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watersports safety - 2/10/2009 8:25:14 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090211/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_bolivia_urine_therapy

im not talking about whether its sterile or not, although that is a risk, im talking about the chemicals in it that make it dangerous

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RE: watersports safety - 2/10/2009 9:10:51 PM

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With regards to the story you linked to, there's no way to tell what chemicals, other than those that are naturally found and/or expected, might have been in the suspect urine. Since nobody seems to be able to find the source of the urine there's no way anyone can make a determination. Did the source urine contain trace amounts of unmetabolized prescription medications? Were there any "recreational" drugs found in the urine? The article doesn't specify.

Personally I do not engage in watersports. I sometimes take medications that may or may not fully breakdown within my system, leading to the possibility of trace amounts of those medications, or some chemically altered derivative, to be present in my urine. I do not wish to expose anyone else to that possibility nor do I wish to be exposed to the urine of others for that reason.

Watersports, much like other bodily fluid exchanges, should be done with great care, IMHO.

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RE: watersports safety - 2/11/2009 10:19:43 AM

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I didn't look at the link. There are no chemicals, of which I am aware, that are in healthy urine that should be problematic (As long as you're not flooding your system with it, in which case, any liquid could be an issue).
Things that can be in urine that could be a problem:
**Bacteria and viruses (Including, but not limited to STI's/STD's)
**Drugs (Prescription or recreational)
**Alcohol
There may be others that aren't coming readily to mind. Do you have a specific concern or just curious?
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RE: watersports safety - 2/17/2009 7:17:56 PM

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Does water sports involve injecting urnine? Urine on the skin or oral should only be a bacterial concern. Injected in the blood stream seems to be a highly risky proposition.

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RE: watersports safety - 2/17/2009 9:18:27 PM

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As long as the 'giver' is healthy it's perfectly safe. Just keep asparagus off the menu.

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RE: watersports safety - 2/18/2009 6:37:29 PM

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Sappatoti hit it spot on. Any time bodily fluids are exchanged, great care and prior consideration need to be observed. Urine, in general, is sterile and safe, but that's only in general. If someone has a UTI (in which case, you'd have to be a serious masochist to partake in watersports O.o) or takes drugs legal or otherwise, all bets are off.

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RE: watersports safety - 2/20/2009 3:43:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sfortzando

Sappatoti hit it spot on. Any time bodily fluids are exchanged, great care and prior consideration need to be observed. Urine, in general, is sterile and safe, but that's only in general. If someone has a UTI (in which case, you'd have to be a serious masochist to partake in watersports O.o) or takes drugs legal or otherwise, all bets are off.

Urine is only sterile and safe as long as it is in the body and for the "owner" of the bladder... though as long as the giver is healthy and not taking any medication or drugs, it is possibly one of the less riskier activities....

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RE: watersports safety - 2/20/2009 6:40:37 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Sfortzando

Sappatoti hit it spot on. Any time bodily fluids are exchanged, great care and prior consideration need to be observed. Urine, in general, is sterile and safe, but that's only in general. If someone has a UTI (in which case, you'd have to be a serious masochist to partake in watersports O.o) or takes drugs legal or otherwise, all bets are off.

Urine is only sterile and safe as long as it is in the body and for the "owner" of the bladder... though as long as the giver is healthy and not taking any medication or drugs, it is possibly one of the less riskier activities....

As LC states urine is only sterile so long as it is in the person's bladder and that said person has no disease or infection. or drugs in their system. Urine though is a perfect bacteria breeding ground once out of the body. So if the person/doctor collecting the urine does not follow strict sterile protocol there person recieving the urine will get hurt.

2nd item:
Urine while sterile does contain protien chains. While being injested, stomach acid and other body filters will break down these chains down and prevent many constitutes from ever getting into the blood stream. While I am not a doctor, If injected directly into the blood stream, I could see mnay serious medical issue with this.

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RE: watersports safety - 2/21/2009 9:07:03 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urophagia says drinking urine is both a form of alternate medicine and commonly done in some non-Western cultures.

shorn has also been told it will stop nettles stinging.

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RE: watersports safety - 2/21/2009 9:11:55 AM

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http://www.slate.com/id/2100652/

It's also been used to toughen baseball players' hands. Hmmm, wonder if that was only because of the steroids used then?????

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RE: watersports safety - 2/21/2009 10:17:05 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urophagia says drinking urine is both a form of alternate medicine and commonly done in some non-Western cultures.

shorn has also been told it will stop nettles stinging.

It's people drinking their own urine... Never really heard that drinking somebody elses urine is used in alternative medicine. A friend of mine actually did it and she said it helped with some sort of eczema she had, though she didn't drink it but washed the skin with it, the natural healer who recommended it as therapy stressed that she has to do it straight after passing the urine.
Think about it like wine, in a closed bottle it's fine, once you open the bottle you expose the contents to the air and bacteria in the air, also the air will react with the wine - in a closed bottle (or in the bladder) nothing else will react with it, but if you pour it into a bowl and keep it at room temperature, it will spoil in relatively short time.

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RE: watersports safety - 4/5/2009 8:04:49 PM

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Unless there are specific metabolites from medicines taken, to which you would have an adverse reaction (or an infectious disease), it is perfectly safe.

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RE: watersports safety - 4/5/2009 8:47:33 PM

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This is a fast reply. i have drunk a past Dominant's (healthy) urine and also my own for Him, and both were perfectly fine, i had no adverse reactions. i would not inject it into the bloodstream though. As NYlass said, please keep asparagus off the menu!!

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RE: watersports safety - 5/2/2009 5:51:23 AM

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I love watersports! My personal favourite is waterboarding, you should give it a try- safe family fun for everyone :)

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RE: watersports safety - 5/2/2009 4:27:55 PM

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Like any other bodily fluid, be sure of its origin. Diet maks a big difference in taste.

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RE: watersports safety - 5/7/2009 4:41:45 AM

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I love watersports! My personal favourite is waterboarding, you should give it a try- safe family fun for everyone :)

What has waterboarding got to do with drinking piss? You would need an awful lot of piss to dunk her head in it.

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RE: watersports safety - 5/7/2009 5:54:04 AM

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It's people drinking their own urine... Never really heard that drinking somebody elses urine is used in alternative medicine. A friend of mine actually did it and she said it helped with some sort of eczema she had, though she didn't drink it but washed the skin with it, the natural healer who recommended it as therapy stressed that she has to do it straight after passing the urine. Think about it like wine, in a closed bottle it's fine, once you open the bottle you expose the contents to the air and bacteria in the air, also the air will react with the wine - in a closed bottle (or in the bladder) nothing else will react with it, but if you pour it into a bowl and keep it at room temperature, it will spoil in relatively short time.

Topical Urine Therapy is done in three ways: 'fresh Urine', 'Aged Urine' and 'Boiled Urine'. The practioner emphasized that your friend should use it strait away because she was prescribing fresh urine therapy.

When I use Topical Urine Therapy, I use Masters Urine, because I am diabetic, and I do not think that spilled sugar (which occurs in the urine of diabetic sometimes), would be a good idea on an open wound on a diabetic. But that is just my own judgement coming to that conclusion, other than that, I have never heard of Urine therapy using anything but one's own urine, either.

Oh, wait, I have, in one other instance - there is an old folk medicine cure for a childs ear infection that involves pouring into the ear the fresh first morning urine of a pregnant woman. I don't know how much it helps the infection, but the estrogen helps the pain, so the child usually stops screaming.

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RE: watersports safety - 5/7/2009 6:33:01 AM

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I would assume that in case of "aged urine therapy" the urine is aged under certain conditions and not left somewhere open as the ideal breeding ground for bacteria. If you think about the fact that people collected urine left it standing for ages for the chemical processes to happen, and then used it to bleach leather, even without getting into medical discussions, it doesn't seem to be a very good idea to drink urine that's gone off. But that's just my take on it.

Also, I might be wrong here though but just I never heard of it anywhere, for ingesting it, I never heard about anything than fresh urine being used, but as I said, maybe somebody out there does use it, it just doesn't seem to be all that common for internal treatment.

There are actually a few instances where somebody elses urine is used for medical purposes, but the uses are all external, fresh urine was used to sterilize wounds if no alcohol or other sterilization was available, or water to clean the wound, like on battlefields. Now if I'd be in an extreme situation like this, I'd be willing to run the risk of a stranger peeing over an open wound, but if I have to have surgery, I'd much rather prefer the doctor would use iodine instead of urine...

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RE: watersports safety - 5/7/2009 7:20:18 AM

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When I want to do 'Aged Urine Therapy', I store Master's urine in an airtight container until it turns dark. I have never done boiled urine therapy because, to be honest, it squicks me to think of having piss in one of my pans, and then later cooking the carrots in the same pan. I know it's illogical, sorry, I can't help it.
I have never heard of drinking anything but relitively fresh urine, either. By relitively fresh, I mean, I know many practioners keep a pitcher in the fridge and use early morning urine all day, but, I still think that would qualify as 'fresh'. Some who are very into auto-urine therapy practice 'everything before noon', but, from my research, of those who drink thier own urine daily, 8 to 16 ozs a day seems about average. (I do not drink urine daily, btw, but i find the fact that there are many Yoga practinors who do so, and many doctors who say there is no benifit, but, conversely, no harm; very reassuring to the general practice of watersports.)

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RE: watersports safety - 5/7/2009 8:12:00 AM

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The airtight container is possibly also not stored in direct sunlight, I would assume, and well, keeping it in the fridge also stops germs from spreading like crazy, so yes, that would count as relatively fresh.

A lot of cultures use urine therapy, I never tried as I have a bit of a "yuck" factor going on but from everything I've heard it's quite effective, but again, usually people do tend to use their own urine (your case is possibly slightly different but I would assume you know your master rather well) which minimizes the danger quite a lot. I don't think that watersports is a very high risk activity, provided the person giving the urine is healthy and not on drugs (prescription or recreational), but I balk a little bit when it comes to the general belief that it's absolutely risk free and it's a good idea to partake in it without knowing anything about your partner...

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