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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:56:32 PM   
QuixoticErrant


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In any D/s relationship there are still well negotiated boundaries.

If this is something that you actually crave, but can't admit, and she senses that, it is one thing.  If it is not, hard limits are hard limits. To hell with her and tell her to go to hell and find another Domme. 

I have had 100% straight submissives before.  I would never force them to go against their nature.  It would be a large message that I do not care for them.


   "Don't compromise yourself....you're all you've got" - Janis Joplin.  D/s comes and goes and what you do, you will have to live with.


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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 4:56:34 PM   
sensura


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Status: offline 		Your Mistress isnt being fair. You cannot force someone to do what they do not want to do or are ready for. If you dont want it then keep telling her that, she needs to realize and respect your limits. Dont worry about the erection she has been conditioning you so I think thats natural. No one can just turn gay or bi on a whim or a demand, it has to be who you truly are. Usually as in my case you realize your bi/gay in your teens.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 5:02:24 PM   
LookieNoNookie


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I just came home from the gym and had a humiliating experience! A Domme I had recently been playing with had asked me if i would ever be willing to do a bi scene, and i replied that i would rather not. She was very persistant in telling me how much that would turn her on. i still denied, however she started using various schemes as a form of punishment for me. They included watching gay porn and bringing myself to orgasm while watching or looking at various magazines. If I didnt do as she said I was severly punished. Well to make a long story short I got done working out and was in the shower and i became erect looking at other men and was humiliated! Do you believe that people can be brainwashed ? Just curious


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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 5:08:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QuixoticErrant

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i never wanted to get an erection today...it was an accident! Thats all ive known for the past monthes...my only way for release so when i saw it or many of them in person ..it just happened!


Yes, exactly. Your Domme has conditioned you to have this response. Therefore your body is being obedient to her will, when this happens. So then why are you so upset about it? You do not wish to be obedient to her?


Ummmm... he is not a dog.  Don't fuck with his head like that.  If he is not into it he isn't.  If he is bi-curious, but not ready to go there yet, it is not for her to decide on something that big by trying to force him.  The out and out cruelty and lack of caring of some Dommes never ceases to astonish me.  Yes I know, the image is that you are the worst bitch ever.  Even that has boundaries.  He should tell her to go to hell - and you too.



I never called him a dog, and I never said anything here to warrant a nasty response from you. Name calling is against the TOS, FYI.

The OP is a consenting adult. He participated willingly in the conditioning activities, and now seems upset with the result. I was simply pointing out to him that his body's response was what his Domme would presumably have wanted.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 5:11:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		NO you did not call him a dog.  However, you know about operant conditioning and Pavlov.  Please do not play dumb about the point I was making.  He is not a dog to be conditioned in that manner.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 5:14:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		My oppinion, everyone is bisexual to begin with, it is only later they decide otherwise. That later might be due to experience or even maturity, maturity in that they have gone past that time their body demands that they must try different things.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 5:29:45 PM   
QuixoticErrant


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

My oppinion, everyone is bisexual to begin with, it is only later they decide otherwise. That later might be due to experience or even maturity, maturity in that they have gone past that time their body demands that they must try different things.


Respectfully, I have never wanted to be with a man.  I have never been curious about it.  I have never given the possibility any thought.  If I did swing that way, I would not be ashamed, but the fact is that I do not and I never have.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 6:30:01 PM   
iSyllogism


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Status: offline 		It is possible for a guy to get an erection at nearly any time, more or less randomly.

And if it happened while you were thinking about a woman who turns you on quite a bit, is it really so random? Never gotten a hardon at a not-so-appropriate time before?

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 6:40:33 PM   
MissSepphora1


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Status: offline 		I have never been sexually attracted to a woman ie met a woman I wanted to have sex with.
I have found women attractive, but not sexually.
So I'm wondering what all you Kinseyians who want to say everyone is bi think of someone like me.

edited to add - I agree the Domme is being cruel. 

< Message edited by MissSepphora1 -- 2/12/2009 6:43:51 PM >

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 6:50:30 PM   
Chrisdeb7478


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Status: offline 		I think guys can get hard with any random passing thoughts in head. Honestly if being made jerk off to gay porn bugs you so much find a new Domme, 

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 7:28:32 PM   
erebus


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Status: offline 		The drive for sex trumps the distinction between men and women.  Look at what happens in prison.  Het men have sex with other men all of the time, yet once they get out, they are heterosexual again.

Let's face facts.  Your obedience to your Owner has probably transferred a bit to your attraction to whatever gender she wants you to explore. 

I don't find this a deal-breaker, since you are not permanently changed.  I'd go with the flow, so to speak.  You might like it, and you'll at least avoid serious punishment from your Domme.

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 8:45:59 PM   
antipode


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Do you believe that people can be brainwashed ?


Nah, not in the shower

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 8:49:29 PM   
Amaros


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Status: offline 		I get an erection when the dog jumps into my lap if I happen to be feeling horny.


Well, he does have those pretty Brown eyes...

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 8:56:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to start a fetish called "being forced straight".
 any takers?

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 9:25:14 PM   
QuixoticErrant


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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I am going to start a fetish called "being forced straight".
 any takers?


That is funny

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 9:28:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: QuixoticErrant

Ummmm... he is not a dog.  Don't fuck with his head like that.  If he is not into it he isn't.  If he is bi-curious, but not ready to go there yet, it is not for her to decide on something that big by trying to force him.  The out and out cruelty and lack of caring of some Dommes never ceases to astonish me.  Yes I know, the image is that you are the worst bitch ever.  Even that has boundaries.  He should tell her to go to hell - and you too.



THANK YOU !!I was wondering when someone would say it...to hell with her if she can't respect your limits and then of course the responses are...well there must be some gay in you.Bull crap. This is my advice:'Make what your heart instructs,
and don't let anyone persuade you
to compromise with your own truth.'  
                      --Clive Barker I started a thread on the mistress side and before I could believe it, posters were putting up the "repressed gay, forced bi" stuff was being the meaning of my post...it made for great discussion. It turns my Sir and I on to have a male sub suck Sir's cock.  But he must be willing, never forced.  The male sub must also be open to verbal humiliation.  My Sir respects boundaries/limits to the max.  If the male sub has any limits on either one, its over.My Sir does NOT believe in forcing anyone into any type of submission unless willing. Just because a heterosexual man will suck a cock does not mean he is gay or bi.Just because my Sir has a male sub suck his cock it doesn't mean he is bi or gay. So what    QuixoticErrant  says. . . . TOTALLY ROCKS !!
 

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/12/2009 9:32:34 PM   
Amaros


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Status: offline 		Go ahead, try to resist my dog...

http://img255.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=03328_Milo_122_370lo.jpeg

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/13/2009 12:51:49 AM   
QuixoticErrant


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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Go ahead, try to resist my dog...

http://img255.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=03328_Milo_122_370lo.jpeg



OK he is adorable!

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/13/2009 2:13:25 AM   
QuixoticErrant


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ORIGINAL: QuixoticErrant

Ummmm... he is not a dog.  Don't fuck with his head like that.  If he is not into it he isn't.  If he is bi-curious, but not ready to go there yet, it is not for her to decide on something that big by trying to force him.  The out and out cruelty and lack of caring of some Dommes never ceases to astonish me.  Yes I know, the image is that you are the worst bitch ever.  Even that has boundaries.  He should tell her to go to hell - and you too.



THANK YOU !!I was wondering when someone would say it...to hell with her if she can't respect your limits and then of course the responses are...well there must be some gay in you.Bull crap. This is my advice:'Make what your heart instructs,
and don't let anyone persuade you
to compromise with your own truth.'  
                     --Clive Barker I started a thread on the mistress side and before I could believe it, posters were putting up the "repressed gay, forced bi" stuff was being the meaning of my post...it made for great discussion. It turns my Sir and I on to have a male sub suck Sir's cock.  But he must be willing, never forced.  The male sub must also be open to verbal humiliation.  My Sir respects boundaries/limits to the max.  If the male sub has any limits on either one, its over.My Sir does NOT believe in forcing anyone into any type of submission unless willing. Just because a heterosexual man will suck a cock does not mean he is gay or bi.Just because my Sir has a male sub suck his cock it doesn't mean he is bi or gay. So what    QuixoticErrant  says. . . . TOTALLY ROCKS !!
 


Thank you very much....  I appreciate being appreciated!

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RE: forced bi help??? - 2/13/2009 5:29:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

I am going to start a fetish called "being forced straight".
 any takers?


Mia... that thought crossed my mind too!  LOL

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