct tape and plastic sheeting.

Gosh, I can see your point. Being warned that the mess might get worse if we just keep delying DOING SOMETHING about the economy hemmoraging jobs, and spiking the housing crisis, causing business to close in an ever widening spiral... well, I guess that's just irresponsible.

Unlike the sane, careful pronouncements that Bin Leiden was coming to nuke Bugtussle, N.C., and spread bioweapons in every grade school across the nation.

Just what kind of kool aide is the Borg Collective (the GOP) drinking these days?

You have either been taking everything on the "Daily Kos" as if it were true...or just enjoy making up statements that bare no resemblance to truth. Actually, accord to articles in the media, Bush was not lying about possible sales of yellowcake to Iraq. Of course you would think that the newspapers that carried this story were owned by neo-cons but actually it was in the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html Before you attack someone and call they a liar, your should really check the facts. It can make you look silly and just full of sound and fury...but not much else. And where did you get that rediculous story about President Bush "turning a blind eye to the guy spreading anthrax"?? Tell me the truth, you are really kidding. Certainly you are not getting your information from Salon.com or The Center for Media and Democracy.

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/10/2009 8:36:54 PM

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My point is that the recession is not partisan and neither is the fear and anxiety among so many people. Most of us know people who have been laid off and/or lost their homes or are waiting to find out if they survive the next round of lay offs and budget cuts.

I agree with you there. An empty stomach doesn't know or care about democrats or republicans.

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/11/2009 1:40:39 AM

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Just what kind of kool aide is the Borg Collective (the GOP) drinking these days?

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/11/2009 4:55:21 AM

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New home sales in December Down 14.7% from November...housing starts down 15% down from November off 45% for the year....now YOU do your homework....same sight...

Yes same sight, still proves your statement as wrong, you said and I quote NO ONE IS BUYING. if sales of existing homes are up 6 % and pending sales are up 5.X %, then that means the some one is buying?
and your statement is false.

Ok, so according to the all knowing Cold Warrior there is no housing crisis!....I will alert the media!
Everyone remain calm....it is all a farse....you read it here first folks!
You are kidding right?....

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/12/2009 4:11:54 PM

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The GOP'ers need to realize that as tragic as 9/11 was, it happened eight years ago, and it is wrong for the Republican party to use the fear of terrorist attacks to get their way.

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RE: "Between Barack and a hard place" the po... - 2/12/2009 7:24:36 PM

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Why is it when information to a Republican president is wrong he is lying? However when the same type of situation occurs to a democrat president it’s just a mistake.
If you want to find Borg Drones look at an Obama rally. Not just the people are Borg drones but the Obama fan media groupies too. None of them ever question the Borg queen...Mr Obama ;)
The moment one person with individual thought asks a slightly hard question the Borg drones go in for the attack requiring the Borg queen to hold them back.
The one hard question was about all the tax evaders in Obama’s cabinet.

Oh and a known BORG DRONE was responsable for obama becoming US senator and later president.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5299924/
Sex scandal from outer spaceJack Ryan's lesson: Don't even think about messing with the Borg

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ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire

Let's see... Obama goes before a general audiance of residents, to talk about the stimulus, and why it's needed now. Thus, he is accused of dealing in "the politics of fear."

Bush, on the other hand, only spoke in front of carefully hand picked audiances, and told us all how the next "smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud." This, after LYING in the State of the Union about yellowcake unrainum sales to Iraq from Africa. I repeat: THAT WAS A LIE.

The Bush administration also turned a blind eye to a scientist in a Washington DC government lab who was responsible for mailing anthrax to his enemies.This was proven because the particular strain of anthrax had genetic markers which proved it came from one particular facility, which had a very short access list to the material. The reason they sat on the truth: to spread unreasoning fear through the American populace and to be able to pin it on Iraq.

The Bush administration came up with the "terror color code" That way, they could crank up the fear at home with just a news bulliten.

The Bush Administration, just before a mid-term election which could have ended the Iraq war early, saving over 2,000 American servicemen's lives, spread the rumor that some major terrorist act was being planned. We were all told to buy duct tape and plastic sheeting.

Gosh, I can see your point. Being warned that the mess might get worse if we just keep delying DOING SOMETHING about the economy hemmoraging jobs, and spiking the housing crisis, causing business to close in an ever widening spiral... well, I guess that's just irresponsible.

Unlike the sane, careful pronouncements that Bin Leiden was coming to nuke Bugtussle, N.C., and spread bioweapons in every grade school across the nation.

Just what kind of kool aide is the Borg Collective (the GOP) drinking these days?